Site update: Promoted Newswire
imc-uk-process | 09.01.2006 22:12 | Indymedia
The front page of www.indymedia.org.uk now features a promoted newswire in addition to the open newswire. You can choose between the two. The addition of a promoted newswire is an attempt to keep the balance between our commitment to open publishing and to our aims as stated in the UK Indymedia Mission Statement. We hope that this change will keep everyone happy:
- Promoted wire for those who want to read UK Indymedia as "the journal of the movement"
- All regions for those who want a collection of local news
- open newswire for those who want a running commentary by everyone who cares to post (as long as the posts are within the Editorial Guidelines)
When UK Indymedia was first set up on Mayday 2000, only few people knew about the website, and judging from the early postings on the newswire, most of them posted right along the lines of the IMC UK Mission Statement: "The focus of the Indymedia UK collective is on grassroots politics, actions and campaigns." What has been practiced by numerous fotocopied zines and newssheets now moved to the internet by using Indymedia as an open publishing platform on the internet. By publishing reports directly from their actions, activists further eroded the "dividing line between reporters and reported, between active producers and passive audience".
In the beginning, Indymedia users were mostly connected to the global protests against global governance (G8, WTO, IMF etc), to environmental protests and to the (dis)organisational principles of the PGA: No leaders, no formal structures, striving to abolish any hierarchies. This attitude is reflected in the editorial guidelines: "Indymedia UK reserves the right to hide postings that contravene these guidelines". Hidden postings disappear from the open newswire, but can be viewed via the link to the view all posts page contained in the Editorial Guidelines. The process of hiding is transparent, and often needs to be negotiated within the Indymedia mailing lists.
As the project grew, social movements in a much wider sense started to use Indymedia. Traditional NGOs and left-wing political parties started to be interested. Conspiracy theories about September 11 and various other events started to appear on the newswires. Right wing groups started to spam the newswire. People started to send re-posts from corporate media, and to advertise their blogs on Indymedia, or repost their entries. Disinformation about actions and events started to appear. Not to mention racist, sexist or other discriminatory newswire articles and comments.
We are aware that there is a tension between our commitments to open posting and to the non-hierarchical, grassroots type of activism. As Indymedia United Kollektives, we feel that we are not responsible to provide a platform for everything. Everybody can set up their own blog, website, mailing list or wiki on the internet. Nobody has to rely on the Indymedia open publishing newswire and the comments function to publish their opinions. At the same time, Indymedia volunteers and collectives in the UK are a varied bunch of people with different political and social backgrounds. Some of us encourage more "art" on the newswire, others are hiding poems. Some of us hide every corporate repost, others argue for keeping some of them. One person's "disruptive" is another person's inspiration. As a result, the threshold of what is seen as unacceptable is quite high. Decisions to hide an article are often challenged.
Dealing with this tension has always been a crucial debate within the United Kollectives that maintain www.indymedia.org.uk.
In some IMCs in the US, people adhere to a radical free speech point of view, where the commitment to free speech is more important than any political content. In the UK, we discussed the notion of "radical speech", and decided that we clearly state our bias to radical, non-hierarchical grassroots politics: "While the mainstream media conceal their manifold biases and alignments, we clearly state our position. Indymedia UK does not attempt to take an objective and impartial standpoint: Indymedia UK clearly states its subjectivity."
Our Editorial Guidelines are fluid, subject to constant re-interpretation by the dozens of volunteers who maintain the website. These volunteers don't always agree with each other. Viewers of Indymedia can watch an article being hidden, unhidden and re-hidden, and follow the discussions on the imc-uk-features and local collectives mailing lists. Definitions of non-news, hierarchical, advertisements etc are constantly being negotiated.
The Editorial Guidelines have room for many opinions.
We also noticed an increase in comments that were not additions or grounded discussion of the newswire articles, but disruptive to the point of trolling. As a response, we implemented changes to the way comments are displayed that gives users the choice to see all comments, or just the headings.
On a wider scale, we all agree that the newswire is the backbone of Indymedia. But then there are different interpretations: some of us want to see the open newswire as a running commentary on the website, fast and chaotic, like a messy free radio station. Others want a newswire that features straightforward Indymedia news from the streets: A slower medium that gives each posting more time on top of the newswire, and that allows people to see what is happening on planet activism at one glance, rather than having to sift through miles and miles of other postings.
Being a diverse network of people with different political and social backgrounds, we will not resolve this tension. In fact, we think that it is part of the dynamics and the success of Indymedia.
This is why we have come up with an optional promoted newswire. We have discussed this option since August 2005, exchanged arguments, revised specifications and code, until we were ready to implement it. We have started to promote older articles to this new promoted newswire. What exactly gets promoted will depend firstly on those volunteers who participate in the process. It will depend on local collectives, and it will depend on your input in the comments to this article, or in communication with your local collectives. In this process, patterns of promotion will emerge, and they will be discussed on the mailing lists.
