Dawson seems particularly prone to being hospitalised while delivering leaflets for the BNP. Two years ago, he had his fingers chewed by a collie while pushing some fascist rubbish through a letterbox (GOOD dog) and spent six and a half hours in Accident and Emergency.

I'll try not to laugh...

"Trevor Dawson has been attacked and hospitalised while distributing imflamotary leaflets in Pendle Lancashire on friday, The bnp were canvassing anti muslim leaflets using the controversial Danish cartoons to stirr up anti muslim feelings, many bnp canvassing teams are unhappy distributing the leaflets and are refusing to give them out."

You haven't said why the leaflets were inflamatory.

You haven't said why the leaflets were anti-muslim.

The cartoons were only seen as controversial by islamic extremists. Have you seen the cartoons? They are about as offensive as a Ronnie Barker sketch.

The 12 Dutch cartoons do not have the power to stir up anti-muslim feeling. Most Brits would not even understand half of them, and at least two them are POSITIVE about Mohammed, not critical at all.

What is your source for the assertion that bnp members don't want to give them out?

Nobody in their right mind would want to give them out in an area where muslims lived because so many of them (maybe as high as 40%) support the imposition of sharia law (see link). This is a strong indicator for the likelihood of violence.

 http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2006/Sunday%20Telegraph%20-%20Mulims%20Feb/Sunday%20Telegraph%20Muslims%20feb06.asp

If you are going to criticise the bnp why don't you concentrate on their politics rather than this infantile Ha-ha-one-of-them-got-beaten-up rubbish.

for lots of us, one of them getting hospitalised is something to smile about.

Is there any chance we could make more of the canvassing teams' discontent - ie is it a political issue they have, or less promisingly, is it simple fear of not being welcome in the areas they are leafletting?

If you believe in free speech you should allow this - alas you clearly don't believe in it - I do hope the police arrest you ands lock you up for assault - but will they - I very much doubt it as they can't even be bothered to prosecure child molesters either
what a waste of space and time continnua the top bods in Britain's lackadasical police forces are

'nuff said

Prosecute child-molestors? Hardly a week goes by without some BNP nonce coming under the spotlight. Sure there are plenty more out there though. Meanwhile a local anti-paedophile group in Saltdean are closing in on the BPP's kiddy-fiddler in chief.

So if they'd been beaten up by some white guys that would be OK? I don't think anyone on here is advocating Islam.

Of course the BPP (or some other far right group) should go around being beaten senseless for distributing insulting material. It gives then the sense of the myth of Evilislam(tm) being true. To promote this myth further they should do it in areas with a reasonably high proportion of Evilislam(tm) folks. Then they can trawl places like Indymedia calling for Komrades (with a K, to be faux-rebellious) to be outraged that Evilislam(tm) can also be Fascistislam(tm).

Frankly the Fascist Trawlers would be better employed draining the sewer they inhabit. The only future for Fascism (and their apologists) is a future in which they create increasingly bizzare, frightened little worlds to inhabit. I find it bizzare that no BNP or BPP member has actually had the "testicular fortitude" (it could be a Watmough quote, who knows) to actually originate some genuinely racist material. I mean, if Old One Eye Griffin can fail to be found guilty of incitement, then the whole cause of the Right is lost.

The constant carping that the Left should stop wishing for what they want is a sad and cowardly attempt to wag the big finger at the little man. It works when you respect Big Men with Big Guns and Big Names without question. It gets tedious when all that ever gets uttered is, "be careful what you wish for it might come true". You go and insult muslims with crass out of date pictures and you are going to get slapped - simple as. It's not a worldwide conspiracy. Its not Islamofacism(tm) its people being pissed with bullies and thugs.

So I'm going to be careful about wishing Fascists of all brandnames will just vanish up their respective arses. If Fascists get beaten it's because they asked for it. In the best tradition of the rape myth - they dressed like they wanted it - they acted like they wanted it and now that it happens they want to be defended. They act like they want to be defended - they dress like they want to be defended - then when it happens they want to be attacked. Unlike genuine rape victims, Fascists pursue this as a game.

So at full moon I'll be whipping out some old Hammer Horror Props and wishing that all Fascists ascend to Fascist Heaven where they can be terrified to leave their cloud for the 72 Dusky eyed Valkyries just across the road. Anybody wishing to join me just look at the sky - when the moon is full fascists can't hide in the shadows at night. They hate that.

Anybody thinking this post degenerated into a cheap pisstake wouldn't be far wrong. Because it actually reflects what I'm wishing for. Laughing Fascism out of existence.
And if anybody has some old Hammer Horror Props... ...let us know how you get on.

