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Anti-vivisectionist pushing privatizationist agenda:

Leptin | 06.03.2006 10:33 | Analysis | Animal Liberation | Bio-technology

Anti-vivisectionists are pushing science out of the universities and public space and into governmental and private space.

Science is currently pushing for more free access with the first set of serious, high level "free access" journals (PLoS) in opposition to exorbitant fees for access to information. As the anti vivisectionists successfully push their agenda future work will be undertaken elsewhere and in private - the data collected by that work although valuable will only be in the hands of the corporate sponsors and governmental agencies engaged in getting the data. Creating a secretive world of science is exceptionally dangerous as it will create a ready environment for far more questionable scientific aims than that which already exists. An example of this is genetic engineering whereby corporate sponsors took hold of the technology, we do not wish to see corporate sponsors engaging in pharmaceutical experiments on "social pharmacology", that is the manipulation of group dynamics by drugs. We do not wish to see secretive testing on "pain" and ways to engage and inhibit it. Or secretive testing on biological contaminants and viral infections. These things, however unpleasant should be open to scrutiny.

Consider a current aspect of science already conducted under secrecy. We know that the police do statistical analysis on crowd control and crowd behaviour so as to improve their tactics. You cannot stop them doing such analysis, they would be negligent not to, if such analysis was conducted in the public arena I think we would be much happier, at least we would know as much as they did. This analysis is not, and never will be conducted in the public arena but that is no reason to give authorities and power more excuses to do more in private and abroad.

leptin

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Closing the stable door after the horse has bolted!

06.03.2006 14:12

Nice academic wording! Warning us about something the scientific community have selfishly allowed to happen already and telling us it is in our own interests to make sure it does not happen.
Though you sound like a desperate vivisector who is worried about their career options!
And nice try - the anti coporate angle. Back to the committee for you for rebriefing!
Byeee

Myself


the angle is incisive

06.03.2006 14:56

the horse has not bolted, data is currently available and free. Very little science of note is not available at the moment, the government and police authorities are only just getting a grip on the idea of the power that emerging technologies give people, (not just them). The angle like every cut I make is just right ;o).

leptin


intrinsically left wing

06.03.2006 15:02

Scientists are intrinsically left wing, more often than not supporters of freedom of information, movement, copyleft, freeware fanatics. They may not spend so much time getting involved in society as much as some but they are not the liberal lefts natural enemy, they are also intelligent and well practiced in argueing their case, (as even 'myself' concedes). Engaging in harmonious discourse about funding, the direction of science and it's corporate backing is more likely to engender a beneficial collaborative response than forcing closer collaboration with governmental and private industry.

leptin could be a little less cutting though--

phatty acid


Darnation!

06.03.2006 17:49

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Vivisectionists sometimes enjoy their job.

07.03.2006 11:01

The debate of the last thread saw complaints of there not being a good arguement for vivisection. Well here is one and hey look! All you can come up with is a spell check answer and the complaint that horse has bolted when actually it hasn't! In response to the question of whether I enjoyed my vivisection, the answer is 'no', sorry to disappoint you. I am happy to know how to do basic surgery though, that could come in handy but hopefully not. When I did a good job I was pleased with it, I would do the work again. Perhaps you want to liken me to a Nazi again. Many scientific experiments were conducted on people after the WW2 which only recently came out of data protection. They involved groups of random people selected to 'punish' (effectively torture) others etc etc as scientists wanted to know what drove people to the activity that was seen in Germany at that time. The prejudice was that blacks and lower classes would do be more prone to "following suggestions to punish" more than whites and middle classes etc. Actually they found that it had nothing to do with race class or sex, it was actually really really easy to make "any" human undertake authority sanctioned violence. The data was classified for 40 odd years. Nazism was a awful social event rarely an individual one.

Vivisector


for vivisector

07.06.2006 20:28

Vivisector,

what makes you think vivisection made you a good surgeon? don't you know your medical history?

Lawson Tait ring any bells?

If you use can teach yourself how to use Google, you'll find plenty of surgeons who condem vivisection and laugh out loud at the idea that you have to learn surgery by "practising" on animals.

Darren