BNP claim moral high ground by reprinting offensive cartoons
Lancaster UAF | 04.02.2006 18:40 | Anti-racism | Culture | Social Struggles
The BNP have accused the British press of cowardice for refusing to carry the cartoons which have caused a storm of protest and anger throughout the Muslim world, and claim not to be afraid of any possible rebuke from 'Islamophile' foreign secretary, Jack Straw, by reprinting the cartoons on their website.
In a display of anti-Islamic bravado obviously inspired by Griffin and Collett's acquittal at Leeds Crown Court earlier this week, the BNP states that it '...is not afraid of any threats of jihad or fatwas issued against us' and that 'we have the courage to show our countrymen just what the source of the fuss is...'
The BNP - ever-ready to fan the flames at the first sign of trouble - are flagrantly attempting to generate more trouble by provoking the Islamic community by reprinting these cartoons. Desperate to cause more dissent where none should exist, Griffin has allowed the webmasters of the BNP website to stir things up needlessly, no doubt hoping to cause enough outrage against the BNP that he can then spend the next six months droning on about being denied his right to free speech again. Of course, when Griffin refers to free speech, he means the freedom to insult, lie and provoke.
It is not cowardice that stops the British press reprinting these cartoons - it's common decency and the wish not to cause offence by going up against one of the tenets of another's faith. The BNP are unable to see this because their rabid hatred of anyone who isn't white blinkers them to reason and humanity.
On this occasion they might have taken a step too far. Clearly, they are deliberately provoking the Islamic community into a response of some kind. There have already been angry demonstrations against the showing of these images throughout Europe - are the BNP hoping to incite anger against themselves? If so, it can only be because they want to use that anger to forward their own racist and anti-Islamic agenda, demonstrating cynicism of the worst and most manipulative kind.
While claiming the moral high ground, the BNP have, once again, shown that they truly occupy the lowest.
In a display of anti-Islamic bravado obviously inspired by Griffin and Collett's acquittal at Leeds Crown Court earlier this week, the BNP states that it '...is not afraid of any threats of jihad or fatwas issued against us' and that 'we have the courage to show our countrymen just what the source of the fuss is...'
The BNP - ever-ready to fan the flames at the first sign of trouble - are flagrantly attempting to generate more trouble by provoking the Islamic community by reprinting these cartoons. Desperate to cause more dissent where none should exist, Griffin has allowed the webmasters of the BNP website to stir things up needlessly, no doubt hoping to cause enough outrage against the BNP that he can then spend the next six months droning on about being denied his right to free speech again. Of course, when Griffin refers to free speech, he means the freedom to insult, lie and provoke.
It is not cowardice that stops the British press reprinting these cartoons - it's common decency and the wish not to cause offence by going up against one of the tenets of another's faith. The BNP are unable to see this because their rabid hatred of anyone who isn't white blinkers them to reason and humanity.
On this occasion they might have taken a step too far. Clearly, they are deliberately provoking the Islamic community into a response of some kind. There have already been angry demonstrations against the showing of these images throughout Europe - are the BNP hoping to incite anger against themselves? If so, it can only be because they want to use that anger to forward their own racist and anti-Islamic agenda, demonstrating cynicism of the worst and most manipulative kind.
While claiming the moral high ground, the BNP have, once again, shown that they truly occupy the lowest.
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Not surprising
04.02.2006 21:20
Undesirable
The BNP Will Defend My Freedom Of Speech
04.02.2006 21:22
So what satirical point am I making. It can only possibly work if there's some witty tagline.
Maybe I'm saying Nick Griffin is a Wolf in Sheep's Clothing. But then why not simply depict him apparently enjoying a sexual act with a Sheep. Satire, it's so difficult.
But, even my atrocious satire will be defended - By Force of Arms if Necessary - by the Noble Forces of the BNP. Who are not a Fascist organisation. Who do not promote hatred of any sort. And who all love a laugh.
