The Water Is Rising: We Are All Going to Die, admittedly those to stupid to walk to higher ground may.
Take out a roman map of England, look at either side of the wash, you will see that there was a road on which our Roman invaders could cross the wash, 2 perfectly formed raised stonework roads still exists,one in Brancaster and the other side in skegness, here we see a major 44 feet wide roman highway but absent is a alternative major route around the wash
even the track in to the wash is still there, so it's sensible to assume that 2000 years ago the wash was above water.
futher evidence of this is taken by metal detectorists who at very low tide will venture out on to the wash to harvest roman and anglo saxon coins which can be found in areas which we can only conclude were abandoned villages of the 55-550 ad period, nothing beyond the year 850 has been recovered
however in the last 2000 years the water has risen to cover the whole section of road under the wash by over 40 feet , so the water was rising 2000 years ago or 1850 years before cars were invented, and it is still rising 2000 years later.
Or maybe they built it for a laugh ?

If all the ice melts would there still be land ? I dunno, maybe. Anyway, the 'SinisterPenguin' (and you have to treat any penguin that can type as sinister) didn't say 'The Water Is Rising: We Are All Going to Drown'. As the climate fails more people will likely die of thirst and of hunger than of the direct effects of the seemingly constant hurricanes, floods, ice-storms et al. More people are dying that way now and the ratio will probably be constant even as the numbers geometrically increase. Probably even more people will kill each other in resource wars. I guess that's more why people were marching rather than fear of drowning, although you may be right about the two guys with surfboards in the middle of London.

The really hilarious thing about climate change wiping out humanity is the simple fact we consider ourselves the most intelligent species - and we triggered the event. And I love how politicians say 'we can't switch to renewables in time. If we chose to as a species we could switch to renewables tommorow. All those factories turning out Ipods and cars and bombs and computers spacecraft and other such luxurious nonsensical shit could turn out generators instead. Think about it - we are trading the whole beautiful earth for crap that we don't even like. I hope your kids all like their Christmas presents this year because they will be paying for them for the rest of their lives.


Humanity i love you because
when you're hard up you pawn your
intelligence to buy a drink and when
you're flush pride keeps
you from the pawn shops and
because you are continually committing
nuisances but more
especially in your own house


We've got photographs of men on the moon,
We've got water that is good for us,
We've got coffee that's instantaneous,
We've got buildings that are very tall,
We've got cigarettes that are low in tar,
We've got policemen can tell us who we are,
We can reproduce a work of art,
We've got missiles can tear the world apart,
Good, good, good, good, good, good technology.

95 THESES FOR A GREEN REFORMATION
Against the indulgences of neoliberalism and religious
fundamentalism

Copyleft Matthew Edwards 2005
 matthewedwards999@yahoo.co.uk


With all the creative techniques of NON-VIOLENCE we
can invent let us


1) FIGHT violence
2) FIGHT nuclear weapons
3) FIGHT the idea of the third world war
4) FIGHT the reality of the third world
5) FIGHT climate change
6) FIGHT corruption
7) FIGHT fundamentalism
8) FIGHT religious intolerance
9) FIGHT bombs with food
10) FIGHT consumerism
11) FIGHT materialism
12) FIGHT commercialism
13) FIGHT celebrity culture
14) FIGHT political jargon
15) FIGHT the rape of mother nature
16) FIGHT pollution
17) FIGHT apathy
18) FIGHT despair
19) FIGHT cynicism
20) FIGHT those making a killing in our name
21) FIGHT ignorance
22) FIGHT privatisation
23) FIGHT the corporatisation of the media
24) FIGHT the society of the spectacle
25) FIGHT ennui
26) FIGHT the machine
27) FIGHT against resource wars
28) FIGHT selfishness
29) FIGHT bling bling
30) FIGHT disaffection
31) FIGHT disconnection
32) FIGHT alienation
33) FIGHT anomie
34) FIGHT reification
35) FIGHT loss of community
36) FIGHT commodity fetishism
37) FIGHT greed
38) FIGHT envy
39) FIGHT the obsession with style over substance
40) FIGHT exploitation
41) FIGHT injustice
42) FIGHT oppression
43) FIGHT over-production
44) FIGHT waste
45) FIGHT cultural obesity
46) FIGHT hypocrisy
47) FIGHT bigotry
48) FIGHT self thought policing
49) FIGHT disrespect for elders
50) FIGHT conspicuous consumption
51) FIGHT war profits
52) FIGHT hypnosis
53) FIGHT the domination of the weak by the strong
54) FIGHT unhappiness
55) FIGHT unnecessary consumer desires
56) FIGHT unsustainable economic growth
57) FIGHT stress
58) FIGHT disease
59) FIGHT mental disorder
60) FIGHT the fast food economy
61) FIGHT the attention deficit disorder culture
62) FIGHT your disbelief in your own creative power
63) FIGHT the power
64) FIGHT hype
65) FIGHT hyper-power
66) FIGHT weapons of mass deception
67) FIGHT dismal stories
68) FIGHT war in peace clothing
69) FIGHT hegemony
70) FIGHT space imperialism
71) FIGHT false profits
72) FIGHT hatred
73) FIGHT the elimination of indigenous cultures
74) FIGHT the extinction of species
75) FIGHT deforestation
76) FIGHT lies
77) FIGHT poverty of mind and spirit
78) FIGHT (un)free enterprise
79) FIGHT servitude
80) FIGHT the programming of the mind by advertising
and propaganda
81) FIGHT unethical finance
82) FIGHT unethical medicine
83) FIGHT loss of love
84) FIGHT your own personal demons
85) FIGHT misery
86) FIGHT false consciousness
87) FIGHT false conscience
88) FIGHT tyranny
89) FIGHT apartheid
90) FIGHT the loss of the idea of the brotherhood and
sisterhood of mankind
91) FIGHT whited sepulchres
92) FIGHT all modern forms of the system of
indulgences
93) FIGHT the idea of paying for salvation
94) FIGHT the fall from the perfumed garden we are all
born into
95) FIGHT the idea of death


