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Venezuelan Government To Launch International 9/11 Investigation

Brian | 31.03.2006 05:25

Is this true?

Billionaire philanthropist Jimmy Walter and WTC survivor William Rodriguez this week embarked on a groundbreaking trip to Caracas Venezuela in which they met with with the President of the Assembly and will soon meet with Venezuelan President himself Hugo Chavez in anticipation of an official Venezuelan government investigation into 9/11.

Venezuelan Government To Launch International 9/11 Investigation
Truth crusaders Walter and Rodriguez to appear on Hugo Chavez's weekly TV broadcast

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | March 31 2006

Billionaire philanthropist Jimmy Walter and WTC survivor William Rodriguez this week embarked on a groundbreaking trip to Caracas Venezuela in which they met with with the President of the Assembly and will soon meet with Venezuelan President himself Hugo Chavez in anticipation of an official Venezuelan government investigation into 9/11.

Rodriguez was the last survivor pulled from the rubble of the north tower of the WTC, and was responsible for all stairwells within the tower. Rodriguez represented family members of 9/11 victims and testified to the 9/11 Commission that bombs were in the north tower but his statements were completely omitted from the official record.

Jimmy Walter has been at the forefront of a world tour to raise awareness about 9/11 and has still yet to receive any response to his million dollar challenge in which he offers a $1 million reward for proof that the trade towers' steel structure was broken apart without explosives.

Rodriguez said that he was told an FBI agent had asked the hotel him and Walter were staying in turn over a list of names of residents. Upon hearing this, the National Assembly provided armed military protection for the entirety of the trip. In addition, Walters said that CIA agents were seen surveilling the beach on which he and Rodriguez had handed out free DVD's a day earlier.

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 http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/310306launchinvestigation.htm

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Kerching!

31.03.2006 07:44

You on a sales comission for spamming IMC UK with pidgeonplanet links???

M


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With friends like that...

31.03.2006 09:11

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Soccer USA

31.03.2006 11:35

Friends like who Pickles ? Soccer mom's like Condi Rice ?

Worth bearing in mind Venezuala might not be the greatest footballing nation, but they have grasped the rules a bit better than the US.

Winess the US army playing football with the severed head of an Iraqi - that is a clear breach of FIFA guidelines. And shooting the foot off an opposing player, while not specifically outlawed in the rule book, is hardly good sportsmanship.

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4859948.stm
Josh Key was speaking before Canada's refugee board hearing his asylum plea. Among the incidents, he described soldiers kicking the severed head of an Iraqi like a football in Ramadi. Mr Key served as an explosives expert in Iraq for eight months, and deserted to Canada with his family in 2004. He faces a court martial back in the US. The soldier, 27, also told Canada's refugee board he saw a US army squad leader shooting the foot off an unarmed Iraqi man.

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Could the witness please answer the prosecution's question.

31.03.2006 14:41

pele : The observation was intended to underline the fact that Chavez isn't exactly Ghandi and a dubious character reference. His vague endorsement of some conspiraloon theory should also be seen withing the context of the mutual emnity of Chavez & the Bush administration.

The fact, that the US has a very poor human rights record itself doesn't give Chavez any moral high ground at all. How about Iran re-opening the Warren Report, would tha be newsworthy too? Or North Korea investiging 'Peerages for Sale', that seem like a worthwile scenario?

How about we get convicted sex offenders to act as state prosecutors on paedophilia cases?

Apart from that, what can Chavez actually achieve? Nothing! He has no invesgative or jurisdictional powers in the U.S. Are the U.S. going to send a defence team and witnesses to answer to an investigation instigated by a conspiraloon? What would the point be in partcipating in a sham. Chavez is just point scoring. Jones is just selling DVDs and books. This is just more Bush baiting and no serious endeavour.

Why has no-one picked up the $1m reward. Because you can't, it's an impossible proof. The person offreing the money is not going to accept any other version of events. Again, no serious endeavour.

Anything to add that is relevent to the matter or is slagging off the U.S. your only line of reasoning?


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Re: Your Disinfo

31.03.2006 18:33

"The observation was intended to underline the fact that Chavez isn't exactly Ghandi and a dubious character reference. "

Most of what you believe you know about the man is due to intense US Propaganda. The group Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (www.fair.org) recently exposed many of the myths & lies fed to the public about this man who threatens to expose the world to a viable alternative to Hyper-Corporate Capitalist Communism.