Nick Griffins Hairdresser
why no arrests?
04.02.2006 22:50
Why no arrssts of the muslim nazi's when they held up placards of hate (behead non believers etc...) and chanting all the death shit? fuck them too.
FTB
Offensive? Who says??
04.02.2006 23:45
David Moore
Plant pot says........
05.02.2006 01:29
All theses little Nazis are out suing newspapers for the most ridiculous things (and losing,) yet Nick has not even once bothered to comment, let alone refute the statement.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
I believe the saying goes "You've gotta suck a lot of cock to get ahead in this game." Just ask Richard Barnbrook, the one who made a gay porn film, then campaigned that the BNP stood for "Heterosexual, moral family values".
I nearly came into my fish and chips.
Harry O'Lara
Ridcule All Authoritarians
05.02.2006 01:36
I get a halfway decent bloke and he gets mysteriously "expelled" then this
photo turns up. I'd rather me mam told him to pox off and find a rent boy to
bugger instead of posting pervy pix of me... or him... whatever
Lefties might think their superstious but at least they're not political opportunists
prepared to whore their own daughter's image to stir up public disorder. Same as
printing those cartoons - they're not even very good. I've seen better in the Sun.
And the Star.
I think I hate me dad and am giving up this evil creed of opportunistic fascism.
Satire is always funnier when the satyrised respond.
Jen Griff
Crass?
05.02.2006 02:08
When Crass risked prosection for 'blasphemy' with "Reality Asylum" back in the late 70s/early 80s the 'liberal' establishment supported them, much as they also did when Mary whitehouse wanted to prosectute 'Gay Times' in 1977 when a poem was published that implied Christ was homosexual. Why is it then that the same 'liberal' establishment are saying that what are, at the end of the day, just a bunch of pretty crap cartoons (and not too different from inciteful 'Middle English' rubbish I've seen published in the 'respectable' Daily Hate Mail and Daily Depress) are 'beyond the pale', 'going too far', 'offensive', disrespectful', etc, etc... Surely that is the point of satire???
Why should Islam be exempt from satirisation and critisism? When Crass called Jesus a "fuck love prophet of death" who "cried and died" in "his own cock fear, cunt fear, woman fear, man fear", I didn't notice all the liberal and anarchist papers being full of editorials calling for the blood of Penny Rimbaud for daring to upset the Vicar of Dibley, on the contrary, it was thumbs up and support all round , especially to the punk rocker who upset his local priest by singing "So what if Jesus died on the Cross, so what about he fucker, I don't give a toss!" and got sent down by the 'beak' for a couple of weeks (though not, I notice, 'butchered' as our fundi friends would have insisted upon...) for daring to exercise his right to free speech.
So why is it OK under the terms of 'freedom of speech' to critisise Christianity and not Islam?
As somebody once said, "fuck 'em if they can't take a joke..."
Eve Stignorant
Wha???
05.02.2006 02:28
And papers like the Gaurdian say that the cartoons are 'going too far' and 'offensive'
wha??? Did someone somewhere just get an irony transplant???
The BNP are still scum tho.
Sven
Satirising genocide
05.02.2006 11:37
1) Any portrayal of prophets, however flattering or well-intentioned, is offensive to all of Islam - not just fundamentalists.
2) These portrayals falsely equate Islam with terrorism.
3) This is not aa accidental provocation, it is a deliberate attempt to cause further strife bewtween communities.
4) It does not equate with any other 'freedom of speech' example because of the context - we are currently genociding various Islamic peoples.
For an example, someone could make offensive jokes about Judaism and still be considered a free-thinker rather than a Nazi. However, someone standing outside Belsen wise-cracking about Judaism, that person is a Nazi or at least as bad as the Nazis.
Danny
The usual fascist tactic
05.02.2006 11:58
Simon.
Simon
self fulfilling
05.02.2006 17:43
"2) These portrayals falsely equate Islam with terrorism."