>Muslims fought for hitler

And for the British Army and for the Soviets and for the Chinese against the fascists, while the Stern gang tried to make alliances with the Nazis. Stop trying to repaint WWII as a crusade or Jihad, it wasn't, and stop misrepresenting facts in the hope of starting another world war. A lifelong socialist and you haven't conquered your own racism yet ? Living proof it's not only the young who foolishly forget the lessons of history. Still, maybe its just your age, try doing some crosswords or something to exercise your brain, better yet try reading some history, it might delay the onset of this selective memory you are obviously suffering from.

The Price of Free Speech
05.03.2006 21:13

Of course the BPP (or some other far right group) should go around being beaten senseless for distributing insulting material....(snip)...Laughing Fascism out of existence.
And if anybody has some old Hammer Horror Props... ...let us know how you get on.

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This is more like it! At least you're trying to have a laugh.

Nationalism is doing pretty well all over the globe and in Europe it hasn't been stronger for decades. And what are you going to do about it? You are going to 'laugh' the 'fascists' out of existence!! Bravo! That will certainly solve the problem.

The Danish (sorry, I mispoke and said Dutch before) have democratically elected a centre-right government that includes, as key partners, the Danish Peoples Party. The DPP are, I would say, nationalists. Some of the hysterics who post here would probably (wrongly) call them fascists. Nationalist political groupings also seem to be doing pretty well in France and Italy. In all cases these parties have been elected, democratically, by perfectly sensible people. The Social Democrats in Denmark were flabbergasted when they were soundly beaten for a second time. How could people do it when the SDs had been so nice for all those decades?

And what does the Left in the UK have? George Galloway, an intense interest in religious freedom and a burning desire to justify the orthodox tennets of multiculturalism. Why? What's the point of it?? What on Earth was Clare Short doing having a meeting with Hizb ut-Tahrir in the House of Commons??? This embodies the total loss of orientation.

Mr Paypal, when you speak of people "vanishing up their own arses" it is in fact most of the current UK internationalist Left groupings who have achieved this contortion. But don't let me stop you laughing.

"Calling these people murderers, paedos, drunkards and Nazis...is abuse."

Not when it's true.

Notice how there's always someone on Indymedia apologising for fascists, telling us they're "irrelevent", that they should be ignored, while denigrating anti-fascists.

>Not when it's true.

True, but it risks mixing up issues. Once someone is identified as a fascist then any extra personality flaws are redundant. Fascist is worse than paedophile. I'd hate either, but I'd rather my neice was raped than slaughtered for the colour of her skin or her religious beliefs. That was an awful thing to have to evaluate. I know for a fact that there are rapists and paedophiles in the peace movement, it is inevitable and beyond dispute - we are the majority after all. The fact that anyone who supports an authoritarian, abusive and perverse ideology is far likelier to abuse the powerless around them should be studied and propagandised, but it doesn't mean we ourselves are free from such tendencies. If I hadn't realised that I myself am a potential rapist them I may well have raped by now, just admitting it to myself helps me avoid it. Just before the war there was a concerted effort to smear a few important players in the anti-war movement as paedos. For this reason alone I would suggest it is important to ensure that as many positions of responsibilty/respect in anti-establishment movements are filled by women. And indeed this seems to be the case - men generally make war, women generally make peace, men generally abuse children, women generally care for them. Facts we should acknowledge and reflect.

>Notice how there's always someone on Indymedia apologising for fascists, telling us they're "irrelevent", that they should be ignored, while denigrating anti-fascists.

Many of them are fascists, some of them are agents of the state, some of them are just lonely bored trolls. All of them are obvious but it is good that you point them out, keep up the good work.

Abuse?
06.03.2006 11:39

"Calling these people murderers, paedos, drunkards and Nazis...is abuse."

Not when it's true...
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Ok. Not when it is true.

And when is it true?

Consider the information on this BBC web site re: the BNP.

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/frontpage/4519347.stm

The salient point here is that they got 0.74% of the UK vote in the 2005 General Election. Got that?

0.74%

So what exactly is all the fuss about? Doesn't it strike you as a bit odd?

However the UK has an (excessively) large population so even this tiny percentage translates as a lot of human beings.

In Barking where they scored their best result they got 4,916 votes. Are you seriously suggesting that all their voters were "murderers, paedos, drunkards and Nazis"?

Have you ever spoken to BNP voters? I have, a few. They're not monsters. They have just had enough and they feel betrayed. And you know what? So do I. I think their nationalism derives from a simple wish that their country should care about them.

The organised Left is not making any serious attempt to answer the issues that these people are raising. They either ignore them or hurl abuse along the "murderers, paedos, drunkards and Nazis" lines.

This matters because none of the mainstream parties are prepared to seriously debate these points. They just go into 'sanctimonious' mode and preach the orthodoxy.