At the same time, the open newswire will remain what it is now. Possibly, less postings will be hidden. Those who want an indymedia-type filter can use the promoted newswire.
This is something that other Indymedia sites have done for a while, for example IMC Germany: "promotes articles which are not dates (like: demonstration Tuesday 6pm... please come!), leaflets, crosspostings, press releases, articles with just 2 sentences, articles which are just personal opinions".
The introduction of a promoted newswire is an experiment, one more effort to keep Indymedia as a powerful tool for radical social change.
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Good move - and a few comments
10.01.2006 08:49
I like that the open newswire stays as the default on the home page, and think it should remain so, that's clearly important.
What I really don't like is the way the default home page open newswire has the ugly white boxes around to denote that postings are also on the promoted newswire. There are two reasons for this:
1) While the creation of the promoted wire sets a new level of heirarchy (though I thank indymedia for the goood explanation for the reasons etc) and I like the concept, having the two wires so distinquished on the open wire almost renders the seperate promoted wire obselete. It feels wrong to me to have the white boxes - sure have the two wires - but not this.
2) After all the good re-design work and site layout improvements that have been made over the last year or so, well, it just looks plain ugly, clunky and just a little crap.
Please dump the white boxes!! It's not needed and looks bad.
Good luck with it.
Mike P
White boxes?
10.01.2006 18:15
Doug.
Good move I hope
10.01.2006 19:01
e
white boxes
10.01.2006 19:40
pixel
Big improvement!
11.01.2006 07:17
Me.
look before you leap
12.01.2006 02:24
Actually the idea that Usama bin Laden was behind 9/11 is the biggest conspiracy theory of all. It is the conspiracy theory promoted by the US regime and it is the only conspiracy theory for which there is no credible evidence. Finding out who was really behind 9/11 - and why - is key to understanding the struggles of masses against imperial rule around the world, in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. And that directly impacts the UK, with Poodle Blair in charge.
Please don't continue sliding down the slippery slope of deciding the acceptability of articles with which you merely disagree.
men in black
Space for all
12.01.2006 12:22
Also in black
Why are comments in this thread being hidden?
12.01.2006 17:30
"too little too late? (139289) by: grey
Seems like indy will need to do quite a bit of outreach and self-promotion to communicate these changes to all those who have already jumped ship. Seems like I'm forever meeting disillusioned ex'IMCers who have moved on, burnt-out or started other projects. Much of the direct action old-school have long felt indy was failing and this led to the creation of an indy like news wire for reports of direct action.
These changes do seem to represent an improvement and more importantly a will to improve. I think however that the collectives will need to put fresh efforts into promoting indy and encouraging people to come back. "
The hiding of this comment can not be justified under the guidelines!
Ironically, the newswire I mentioned above was set up by people who were concerned that indy wasn't hiding enough articles and that the volume of crap on the newswire destroyed it's credibility and value. I think the promoted news wire will help a lot to reduce the crap but WTF is this heavy handed censorship of the comments all about? You only want uncritical comments about indy? Don't let people think that fascism is taking root in the indy power structure - there is no excuse for hiding the above comment.
grey
Action reports newswire
12.01.2006 17:45
It has indeed been setup as a result of increased frustration with indymedia over a period of time and was being heavily promoted at the last anarchist bookfare as an alternative place for people to post reports of their action in the spirit of indymedia. however, the ef! newswire obviously will not provide the exposure of article posted on indymedia and I suspect that such a small initiative can not offer the protection of a global network such as indymedia.
I too appreciate the new promoted newswire.
(anyone else noted the 'author' fields being used as an unofficial subtittle?)
An response to grey
12.01.2006 21:18
As mentioned in the article above this site gets a number of disinformation post that the volunteers have to find and hide. Typically these are about protests that don't exists, spilits within protests groups that don't exists and such like. Some are about Indymedia itself, for example take a look at this, not untypical, one — it's content is a total fabrication no such meetings have taken place, the link and email address were posted incomplete to make it look like we had removed bits of them... etc etc...
I'm sorry to say that it was assumed that your post, with it's un referenced (no hyperlink) mention of "the creation of an indy like news wire for reports of direct action" was assumed to fall into the same category as the above post...
We are all faliable, sometimes mistakes are made.... I hadn't seen the Earth First! Action Reports site before and didn't realise that things like this were being set up...
If people set the promoted newswire as their default then you will get a UK Indymedia site with good quality posts... If you want to get involved to make this site better then get in touch with you local collective or check out some of the lists and get stuck in...