So how do the protestors respond to this false equation?? By chanting "Great Britain you will pay, 7/7 on its way!"
Doh!
Am I the only one able to spot the irony in this???
Sven
Self contradicting
05.02.2006 19:41
I can see lots of irony in you supporting this attack on Islam , especially since you'd previously claimed -
"There is a big system called Live. You are in it and I am too. Revolution is on the way. Not only in the streets. I need you and you may need me. Support your neighbour..." - sven
Who is exactly is your neighbour Sven ? Nick Griffin ?
Danny
BNP Coyright Violation
05.02.2006 21:39
violation of the law. Once again showing they are a criminal organisation.
Since the Cartoons were published some time ago in Denmark, unless the BNP
is contributing some new argument to the debate, they're not engaging in free
speech but theft and incitement to public order offences.
Publishing cartoons to "highlight that people are afraid" of Fascists Bullying people
with chants of "behead them" is incitement to public disorder. There is nothing new in this observation. Had the BNP published them to highlight that Neo-Nazi Thugs expect to be the only groups allowed to intimidate and terrorise while being privileged with respectable new suits, that might have been news.
The Free Speech debate would be helped along if those seeing authoritarians exploiting vulnerable or impressionable people (as the Mullahs of Nazism and the Fuhrers of Islam both do) explained what they are on about. Frankly, if a religion gets so upset about an insult to a mortal (Mohammed was not Allah) and yet suggest decapitation is sensible, then they are no better than the Fascist scum that "suggest" death for homosexuality is acceptable.
The debate about free speech is not a debate about mass rioting. It is a debate about why that mass rioting began in the first place. And the Authoritarianism that the BNP promotes, hand in hand with the Absolute Certainty of some Mullahs is only a tiny part of it.
Free Speech is not about stupid fascist bully boys scoring points on some message board or newswire. It is about the Freedom to Speak. A Freedom that the Fascists want to keep for themselves - in the BNP/BPP and whatever other stupid name they peddle their filth under. Once their repugnant lies convince people that Speech is a RIGHT then the Freedom of the DUTY to speak will be gone.
Any Fascist stupid enough to say it is their DUTY to publish these cartoons should publish them to a rioting mob. I'll attend your funeral with these words, "They died in the line of duty of removing their stupid ideology from our land".
The DUTY of Free Speech is not as easy as the PRIVILEGE of Speaking that the Fascist claim to be their RIGHT. It's never a "right" while Authoritarians exist.
Bored spectator
Thats not me
05.02.2006 22:06
But I didn't say I 'supported' this attack on Muslems, what i do say is that some Muslems have rightly taken offence at the idea of being stereotyped as terrorists. But they've responded by fitting the very caricature that they've been accused of, by chanting "Seven Seven on its way".
Its like the cartoonist has said "You people are all bombers". The protestors have responded by saying "How dare you say that us people are bombers- for that I'm going to bomb you!"
Thats what i find ironic! So did the editor of one of the Danish newspapers, but he got sacked for pointing this out.
Doesn't make me a right wing bigot, the BNP are Nazi scum, end of story. But that doesn't mean we have to be appologist for the behaviour of the fundis rioting, burning and kidnapping their way accross the world over a bunch of crappy cartoons.
I bet you thought Salamn Rushdie deserved his Fatwa as well for 'daring' to write the Satanic Verses???
All religion is shit anyway, so why is it OK to mock the Bible Bashing Christian Right but Woman Oppressing, morally uptight Islam is off limits to critisism and satire? Lets all shut up in case we 'offend' someone (or they riot and burn our embassies and kidnap random people who just happen to come from the same country). Fine. But don't tell me that this is the mark of a progressive, open and healthy society.
Sven (not)
Jerry Springer
05.02.2006 22:22
Should the local councils give in to them for the 'offense' they cause to Christains?