"The fact, that the US has a very poor human rights record itself doesn't give Chavez any moral high ground at all."

This isn't a question of morals. It's a question of the fact that the criminal Bush/PNAC Regime has been incapable, in over four years, of producing the still-missing compelling and independently-originating evidence which would exist if their "Let us slaughter Arabs with impunity" Conspiracy Theory were true.

If it existed at all, these LIARS would have held it out long ago, saying "Told ya so!".

"How about Iran ..."

That's Disinformation, which exposes the intellectual emptiness of your position, as well as raising questions about your purpose here.

"Apart from that, what can Chavez actually achieve?"

Who knows? I guess we'll have to wait and see, so long as the US military excercises off his coastline, intended as a bit of muscle-flexing, doesn't turn into another US coup attempt in Venezuela ...






911 = PNAC, CIA, Mossad


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Jordan

31.03.2006 19:28

Only a outright idiot or lunatic would expect a man like Chavez (follow the HRW link and read!) to have any serious objective interest in this matter. Chavez is a thug. The U.S. hate him. He hates the U.S. That really sound like an objective stance?

How can openly ridiculous conjecture be "disinformation"... If you were autistic I could see your point on not grasping the finer poins of abstract concepts such as irony and sarcasm.

So every foreign journalist who has reported bullying at the hands of Chavez' henchmen is a plant. LMFAO!

This has to be the lamest piece of dross posted on pidgeonplanet in a good six months! And you sir, Jordan "spookcatcher" Thornton are a PROVEN LIAR, so you shouldn't really be throwing stones in your glass house now.

You surpass yourself in the defence of nutty nonsense with this one.

Reclaim the tinfoil revolution!

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Alex Jones: nutty LIAR!

31.03.2006 20:16

A Spook


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HRW as provocateur: human rights or anti-Venezuela?

31.03.2006 23:52

I see the trolls are out in force. Low on information, high on shrill vituperation

HRW, funded by George Soros, is a known Chavez hate site.

as for Chavez:

'As far as I know, Mr Chavez is not “strongly anti-US” as you write. He certainly is strongly anti-US Bush government. You will agree with me that there is quite a difference, won’t you? As a matter of fact, he has many friends and admirers in the United States where in many sectors of the population his popularity is much higher than Mr Bush’s. This might also depend on Venezuela’s Government’s help to poor US communities with, for example, providing cheap oil. Didn’t you know that?'
 http://www.thecatsdream.com/blog/2005/11/chavez-and-bbc.htm

One figure at HRW is Jose Miguel Vivanco:

 http://blogs.salon.com/0001330/2004/07/01.html

'Has Human Rights Watch Joined Venezuela’s Opposition?

Friday, Jun 18, 2004 Print format
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By: Gregory Wilpert – Venezuelanalysis.com

It looks like the cat is out of the bag: Human Rights Watch has formally joined Venezuela’s opposition. Well, not quite; it is not a formally consummated deal yet, since their latest report does appeal to President Chavez by saying, “the criticisms offered [in the report] [should] not be mischaracterized as a partisan attack.”

Then why has just about everyone who supports the Chavez government taken the latest Human Rights Watch (HRW) report on Venezuela, about the country’s “Judicial Independence under Siege,” as precisely the opposite of what HRW says it is, as a “partisan attack”? Is it because they do not want to deal with the real issues, as HRW’s America’s Director José Miguel Vivanco suggests, or is it because the report actually is a partisan attack – one that is being launched just in time to turn national and international public opinion against the Chavez government as it faces an unprecedented recall referendum a mere two months from now?

...

A response by the Venezuela’s Foreign Minister, Jesus Perez echoes this sentiment, when he says, “the preemptory and prepotent tone with which Vivanco attempts to give instructions to the Supreme Tribunal of Justice translates into an exalted and grandiloquent attitude that hardly accords with his condition as foreign observer of our national reality. Since he did not come to our country to dialogue, but rather to utter baseless accusations, Vivanco cheapens his organization…”
 http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1200

HRW's Vivanco: a provocateur:
 http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=1293


Human Rights Botch: Vivanco and Venezuela;
 http://narcosphere.narconews.com/story/2004/6/17/15422/6410

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Re: Spook Droppings

01.04.2006 00:48

Yet you haven't addressed the subject here. That, you see, is DISINFORMATION.

