This demonstration warmed the heart of every red-neck since they can use it to condemn and entire people and religion.
If only they would read. A nice starting point might be "Late Victorian Holocausts" by Mke Davis, explaining and documenting how British Christianity systematically murdered more people in India than Hitler did in Europe.
I'm very confused. When the cartoons were printed everyone jumped up and down quoting Volatire and explaining how free speech is absolute, even if we hate what people are saying.
But evidently that doesn't apply to these protesters. What they say is unacceptable and they should, apparently, be arrested for saying it.
Eh? Have I missed a step? Why the double standard? Why Unrestricted Free Speech For White Folk but No Offensive Muslim Views Allowed?
(and while we're on it, how come Abu Hamza and Omar Bakri get banged up / deported and Nick Bloody Griffin gets off scott free?)
1) Last time I went on an anti-war march, there were thousands of placards that had all been made by the STWC. What's your point?
2) Abu Hamza is still on trial, maybe we should wait for the verdict before spouting off about how unfair it all is.
3) It's very easy to criticise but what's your take? If banners advocating murder are acceptable when made by Muslims, do you think it's OK for the BNP to march on Finsbury Park mosque with signs saying "Behead those who oppose christianity"? Or is freedom of speech only allowed for muslims? You can't criticise Griffin for telling a private meeting what his view of a religion is but happily allow someone else to walk through the streets of London saying he wants to kill people who disagree with him, can you?
4) And why is Indymedia so quiet on the vile anti-semitic cartoons that appear in the Muslim press on a daily basis?
Serious question! It may be that some restrictions on free speech are justified, but if so, let's stop quoting Voltaire all over the shop, set out just what the limits are, and enforce them consistently. Bakri's gone down already, Hamza's in court.. Griffin walks free. Explain that!
You said that the "police didn't arrest anyone because people will think they were racist". People already think the police are racist! Whats your point?. Don't you think the cops would know what will happen when they try and arrest people? It would have made the god-squad types look like victims - now they just look like nutters.. I mean having placards like "Freedom Got to Hell", it sounded like some space hijackers actions "pro-capitalist march" without the irony.
Serious question! It may be that some restrictions on free speech are justified, but if so, let's stop quoting Voltaire all over the shop, set out just what the limits are, and enforce them consistently. Bakri's gone down already, Hamza's in court.. Griffin walks free. Explain tha
1) Griffin walked free AFTER HIS TRIAL FINISHED and the jury cleared him (although he awaits retrail on two counts that no verdict was reached on). Hamza's trial HAS NOT YET FINISHED. If the jury clears him, HE WILL WALK FREE TOO! I'd have hoped a graduate such as yourself would have grasped that concept, but apparently not. Bakri has not "gone down", he was simply told that he wasn't going to be allowed back in the country after he left. He was on Radio 4 this morning so it's not like he has been banned from speaking.
2) I've never quoted Voltaire at anyone.
3) As you well know (and as some other people have pointed out in your indentical repost further up the newswire) there is a world of difference between expressing an opinion of a religion and calling for people to be decapitated. You are obviously aware of this, and your sixth-form attempts at stirring up a hornet's nest that isn't there is frankly rather tedious.
4) You still have answered my query about where you stand on the issue – if you agree that someone has the right to walk down the street calling for beheadings of those who oppose Islam, surely you must agree that someone is allowed to criticise a religion in a private meeting?
These are 6 placards with extremist slogans. 6 ot of how many demonstrators? This is the usual bullshit of people trying to create a stereotype of a religious group based on a small minority's actions. Get a life. Christians are responsible for far more murders than muslims so adress this extremist religion before you point your finger at Muslims.
Good, keep up the good work. 'Quoting Voltaire' is just shorthand, much like the phrase 'cruise-missile leftist', for anyone who claims to defend their enemies freedom of speech but is in fact anti-democratic. It of course only refers to one particular quote, not to someoene who quotes Candide. A fine sentiment but in 99.9% of cases a simple platitude masking a hidden agenda. We don't like Voltaire (well, personally speaking at least ) because he was against democracy and for monarchy, as long as he was the monarchs wise mentor. Sanctimonious, arrogant and dictatorial canard that he was.
Oh look, Hamza HAS gone down, and Griffin HAS walked free.. Still claim there's no double-standard? Or is it 'all are equal but some are more equal than others'?
There are dubious people out there stirring up racist hatred in a number of different directions. Interesting that the Syria and Iran have been condemned by the US as "inflaming sentiments" of racism by protesting. But Danish papers haven't been condemned by the US for inflaming racism by publishing them in the 1st place.