And what about 'Life of Brian'? I seem to remember that upsetting a bunch of brain dead Christains a few years back because they were too stupid to see the joke. My boss at the time was a local councillor who was very proud of himself for making sure that LoB wasn't shown in any cinemas in the town where I lived. He was a stupid, ignorant thick bible bashing Christian. But maybe he was right to deny me the freedom to watch and laugh at what I wanted to in my own time. After all, if some people choose to get offended who am I to upset them.
But even that ignorant, arrogant thick fuck of a boss of mine never actaully went around setting light to buildings and issuing death threats and fatwas against messrs Cleese, Palin, Jones and idle.
Not the real Sven
Jerry Springer- the Opera ?
05.02.2006 22:57
I'm a fucking anarchist and I value my liberty to offend the pious, that's my gut reaction.
Of course, if our taxes were supporting the genocide of Christians in Chechnya, the genocide of Christians in Iraq and apartheid imposed on Christians in Palestine, if stormtroopers were pissing on Bibles in Christian detention camps and blowing up churches around the world then I would probably reconsider my gut reaction as tasteless, inappropriate and poorly timed at best. Collaboration at worst.
You alll seem eager to relieve the Muslims of their ignorance before our armies relieve them of their lives. Very evangelical of you.
PS sorry sven for thinking you were sven but I do wish folk would pick a random name and stick with it.
dAnny
Just cartoons.
06.02.2006 00:03
Sarah Cain
Just Genocide
06.02.2006 00:25
Iraqi mosque ablaze after US air strike
Yeah, dirty ragheads, no sense of humour. After we went to so much expense sending presents to their mosques.
Not at all like the humerous Jews of the forties, they had such friendly banter with their concentration guards benfactors, were never the least bitter or upset.
Danny
Let's get it straight
06.02.2006 01:00
1) Any portrayal of prophets, however flattering or well-intentioned, is offensive to all of Islam - not just fundamentalists.
This is completely untrue. Sunnis don't like it, Shia muslims sell posters and postcards with fictional depictions of Muhammed like there is no tomorrow (and maybe they are right). Go to Teheran and you will see them in the shops.
2) These portrayals falsely equate Islam with terrorism.
You sir, are a jihadist apologist. Absolute rubbish. I don't believe that you have even looked at them. There are 12 published pictures. Two of them are very respectful of Muhammed, one (the blackboard) is a joke aimed at the newspaper itself, one is a picture of a scared cartoonist (worried about reprisals), one is an image of Muhammed's face mixed in with the Islamic sickle moon symbol, one is a picture of an identity parade that features figures from Danish public life and is incomprehensible unless you recognise the faces, one is an incomprehensible picture of a man with an orange falling onto his turban and the other 5 are mildly satirical - two of these might be seen as having connections with terrorism - and quite rightly given the determination of jihadists to terrorise us.
3) This is not an accidental provocation, it is a deliberate attempt to cause further strife bewtween communities.
The paper deliberately published some political cartoons which are highly topical and express a range of opinions. I don't believe we should self-censor because of the threat of violence from religious extremists.
4) It does not equate with any other 'freedom of speech' example because of the context - we are currently genociding various Islamic peoples.
WE are? I'm not matey. I opposed the war and foolishly went on numerous demonstrations in Central London walking alongside people I now understand to be Hizb ut-Tahrir, Al-Muhajiroun, Jamaat-i-Islami supporters and others who support violence (against me and other innocents) and their various political wings in MCB, MAB, YMO, MPAC, etc, etc, etc. Once you invoke the "freedom of speech" argument you are stuffed because it is UNQUALIFIED. Read my learned friend Lord Justice Sedley.... In a judgement made by Lord Justice Sedley in the High Court in July 1999 he said: " Free speech includes not only the inoffensive, but the irritating, the contentious, the eccentric, the heretical, the unwelcome and the provocative provided it does not tend to provoke violence. Freedom only to speak inoffensively is not worth having."