Nor is Jones the subject, though I'd care to bet that the sites listed have a history of LYING themselves. You're just shooting the messenger.

Again:

"The observation was intended to underline the fact that Chavez isn't exactly Ghandi and a dubious character reference. "

Most of what you believe you know about the man is due to intense US Propaganda. The group Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (www.fair.org) recently exposed many of the myths & lies fed to the public about this man who threatens to expose the world to a viable alternative to Hyper-Corporate Capitalist Communism.

"The fact, that the US has a very poor human rights record itself doesn't give Chavez any moral high ground at all."

This isn't a question of morals. It's a question of the fact that the criminal Bush/PNAC Regime has been incapable, in over four years, of producing the still-missing compelling and independently-originating evidence which would exist if their "Let us slaughter Arabs with impunity" Conspiracy Theory were true.

If it existed at all, these LIARS would have held it out long ago, saying "Told ya so!".

"How about Iran ..."

That's Disinformation, which exposes the intellectual emptiness of your position, as well as raising questions about your purpose here.

"Apart from that, what can Chavez actually achieve?"

Who knows? I guess we'll have to wait and see, so long as the US military excercises off his coastline, intended as a bit of muscle-flexing, doesn't turn into another US coup attempt in Venezuela ...

Perhaps he'll provide a foundation that will blow the Cover-Up wide open, and hopefully, we'll discover who the real enemy is - since Bush/PNAC can't seem to find anyone.

911 = PNAC, CIA, Mossad


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EAZY $$$ - work from home - Apologists PR needed !!!!

01.04.2006 00:52

This is just for M / Judge Pickles / Whatever, feel free to hide it as they will read it anyway.

Your pronounced use of your own invented terms ( 'conspiracyloon') and regular use of relatively rare terms 'Readers Digest Book of the Internet' terms around here - LMFAO etc, your generally poor and biased level of logic whenveer it fits with establishment opinion does make you more recognisable than most. Your posting pattern and grammar is remarkably unique too, amongst other many things I'll not mention.

So why are you posting under multiple names 'M' ? Has someone been pretending to be you and publicising discrediting posts ? Or has noone else stooped to your tactics ?

I don't want anyone smarter taking your job here, I don't want your bosses to win there war so I don't want to discredit you too obviously, perhaps you are even trying to be as incompetent as you can. To be kind to you, so as not to embarrass you in front of your employers, I'll strip away the most shameful of your rhetortic and only respond to what might be confused with genuine concerns. M/Pickles, you see I only adopted pseudonyms here because you were posting false and discrediting posts under my name - you do it by course, by nature, and you did it before you forced me to assume nom de plumes simply out of strategy. You have lost every argument you have ever had with me - that doesn't make me proud, you have lost every argument who was bored enough to respond to your continual trolling under your various names.


'The fact, that the US has a very poor human rights record itself doesn't give Chavez any moral high ground at all.'

That is certainly an important truth, wielded in the hands on a liar it remains true- but it does mean if you were to suddenly quote HRW you would be steeping in your own shit.

'Only a outright idiot or lunatic would expect a man like Chavez (follow the HRW link and read!) to have any serious objective interest in this matter. Chavez is a thug. The U.S. hate him. He hates the U.S. That really sound like an objective stance?'

Don't worry, when you fail to exceed my low expectations of you you only disappoint me more by limiting my arguments so obviously. Unfortunately for you, I understand the Propaganda Model after all, while you have the training of your avergae call-centre monkey. '1) If dissendent says this, say that' You are not MI5, you are a glorified cold-caller. 'Hello Sir, we are in your area tionight and we want to brainwash you in favour of more genocides for oil - our salesman has a free sample'. I can't see why if IM acccept your obvious PRopaganda they don't accept every political parties 'comment'.

You hate Chavez for being a socialist. I hate Chavez for being a 'leader'. Of course Chavez hasn't genocided anyone - unlike your employers, whose babies you would have if you only could..

'How can openly ridiculous conjecture be "disinformation"'

Why do you think people still SPAM other people ? Even crass, obvious advertising works. If stupid or inattentive people read your posts next to the serious posts you deface, they might think they had seen a genuine range of opinions without checking on the facts for themselves, assuming they are able to check on the facts at all given you and your colleagues misinformation /memoryhole campaign. That's the exact same moral, intellectual and humane failure as your PRofession. But it pays your bills.

