Ummm - why is this particularly stupid? You may not agree with the aims of the demonstration (I don't) but they are just demonstrating to put across their point of view.

Instead of calling them stupid, animal rights protestors might want to examine why their tactics have so alienated vast swathes of Oxford students - at least some of whom could probably have been natural allies.

Matt

"I'm gonna go and take pictures of them all for future reference"

Are you an animal rights activist or a secret policeman? Or both?

Just wondering...

It's interesting how this "PRO TEST" group are not calling themselves PRO VIVISECTION OR PRO ANIMAL EXPERIMENTATION even though that would be an accurate discription of their vivisectionist postion."PRO TEST" is a serious noble euphemism which aurafully implies that the individual gendered primates and other species will be sitting down and doing an exam after signing in at the register and will not be caged,brain damaged,mutilated,electricuted or electroejaculated and physically and mentally killed by grant extorting priests of the new religion, "science".

Their vivisectionist patrons are the research defence society(profits from and represents vivisectors,animal breeders,chemical and drug industry) and other university educated vivisectionist robots and an "honest" BBC appearing MP Doctor(legal drug dealer) who's trained in the vivisectionist mentality in drug,chemical industry funded universitys and who's financial influence rely's upon dealing out adverse reacting vaccines,drugs all fraudulently passed as "safe" through the religious ritual of animal experimentation.


Any one heard of Baby Fae or Hollie Roffrey or the individual black people who were experimented(injected with diseases and made to suffer) upon and Kids in hospitals who were experimented upon and killed in usa and british hospitals by the "researchers" trying out toxic drugs that destroyed their kidneys.(without their consent)
In mentals institutions men and women were tortured by "researchers" who implanted electrodes in their brains and electricuted them repeatitly which was done on the pretext of "im trying to save your life".

There's a whole history of sadistic experimentation on human beings well before hitler,by the very same noble "researchers" who previously and continue to, torment,electricute,poison,mutilate individual primates,mice,dogs and others.

These violent life hating practices can only continue through noble euphemisms like "study", "research","biomedical research".

I don't think that the animal rights protesters actions have alienated the potential student allies. I think it's more like the media interpretation and hype of certain acts which in all likelyhood the students will perform the opposite of tommorow. Remember the countryside alliance protests in Brighton when pro hunters dumped dead animals in the streets to make thier point? Well that all seems to be forgoten now.

We are dealing with brainwashed people who can't see past thier own inbred noses here. It's a rugby supporter mentality which needs to be wiped out so people can once more think for themselves.

These people are stoopid and it was sombody calling me stoopid a long time ago that made me rethink my views of the world and wise up, keeping my nose, instead of just continuing to be stoopid in spite of the acuser.

If these people don't sit up and listen when I call them stoopid, and don't think about it, and just dismiss me, then sadly they have proved me right.

jools.

A complex argument made simple by simpletons on the left who are really often just thugs.

The direct action idiots have ruined the credibility of those who oppose testing with thier ego fuelled antics.

Some of the comments we see here and doubtless many to follow show why the antis have an uphill struggle.

Many of the antis arguments are sound, but it is often hard to hear them because of all the Carla Lane gone postal idiots who appear often to have forgotten what they are trying to achive and have let means begat ends.

There was an artcile about PRO Test in todays Grauniard - seems the 'organisation' is just one geeky Billy No-mates 16 year old sitting alone in his bedroom, living on a diet of pot noodles and fizzy pop that his mum brings up to him whilst he spends 16 hours a day feverishly typing away and maintaining his webshite in between squeezing his pimples.

And the high profile 'respected' 'scientists' of the pro-vivisection lobby 'applaud' his efforts and are quite happy for this sad little social inadequate put himself and his family into the 'frontline' as cannon fodder whilst they hide away like the bullying coawrds that they are.

Indymedia is going down the drain, it has been taken over by fascist liberalists, who force their bizzar
idears of universal equality down on us. They embrace sodomy, animal rights, immigration, abortion and PC language! Whatever happened to world hunger, demilitarisation, climate change, and above all common sense!
And since when can you graffiti a bridge to use as your webite banner? That is an eyesore! No doubt that indymedia was well intentioned, but it has gone down the drain, I'm thinking of removing that stupid banner for that bridge!

Sorry Fred, I think you'll find the BNP talkboard is elsewhere...

So what is "common sense" Fred,that which conforms to your views and those that don't are "nonsense". This is an animal liberation forum if u can read,there are plenty of other forums of discussion of worthy issues,go there and mute your moaning,i certainly won't miss you.