IMC'er
thanks for the explaination
13.01.2006 02:04
grey
Need more promoting
13.01.2006 15:47
How about a new newswire for annoucements/events?
otherwise we end up having to read both wires
Events wire suggestion
13.01.2006 19:31
The medium term plan for events is to add functionality to the software running this site so that there is a sensible way of adding and viewing future events, though this isn't going to happen overnight... this will be something like a events wire.
In the meantime there is the events box which is manually generated — if there are events that admins have overlooked and are not listed here please drop a line to the imc-uk-features list or pop into #uk on the irc server (web interface) and ask for a link to be added. The same goes for newswire posts that you think should be promoted but might have been overlooked...
IMC'er
a prominent link to the open newswire
14.01.2006 10:46
Bert
There is a prominent link to both newswires:
14.01.2006 14:30
.
Please keep the white boxes
14.01.2006 15:47
How about making everything 'promoted' by default and then knocking stuff down to the 'open' (all posts within guidelines) wire or to the 'hidden' (all post apart from those deleted because they are illegal/dodgy)?
This way people who opt for the promoted wire as default would get the chance to see breaking news without needing to check two newswires and yet only the 'journal of the movement' type items would remain on that wire long term and thus prevent the wire moving to fast.
Whatever happens, please keep the white boxes or some other way to show the promoted stories as at present I think most people are probably being forced to stay with the open newswire in order to see breaking news, coming events and quality analysis that seems not to be getting promoted.
the promoted news wire doesn't contain enough of the good stuff
Splitters!
14.01.2006 16:19
This movement is crippled by constant splitting and infighting. We will never achieve gains while this is our culture.
peoples front
wheres the link?
14.01.2006 16:24
Herby Spiral
Please make this thread sticky!
14.01.2006 16:26
Those people visiting the site only once a week or so have found it confussing what changes have happened and why. If this article stays at the top like some previous indymedia breaking news then it would be better.
john
Reply to Not enough stuff, not fast enough...
14.01.2006 17:02
> quality analysis that seems not to be getting promoted
Examples please. There is nothing stopping analysis getting promoted - well except for the usual reasons, like it's actually reposted material, or whatever.
In fact if you check the site so often you see news before it gets promoted, and you should be taking part in the process, join
IMC'er
Herby - forget the link, wheres your newswire?
14.01.2006 21:44
Upgrade your browser or try a different one.
Admin bods, making this feature a breaking news box at the top is a good idea.
Bro
Herby - Where's the link - Reply
14.01.2006 22:24
If you find this happens, hit refresh...
If that doesn't fix it... bad... try another view of the site publish.indymedia.org.uk or www1.indymedia.org.uk are good places too look.
ekes
latest version of Firefox
15.01.2006 00:04
cheers Graham
Herby Spiral
Herby - State of the Art - Reply
15.01.2006 01:06
ekes
Sad ad's
15.01.2006 02:30
Danny
Devicive
15.01.2006 12:01
de
about the
15.01.2006 14:34
Another reason was that the Earth First! Action Update, which has been publishing reports of (ecological) direct action since 1991 has in recent years come out only sporadically, rather than every month.
So the EF! AR website is not a replacement for a paper version, because that reaches people and places the internet don't shine. Also there's been a problem for a few years, since people stopped travelling around so much, that people who take direct action don't know what each other are doing, never mind other people being able to get involved. The new EF! website is trying to partially solve that issue. And of course highlight the importance of *ecological* (however you define that) direct action.
And nor is it a replacement for IMC, because (pretty much unmoderated) open publishing, and a place where people can share information and opinion can be useful.
It's nice to see as the EF! AR website has been being developed, that the IMC admins have also responded to similar problems; however that does not mean that they are competing with each other, but instead should be and are complementary.
Earth First! Action Reports website
Homepage:
http://earthfirst.org.uk/actionreports
"missing" newswires in the right hand column
15.01.2006 20:07
Hitting refresh or reload simply does not seem to work to display the right hand column properly,
with the latest version of Firefox. Ironically, it works fine with Microsoft's MSIE web browser.
Presumably this will also adversly affect search engine spiders, which will therefore reduce the Indymedia audience even further.
Following the static links from this (soon to disappear posting) works fine, even in Frefox.
Surely a static link near to the search box would make sense until this "glitch" is sorted out ?
M
Please put it back to how it was!
15.01.2006 21:42
argh
Compromise?
18.01.2006 07:46
Doug.
Editors are an embaressment!
24.01.2006 20:22
It shows what total fuckwits the editors are. Totally unaware of whats newsworthy and of importance to the movement. Most importantly it highlights the London bias, with spam from rampart, etc.
~~~Nicola~~~
Fuckwit
29.01.2006 19:47
Fuckwit