'So every foreign journalist who has reported bullying at the hands of Chavez' henchmen is a plant. LMFAO!'

You laugh at those who believe Chavez while your every post urges trust in Blair and Bush ? Disappointing even for you. I don't laugh at those who cheerlead Bush and Blair though.

You will be dead in a hundred years, no matter what you currently earn it won't help then. I will be dead quite sooner than that, big deal. I know from your posts I have achieved more already in my life than you will ever be able to, and though I try not to boast, I sometimes can't help it. You don't boast or fill any identifiable character when you can avoid it - by the book - you've done nothing, you've experienced nothing, you've learnt nothing, just paid to play a character - a few characters. I hope once I am gone you achieve more than than I manage to achieve in my short time, but I am fearful that you won't, you certainly won't if the best you can do is post this consisently pro-genocide PR. Didn't your mother want you to be a doctor once ? Didn't any love in your life make you want to do the right thing over lucre ? I don't know what your uncle did to in the playroom to make you so wasteful of your time on earth, but see when you approach St Peter or whoever, I'll be waiting outside D-locking the gates of heaven to ensure you don't get in. If there isn't a devil or torment awaiting you yet, there will be once you get there.

Danny


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Nicely Put

01.04.2006 03:06

Well said, Danny-boy.

Bravo!

Canadian


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01.04.2006 09:42


Since an admin dedided I had no right to reply. Perhaps a little Chuck Palahniuk and a self-portrait wll be allowed?

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Tyler gets under the one light in the middle of the black concrete basement and he can see that light flickering back out of the dark in a hundred pairs of eyes. First thing Tyler yells is, "The first rule about fight club is you don't talk about fight club.
"The second rule about fight club," Tyler yells, "is you don't talk about fight club."
Me, I knew my dad for about six years, but I don't remember anything. My dad, he starts a new family in a new town about every six years. This isn't so much like a family as it's like he sets up a franchise.
What you see at fight club is a generation of men raised by women.
Tyler standing under the one light in the after-midnight blackness of a basement full of men, Tyler runs through the other rules: two men per fight, one fight at a time, no shoes no shirts, fights go on as long as they have to.
"And the seventh rule," Tyler yells, "is if this is your first night at fight club, you have to fight."
Fight club is not football on television. You aren't watching a bunch of men you don't know halfway around the world beating on each other live by satellite with a two-minute delay, commercials pitching beer every ten minutes, and a pause now for station identification. After you've been to fight club, watching football on television is watching pornography when you could be having great sex.
Fight club gets to be your reason for going to the gym and keeping your hair cut short and cutting your nails. The gyms you go to are crowded with guys trying to look like men, as if being a man means looking the way a sculptor or an art director says.
Like Tyler says, even a snuffle looks pumped.
My father never went to college so it was really important I go to college. After college, I called him long distance and said, now what?
My dad didn't know.
When I got a job and turned twenty-five, long distance, I said, now what? My dad didn't know, so he said, get married.
I'm a thirty-year-old boy, and I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer I need.
What happens at fight club doesn't happen in words. Some guys need a fight every week. This week, Tyler says it's the first fifty guys through the door and that's it. No more.
Last week, I tapped a guy and he and I got on the list for a fight. This guy must've had a bad week, got both my arms behind my head in a full nelson and rammed my face into the concrete floor until my teeth bit open the inside of my cheek and my eye was swollen shut and was bleeding, and after I said, stop, I could look down and there was a print of half my face in blood on the floor.
Tyler stood next to me, both of us looking down at the big O of my mouth with blood all around it and the little slit of my eye staring up at us from the floor, and Tyler says, "Cool."
I shake the guy's hand and say, good fight.
This guy, he says, "How about next week?"

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Let's reverse the scenario

01.04.2006 12:37

Imagine a terrorist incident in Venezuala.

Bush announces a comission to investigate the incident.

Imagine the howls of outrage. What has it got to do with Bush? Yankkkees, keep your nose out.?

Well, what has it got to do with Chavez?

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Sceptic

01.04.2006 14:28

I wouldn't even bother wasting your time with this pair. One blatant liar whose only rebuttal is to call anyone who dares question his hero Aled Jones a spook. Then the other who is bordering on the Oedpidal level of obsession regarding me.