Let's get it straight eh? No point just mouthing political platitudes.
David Moore
David Moore, International Hero of the People
06.02.2006 02:25
1) Any portrayal of prophets, however flattering or well-intentioned, is offensive to all of Islam - not just fundamentalists.
This is completely untrue. Sunnis don't like it, Shia muslims sell posters and postcards with fictional depictions of Muhammed like there is no tomorrow (and maybe they are right). Go to Teheran and you will see them in the shops."
Guess who set fire to the embassy in Beirut ? Shia. Cogs turning..but if Shia see these as offenseive then... Guess who don't know squat ? David. Have a guess. David ? Who don't know squat ? David ?
General Rule: If you want to find out stuff, ask people direct, with respect, and don't rely on self appointed experts.
"You sir, are a jihadist apologist."
You, ma'am, are a drama queen dressed up in a Nazi uniform.
"Absolute rubbish. I don't believe that you have even looked at them."
That is because you aren't a regular and have only popped by to attack Islam. When the cartoons were first published in the UK - here, for your information- I commented at once, and tried to make light of the situation with comparisons to Lego. I believe you are an interloper, or at very least a shit-stirrer. There is a lot of it about here these days. There are a lot of you about today.
"There are 12 published pictures. Two of them are very respectful of Muhammed,"
Doh! Remember 'no images of the prophet'. Cartoons of Mohammed are blasphemy.
" - two of these might be seen as having connections with terrorism - "
Might ? Might !!! hahaha - oh, and I'm an apologist ! That's hilarious coming from you.
"The paper deliberately published some political cartoons which are highly topical and express a range of opinions. I don't believe we should self-censor because of the threat of violence from religious extremists."
Do you think we should mock those that we are still massacring ? Obviously you do.
"WE are? I'm not matey. I opposed the war and foolishly went on numerous demonstrations in Central London walking "
Oh you walked for peace did you ? Walking is hard, your self-sacrifice must be proof of a good soul. Ignore the facts that your taxes were paying for war while you marched, or that your post-invasion rants seemed aimed at killing muslims. Or that after 200,000 odd deaths your best claim to solidarity with your victims is a long walk. Respect to the international hero of the people!
"Let's get it straight eh? No point just mouthing political platitudes. "
No, lets go for a walk in Central London to show how commited we are to ending the Iraqi genocide.
You little genocidal wannabe faker...oh, you have no idea how much contempt you truly deserve.
Danny
Someone's got to show the REAL cartoons, doesn't matter who.
07.02.2006 01:43
It appears that Danish muslim jihadist leaders have been deliberately fanning the flames of hatred by lying to their co-religionists in the Middle East about what was actually in the cartoons. The story is published in detail in Ekstra Bladet, the Danish newspaper, here -
http://ekstrabladet.dk/VisArtikel.iasp?PageID=333668
For those of you who cannot read Danish here is a translation by a right-wing blogger. The truth is the truth no matter whose mouth it comes from. And a lie is a lie, even if it comes out of an ultra-leftist gob, eh Danny? (Thanks to Henrik at the Viking Observer blog)
"Imam Abu Laban and his spokesmen in The Islamic Belief Society (Danish Moslem organisation) have a quite loose attitude towards truth.
Lie no. 1
Abu Laban and other representatives from The Islamic Belief Society have in countless instances claimed, that 29 official moslem organisations are behind the protests against Jyllands-Postens famous drawings. As revealed in Ekstra Bladet that is not true. Several of the organisations do not exist, and others have not been asked, before they were included in the list. In several instances spokesmen and organisation have been included in the list, even though they are direct opponents of Abu Labans actions.
Lie no. 2
Abu Labans right-hand man, spokesman Kasem Ahmad, claims in several official appearances, that the 29 moslem organisations behind the protest represent between 150,000 and 200,000 moslems. The number is never corrected by Abu Laban, although the inflated numbers are cited in national media.