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It warmed your heart
06.02.2006 13:51
If only they would read. A nice starting point might be "Late Victorian Holocausts" by Mke Davis, explaining and documenting how British Christianity systematically murdered more people in India than Hitler did in Europe.
Memory-Hole-Catchers-Mitt
scary!
06.02.2006 14:56
Scary pics!
Hmmm... All in the same hand-writing.
Anon
so is free speech a one-way street?
06.02.2006 15:03
But evidently that doesn't apply to these protesters. What they say is unacceptable and they should, apparently, be arrested for saying it.
Eh? Have I missed a step? Why the double standard? Why Unrestricted Free Speech For White Folk but No Offensive Muslim Views Allowed?
(and while we're on it, how come Abu Hamza and Omar Bakri get banged up / deported and Nick Bloody Griffin gets off scott free?)
Mr Spoon
Media Focus Is Interesting
06.02.2006 16:34
Notice that their faces are covered, and the Mossad and CIA have both directed Arab groups to violence without their knowledge before.
Well-Coordinated Campaign
Point by point
06.02.2006 17:01
2) Abu Hamza is still on trial, maybe we should wait for the verdict before spouting off about how unfair it all is.
3) It's very easy to criticise but what's your take? If banners advocating murder are acceptable when made by Muslims, do you think it's OK for the BNP to march on Finsbury Park mosque with signs saying "Behead those who oppose christianity"? Or is freedom of speech only allowed for muslims? You can't criticise Griffin for telling a private meeting what his view of a religion is but happily allow someone else to walk through the streets of London saying he wants to kill people who disagree with him, can you?
4) And why is Indymedia so quiet on the vile anti-semitic cartoons that appear in the Muslim press on a daily basis?
Coffee Cup
so free speech isn't absolute then?
06.02.2006 17:21
Mr Spoon
A
06.02.2006 17:21
You said that the "police didn't arrest anyone because people will think they were racist". People already think the police are racist! Whats your point?. Don't you think the cops would know what will happen when they try and arrest people? It would have made the god-squad types look like victims - now they just look like nutters.. I mean having placards like "Freedom Got to Hell", it sounded like some space hijackers actions "pro-capitalist march" without the irony.
ab
Again
06.02.2006 18:27
1) Griffin walked free AFTER HIS TRIAL FINISHED and the jury cleared him (although he awaits retrail on two counts that no verdict was reached on). Hamza's trial HAS NOT YET FINISHED. If the jury clears him, HE WILL WALK FREE TOO! I'd have hoped a graduate such as yourself would have grasped that concept, but apparently not. Bakri has not "gone down", he was simply told that he wasn't going to be allowed back in the country after he left. He was on Radio 4 this morning so it's not like he has been banned from speaking.
2) I've never quoted Voltaire at anyone.
3) As you well know (and as some other people have pointed out in your indentical repost further up the newswire) there is a world of difference between expressing an opinion of a religion and calling for people to be decapitated. You are obviously aware of this, and your sixth-form attempts at stirring up a hornet's nest that isn't there is frankly rather tedious.
4) You still have answered my query about where you stand on the issue – if you agree that someone has the right to walk down the street calling for beheadings of those who oppose Islam, surely you must agree that someone is allowed to criticise a religion in a private meeting?
Coffee Cup
How Stupid
06.02.2006 21:00
Dickhead
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07.02.2006 01:41
John Kendor
I KNOW
07.02.2006 07:59
ITS ONLY ROCK N ROLL
Who are ya
07.02.2006 09:00
1) Show me the post where I leap to the defence of Christianity.
2) Then explain why your claim above is even relevant
3) Then explain what makes it true.
Coffee Cup
I was talking about
07.02.2006 13:07
He's obviously trying ot create stereotypes.
Thats why I called him a dickhead
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Voltaires Bastards
07.02.2006 15:29
Good, keep up the good work. 'Quoting Voltaire' is just shorthand, much like the phrase 'cruise-missile leftist', for anyone who claims to defend their enemies freedom of speech but is in fact anti-democratic. It of course only refers to one particular quote, not to someoene who quotes Candide. A fine sentiment but in 99.9% of cases a simple platitude masking a hidden agenda. We don't like Voltaire (well, personally speaking at least ) because he was against democracy and for monarchy, as long as he was the monarchs wise mentor. Sanctimonious, arrogant and dictatorial canard that he was.
"VOLTAIRE'S BASTARDS :.The Dictatorship of Reason in the West" by John Ralston Saul
Danny
Dear Coffee Cup
07.02.2006 17:21
Mr Spoon
Mix
09.02.2006 12:05
Listen people - don't buy it - it's all bullshit.
Sean