Some admin (a fair idea who now) decides it's okay for that pair to go totally off topic and slur me and make false accusations but I get no right of reply. However, I'm allowed to post total bollocks consisting of a picture of a head wound and a quote from Fight Club.

Ridiculous.

I do hope tha the original post and subsequents comments and censorship are all part of April Fools.

Emma Fife


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RE: Your onion-smelling porridgy twat discharge.

01.04.2006 20:49

Since the admins won't remove your offensive shit, I'll try responding to it (AGAIN!) and see what happens.

The veracity of Alex Jones is 100% relevent to the post (as is the integrity & motives of Chavez) the man makes a living off of producing bullshit DVDs, Books and selling his "non-corporate" broadband (did he lay his own backbone???) The man and his acolytes are a pathetic joke. That's why only the loons and pisstakers go near the guy.

You can't offer any relevant rebuttal so you as per usual stoop to accusations of being a spook. Listen m8, you are just a little cut&paste kiddie. SIS/CIA/FBI couldn't give the limpest fuck about you and that loon Jones.

You assert that some treasonous cabal conspired to mass murder thousands on 9/11. If that were true, do you think they'd blink at killing Jones, Rense et al?

Grow up and stop treating IMC as some playground for your paranoid wank fantasies. And stop calling people "LIARS!" you hypocritical wee shite.

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RE: Your onion-smelling porridgy twat discharge.

01.04.2006 21:25

Since the admins won't remove your offensive shit, I'll try responding to it (AGAIN!) and see what happens.

The veracity of Alex Jones is 100% relevent to the post (as is the integrity & motives of Chavez) the man makes a living off of producing bullshit DVDs, Books and selling his "non-corporate" broadband (did he lay his own backbone???) The man and his acolytes are a pathetic joke. That's why only the loons and pisstakers go near the guy.

You can't offer any relevant rebuttal so you as per usual stoop to accusations of being a spook. Listen m8, you are just a little cut&paste kiddie. SIS/CIA/FBI couldn't give the limpest fuck about you and that loon Jones.

You assert that some treasonous cabal conspired to mass murder thousands on 9/11. If that were true, do you think they'd blink at killing Jones, Rense et al?

Grow up and stop treating IMC as some playground for your paranoid wank fantasies. And stop calling people "LIARS!" you hypocritical wee shite.

MFI


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Re: Spook Droppings

01.04.2006 22:24

"The veracity of Alex Jones is 100% relevent to the post"

Perhaps if these were his assertions, but in this case, he's simply relaying what the media has also disclosed, that Hugo Chavez intends to do what Bush won't, and investigate the disaster that was 9/11. Usually, such investigations are standard after such a tragedy, and Bush's willingness to block any investigation demonstrates that he doesn't want people to know what happened.

"You assert that some treasonous cabal conspired to mass murder thousands on 9/11."

Certainly. The fact that they can't support their Conspiracy Theory, and that they've Conspired to slaughter hundreds of thousands since, only strengthens that belief, not to mention the TREASONOUS ACTS they've carried out since, in order to protect their Criminal Conspiracy against Iraq, and the American public.

Why is that harder to grasp than your belief that 20 Arabs carried this out ... ?

This is what these Neo-Fascists and War Criminals, who make up the Bush/PNAC Regime, do. It's been their entire history. It's how they've built their fortunes, and why we're in this giant mess today.


911 = PNAC, CIA, Mossad


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Reply removed again... Jordan the troll's slur still stands.

02.04.2006 06:45

Get a fucking grip! Responsible admin: Come out and discuss this mockery please.

MI5


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02.04.2006 08:36

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/static/editorial.html - discussion, and announcements, happen on imc-uk-features list.

I've not got time to work out the validity of your slanging match - as it's turned plain disruptive I've just hidden it. If someone has the time to sift through the abuse I'm sure they can unhide non-disruptive valid stuff.

Someone with and admin account


Someone with and admin account

02.04.2006 16:49

Cheers for sorting it!

M


I'm Being Followed, Sorry

02.04.2006 22:46

Although the Spook's been rewarded for his Distractions, I fully understand your dilemma and response.

For my part, dear sirs, I apologize.

Please, keep up the great work.

Thanks for allowing me to contribute.