As revealed in Ekstra Bladet the moslem organisations at the most represent 15.000 and probably just 5,000 moslems. Many of them are by the way children down to the age of seven, who Abu Laban has counted in without blinking. When we confronted Abu Laban with this lie, he says that we should just view the statements as "the truth plus taxes"...
Lie no. 3
On the behalf of The Islamic Belief Society and other moslem organisation, a delegation of imams and islamic spokesmen go to the Middle East to show around Jyllands-Postens famous prophet-drawings to win support for their protests.
As Ekstra Bladet revealet, the moslem delegation also brought along three drawings that had never been published in Jyllands-Posten. They show the prophet Mohammed depicted as a paedophile and equipped with a pig´s snout, and there also is a picture of a praying moslem man who is raped anally by a dog. The extremely rude pictures are shown to moslem leaders on the highest level, and in international media they have been paraded as examples of the drawings from Jyllands-Posten ....
Lie no. 5
Tuesday Abu Laban was interviewed by the arab tv-station Al-Jazeera about the Middle-Eastern boycot of Denmark. To 50 million people in the moslem world, Abu Laban says, that he is habby about the boycot of Denmark. But to TV2 (Danish TV station) he says, that he will urge the arab world to stop the boycot. It is hard to tell exactly what Abu Laban really thinks. Maybe he just thinks what sounds the best for the occasion at hand."
David Moore
Im far left so what?
07.02.2006 08:41
Danny
Where is Indymedia's serious political comment?
07.02.2006 09:33
I remember when the Trots welcomed the return of the Ayatollah and his Revolutionary Guards to Tehran. They said (it seems comical now) that this was a progressive development. Shortly after this victory the torture and slaughter of the Iranian Communist Party and the left secular opposition began.
David Moore
What is Danish for 'racist shit-stirring idiot '?
07.02.2006 12:56
No but you have made a fool of yourself yet again with baseless accusations and racial shit-stirring. I'm not a leftist. That's just as ridiculous an lie as your claim that I hadn't even seen the cartoons, showing that you hadn't even seen the thread here where they were posted. Which you would know if you weren't just a right-wing interloper here to stir up racial conflict. You don't have to be a leftist to recognise a fascists posts. And as I've stated hundreds of times here, I loathe Galloway, but theres no need to let facts get in the way of a good smear eh ? I guess you don't like pointscoring because you are constantly scoring own goals.
What a weird post - you happily quote right-wing bloggers on issues that haven't been raised here, as if proving some point, and then slag Indymedias lack of political comment. Did the blog make any sense before you translated it ? And what are your other Stormfront pals saying about the issue ? Since you weren't here when the cartoons were published, and you haven't bothered to read any previous posts, I hardly think you are qualified to lecture me on whether I should be posting here - ironically under your false banner of 'freedom of speech'. I guess you only found Indymedia through this thread by googling for BNP.
Danny
David Moore is innocent
08.02.2006 03:18
Other people manage it. Just not you. Meaningful debate for you is when everyone agrees with you and worships your superior intellect.
>It is not possible to maintain a unique identity.
Oh yes it is, just don't post under a name someone has already used on a thread. Although you have sort of ruined it for anyone else called 'David Moore'.
>It wouldn't take a genius to fix things so that one 'person' got one 'name'.
Yeah, we could just swipe our ID cards before we post.
>You lot can stay here and congratulate each other on the quality of your revolutionary trot consciousnesses.
Whats the difference between a trot and an anarchist ? Aren't you curious ?
>Waste of my valuable time. I'm offski.
It's good to know I've finally contributed soemthing worthwhile. Indymedias loss is the Daily Mail letters page gain.
Danny
Lets get back to basics
22.02.2006 15:16
You dirty filthy bum fucking soap dodging traitorous leftist paedo scum.
There, that’s better.
Ta
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