LET YOUR LIGHT SHINE TO THE WORLD.

JOIN THE GREEN REFORMATION.

WITHOUT YOU IT IS NOTHING.

With a little bit more effort you could've reached a hundred.

96) Fight Patriarchy
97) Fight On
98) Fight Copyright
99) Fight Silly Lists
100) Fight Me

However, those are copyright and you can't ever use them even though I know you want to.
"Humanity i love you because " is out of copyright eecummings and "good technology" is copyright of the Red Guitars who were two nice a band to sue for a plug. Copyleft my arse. How precious. How capital G Green. Most poets earn less than £2000 a year and most poets are over-paid.

You really ought to hold environmental protests in your own town or else they are hypocritical. Assuming government ignore that march as they ignored the far larger anti-war marches then how much damage have those twenty-five coaches done to the environment ? I mean, in terms of penguins, how many extra penguins has your protest cost so far against how many saved ? Just for a day out in London ? Small nationwide protests are just as impressive as large London protests and they reach more people.


Copyleft is vanity publishing. Programmers use it to keep their code from corporate exploitation, but Hallmark aren't going to profit from your doggerel. If anyone was to steal anything you write then you should be flattered enough without demanding a namecheck or recognition. Those are not your ideas and you have no right to assume any legal status over them simply for listing them. Shame on you for wanting to. Copyleft in writing and ideas is the vain brother of greedy copyright. Regardless, I won't allow you to publish your post, I demand Indymedia withdraw it as it infringes on my UK patent for the concept of lists which I filed last year and is still patent-pending.

Patent number 00101789546 (UK) LISTS

A sequential algorithm of different data arranged one point after the other, differentiated by an unique indicator such an ascending number or letter sequence such as the alphabet. The list may be written down on the back of an envelope, electronically tabulated or rendered by a browser, or can be used theoretically to evaluate or display any information.

Patent Pending 2004

For the (legal) record the e.e.cummings poem is not out of copyright - copyright is held for 70 years from the end of the year of the autjor's death, not from the year the poem was written. You may not agree with it, but I suspect that the cummings estate would!

70 years after the authors death ? Really ? I thought in Europe it was 50 years after the publication of the work. Poems breathe longer than poets do after all. However, I really don't grudge EE Cummings estate any money and they can post here suggesting suitable renumeration then they can have it.

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yunnuhstan

ydoan o
yunnuhstand dem
yguduh ged

yunnuhstan dem doidee
yguduh ged riduh
ydoan o nudn

LISN bud LISN

dem
gud
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lidl yelluh bas
tuds weer goin

duhSIVILEYEzum

No, it's 70 years. It used to be 50 years from the author's death (never from publication) but it was increased to 70 a few years ago.

Not that I actually think that the cummings estate are going to be trawling through indymedia and fuming about unauthorised appearances of poems, of course. But nevertheless...

You are right, it is getting worse. The increase was due to the Bono law in the US. Sonny Bono never did an original thing in his life, his whole over-paid career was lifted from the ideas of earlier musicians. Why can't the estates of the early Blues musicians in sue all the rock n roll singers estates for copyright infringement ? Artists should be paid for their art as they create it, not long after they are dead. The free flow of ideas is what stimulates progress and all creativity involves theft from outside influences. It's not about artists anyway, it's about corporations - "corporate authorship" gets another 25 years extra, up to 95 years, and they purchase and license artists rights.

My life just got so much more illegal.

It is not sea levels which are the main danger. Throw away those posters, you
have been diverted from the real danger which approaches every minute.

All over the world the melting ice is releasing pressure that kept plates from
moving. At present there are 5 volcanoes, mainly in the south that could
erupt. The Pakistan earthquake and the asian tsunami may have been caused
by moving plates that are released by melting ice

Antarctica has not had an earthquake for millions of years, all of the plates
connecting to it WILL move as the ice melts there. One of these plates
is the one going up the center of the Indian ocean.

The connection between global warming and imminent danger is much more
subtle than sea level changes.