Editors, Keep Close Tabs On This Plant's Activities


More trool activity

03.04.2006 01:00

IMC can log my IP if they like. I can give them refererences from the London scene if they like.

Not believing in ZOG and other conspiraloon pish doesn't make anyone a "plant"... I do suspect that people that do however need to stay away from a certain plan with sticky buds.

Go find another playground for your paranoid fantasies please. You are just a disruptive troll not an "infowarrior".

MI5


even a back can be revealing

03.04.2006 10:43

"I can give them refererences from the London scene if they like."
Which London scene ? I'm not IM of course but I do wish you would email them those details, they may wish to warn that scene about you.

"Not believing in ZOG and other conspiraloon pish doesn't make anyone a "plant""

Certainly that is true. I don't believe discussing 911 is important myself. However, constantly criticising other peoples posts and actions under a variety of pseudonymns without actually contributing any of your own is suspicious, posting discreditble posts under their names is an indicator, and arguing for mandatory police CCTV in everyones homes does prove you to be no friend of freedom.

Police CCTV in every home - I mean really, can you find any activists anywhere on the internet who support that ? Real activists do have something to fear from police surveillance, even if you don't.


Behind Winston's back the voice from the telescreen was still babbling away about pig-iron and the overfulfilment of the Ninth Three-Year Plan. The telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it, moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live -- did live, from habit that became instinct -- in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized. Winston kept his back turned to the telescreen. It was safer, though, as he well knew, even a back can be revealing.

Danny


Danny

03.04.2006 14:37

Boring troll #2

MI5


M, resident troll

03.04.2006 16:47

I'm an anarchist M. What are your politics ?

I'm an activist, I could link to actions on IM I've been arrested on. Can you ?

I'm sometimes critical of other activists posts here but mostly supportive. Unlike you.

I never post defmatory remarks under someone elses name. Unlike you.

I oppose extending police powers. I oppose nationwide CCTV surveillance. I oppose cops putting surviellance cameras in peoples homes. Unlike you.

And yet without supporting evidence you say I am the troll. Care to justify that ?

Danny


Danny the liar.

04.04.2006 09:20

I'm an anarchist M. What are your politics ?

* I'm an anarchist that doesn't believe in dogma, authoritarianism and believes in consensus. You sure you are a anarchist Danny. You sound more like a trot.
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"I'm an activist, I could link to actions on IM I've been arrested on. Can you ?"

* I wouldn't be so stupid to 'A' be goaded by your fishing for my persoanl details. 'B' to post anything boastful in public.

Oooh, "arrested"! Does that make Ian Huntly your hero??? Plenty of people get "arrested" for a million things Danny. Most of the time it isn't some to be proud of.
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I'm sometimes critical of other activists posts here but mostly supportive. Unlike you.

* Baseless speculation. Just because I think youare wrong about CCTV makes me a "troll", a "plant" a "shill". Funny, sounds more like you have the hump because someone make you doubt yourself... and they didn't have to stoop to completely misquoting you ("Big Brother") to do it.
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I never post defmatory remarks under someone elses name. Unlike you.

* And here comes the lie. I have never posted anything as you. I have only done that toJordan and Jack when they have overstepped the mark themselves. But, perhaps you could persuade me to actually do it ifyou keep accusing me of it. And then you'll know the difference between me doing it and someone else doing it.
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I oppose extending police powers. I oppose nationwide CCTV surveillance. I oppose cops putting surviellance cameras in peoples homes. Unlike you.

* And we get back to lies about what I have said. Post the link to the thread up and let even the semi-literate and anyone that really cares what I think see for themselves your misrepresentation.

I support people being protected the best they can. If that means surveilling a particar locus to gather evidence on spouse & child abusers, I'm 100% for it.Unlike you, who is willing to put people at danger through some ill-thought out kneejerk dogma... but you are pulling this totally off-topic now.

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And yet without supporting evidence you say I am the troll. Care to justify that ?

* The supporting evidence is above Danny. Read em and weep. And keep your editorial issues to the feautures list.

If you don't like my philosophy, counter it on-topic and point-by-point- if you are unable to do that perhaps you should examine your own emotions and where they stem from.

I have a few lines running at Ladbrokes at how long it takes you to start with the threats.

If you have nothing more ON-topic to add, I think that concludes business as far as I am concerned.

MI5


Military 'Intelligence'

04.04.2006 14:14

You claim to be an anti-authoritarian anachist who believes in total police CCTV surveillance "till crime has nowhere left to lurk" including in peoples own homes ? Do you undertsand what the word authoritarian means ? You certainly don't believe in anarchist dogma of any variety, you don't even seem to understand the basics. And since everyone else on that thread was able to criticise police CCTV, you can't really claim to believe in consenus either, certainly not when you have just admitted to trying to create a false consensus by posting fake discrediting posts by other people. And, yes, I know you posted as me too for 5 minutes after I criticised your CCTV stance various defamatory posts appeared under my name on other threads - bit of a coincidence that, I annoy someone who admits to defaming others then it immediately happens to me. And if that wasn't proof evidence enough of your 'contributions' here, you immediately threaten to do it again.

You claim you can't link to any actions you have taken part in out of modesty ? That implies everyone who posts an action here is being vain ! And being prepared to get arrested on an action is something to be proud of, not really similar to being a child-murderer at all. Not only can't you link to any action you have taken part on, you can't even link to a single positive comment you have made about anyone elses actions. Not one single solitary positive comment !

You don't understand anarchy, but you claim to be anarchist. You disrupt here by posting under others names in amongst your constant sniping. You haven't been on an action and think it is vanity that motivates people who do to post here, and if they get arrested they are as bad as Ian Huntly. I'd like to think you are just a keyboard warrior with an overgrown sense of their own opinion, but I don't think you are because you post negative comments too often for that, most real trolls get bored soon enough. The only disruptive elements that put so much time and effort into this level of disruption is someone paid to post here.

Here is the CCTV thread you demanded I link to that you think vindicates you as an anti-authoritarian, consensus building anarchist.
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/03/335022.html?c=on#c143648

As for keeping it on topic, "Kerching! You on a sales comission for spamming IMC UK with pidgeonplanet links???", yup, very informative, great contribution, one of your best posts ever.

Danny


Danny

04.04.2006 16:34

You are making a bigger out of yourself!

"Admits to defaming others" LMAO.

Keep it up you're quite the (againwaaaay off-topic) comedian.

MI5


My VERY last word

04.04.2006 16:40

Danny you really do need to seek medical help. Even a cursory scan of what I say and what you say I say doesn't anywhere near add up. That on top of your lies indicates a very unhealthy state of mind.

Go to your GP and ask to book an appointment with the psychiatric nurse. GPs are pretty rubbish at dealing with mental health issues.

MFI


My VERY last word

04.04.2006 19:01

Danny you really do need to seek medical help. Even a cursory scan of what I say and what you say I say doesn't anywhere near add up. That on top of your lies indicates a very unhealthy state of mind.

Go to your GP and ask to book an appointment with the psychiatric nurse. GPs are pretty rubbish at dealing with mental health issues.

MFI


Re: Your Disinformation

04.04.2006 20:18

Is that supposed to hide the fact that you - nor those you work for - can produce the still-missing, key evidence, which would exist and be forthcoming, if their "Now we HAVE to follow our blueprint for Perpetual War On Arabs!!" Conspiracy Theory were true, over four years after the fact?

911 = PNAC, CIA, Mossad


3 month truce ?

04.04.2006 22:16

How about a three month truce M ? Both of us folow the spirit of the guidelines until summer ? I offered a truce before and you ignored it as it was immediately hidden by a sharp-eyed admin. For the sake of clarity on the wire, I won't comment on any of your posts over the next three months if you stick to one name and refrain from posting under any other. Feel free to have your 911 arguments, I really have no interest. Just don't assume a name that someone else has already used on a thread and point out if you notice others doing this, we are all adult enough to discredit ourselves occassionally without outside help. This isn't a demand of the truce but try and be positive as often as you are critical, these are critical times on many issues.

Ny


Explanation of diectics

05.04.2006 07:48

911 = PNAC, CIA, Mossad (Jordan Thornton) and another either truly believe (scary) ot think it's clever (not) to accuse me of being an agent working for a Zionist conspiacy responsible for 9/11.

Need I say anything more in my defence.

MI5


Ny

05.04.2006 07:54

I don't think there is any *need* for a "truce". I honest to god have never ever posted as you.

If you want to discuss the matter further contact me on my e-mail.

MI5
mail e-mail: prinzerle@hotmail.com


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