There were no tube bombs. There were no suicide bombers.
frank | 24.11.2005 22:49
Please consider this scenario -
Peter Power is on record saying he was surprised that his fantasy events coincided with real events. Did the fantasy events cause the real events?
These exercises try to be as realistic as possible - even the emergency services are not told. Use of some sort of fire-cracker - maybe a detenator - could have been used to mimic the sound of a bomb.
There is a lot of dry, sooty dust in the London tubes which could have ignited after being disturbed. The dust is oily and sooty probably containing grease which has fallen from the tube carriages and engines. I have looked at some dust explosion stuff - most of it is to do with food processes e.g. corn dust. What is certain is that there was certainly a souce of ignition in addition to any original dispersal of the dust. A broken bearing or any spark is enough to detonate a dust explosion and there are plenty of sparks and ample evidence that the tubes are not maintained properly e.g. emergency braking system on the Northern line.
There are limits to the conditions needed for a dust explosion but they seem very loose. It seems to me that the conditions on the tube would / could have been ideal - the forward movement of the train would disperse the dust further once it had been dispersed by a 'firecracker'.
It seems that all this scenario would need is a little carelessness or ignorance on the part of the person who planned the exercise. All it takes is failing to clear the 'firecrackers' with a knowledgable fireman or safety consultant. I can certainly imagine that level of ignorance or carelessness from them.
So the terrorist exercise ends up killing people. The poiticians would want to cover that up ...
This explanation would seem to satisfy many of the discrepancies with the official tale -
Peter Power's comments about the strange coincidences between his exercises and real events.
The trouble the police have experienced in identifying the explosive used. There was no explosive residue because it was simply dust.
The incident of the floor being blown upwards into carriage body.
The problem that the alleged bombers could not have arrived at Kings Cross at the tiime claimed ...
It seems to match the witness accounts as well -- hot, dusty, oily smoke.
XXXX
Additional source
There was a report in the London 'Evening Standard' newspaper after the events. A tube driver said that amoung the passengers he escorted to safety were two that were wearing gasmasks. That suggests that they were expecting something - perhaps a lot of dispersed dust?
The article does not seem to be online any longer.
XXXX The bus bombing
The bus boming is different -
on a bus instead of a tube i.e. obvious
it was dramatic (think Hollywood)
it was about an hour later.
The bus bombing 'confirmed' all the exposions as 'suicide bombings' ...
XXXX
I finally came to these ideas after considering the personalities involved - what the different actors would do. The G8 conference was on.
frank
Peter Power is on record saying he was surprised that his fantasy events coincided with real events. Did the fantasy events cause the real events?
These exercises try to be as realistic as possible - even the emergency services are not told. Use of some sort of fire-cracker - maybe a detenator - could have been used to mimic the sound of a bomb.
There is a lot of dry, sooty dust in the London tubes which could have ignited after being disturbed. The dust is oily and sooty probably containing grease which has fallen from the tube carriages and engines. I have looked at some dust explosion stuff - most of it is to do with food processes e.g. corn dust. What is certain is that there was certainly a souce of ignition in addition to any original dispersal of the dust. A broken bearing or any spark is enough to detonate a dust explosion and there are plenty of sparks and ample evidence that the tubes are not maintained properly e.g. emergency braking system on the Northern line.
There are limits to the conditions needed for a dust explosion but they seem very loose. It seems to me that the conditions on the tube would / could have been ideal - the forward movement of the train would disperse the dust further once it had been dispersed by a 'firecracker'.
It seems that all this scenario would need is a little carelessness or ignorance on the part of the person who planned the exercise. All it takes is failing to clear the 'firecrackers' with a knowledgable fireman or safety consultant. I can certainly imagine that level of ignorance or carelessness from them.
So the terrorist exercise ends up killing people. The poiticians would want to cover that up ...
This explanation would seem to satisfy many of the discrepancies with the official tale -
Peter Power's comments about the strange coincidences between his exercises and real events.
The trouble the police have experienced in identifying the explosive used. There was no explosive residue because it was simply dust.
The incident of the floor being blown upwards into carriage body.
The problem that the alleged bombers could not have arrived at Kings Cross at the tiime claimed ...
It seems to match the witness accounts as well -- hot, dusty, oily smoke.
XXXX
Additional source
There was a report in the London 'Evening Standard' newspaper after the events. A tube driver said that amoung the passengers he escorted to safety were two that were wearing gasmasks. That suggests that they were expecting something - perhaps a lot of dispersed dust?
The article does not seem to be online any longer.
XXXX The bus bombing
The bus boming is different -
on a bus instead of a tube i.e. obvious
it was dramatic (think Hollywood)
it was about an hour later.
The bus bombing 'confirmed' all the exposions as 'suicide bombings' ...
XXXX
I finally came to these ideas after considering the personalities involved - what the different actors would do. The G8 conference was on.
frank
frank
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Do yourself a favour
25.11.2005 05:45
me
Introduction to Dust Explosions
25.11.2005 07:26
http://www.chemeng.ed.ac.uk/~emju49/SP2001/webpage/intro/intro.html
Introduction to Dust Cloud Explosions
In the last 20 years industrial dust explosions have accounted for several hundred deaths and hundreds of millions of dollars of insurance money and yet they are one of the least recognised of industrial fire hazards. They can occur within any process where a combustible dust is produced, and can be triggered by any energy source, including static sparks, friction and incandecent material.
frank
think about what you are saying
25.11.2005 07:58
there are so many open policies of the government and multinationals that are crimes against humanity that there is no need to make ludicrous claims. Think about what you are saying
Mat
matt
"There were no tube bombs. There were no suicide bombers."
25.11.2005 09:50
Frank Lee Scarlett
It was fart gas that caused the tube explosions.
25.11.2005 10:21
Conspiracies R us.
consider
25.11.2005 11:38
the SS blank out messages they don't want you to read.
and so, the majority of these comments do not support the allegation
Waltzing Matilda
Ah the openness of closed minded individuals
25.11.2005 17:56
Now I have to say that whilst I may not accept what it is that Frank has put forward for the simple matter its a highly unlikely option, its not a totally illogical sceniario.
And I think its rather nauseating and irritating to sit here and read a bunch of no-hoper "activists" berate another argument without actually thinking it through. And before anyone says they have, you havent, because if you did you would offered a logical argument to his scenario instead of your closed minded arrogance that shows just how sheep like and conformist you are.
Individuals my arse, go back to bed before mummy tells you off.
good day.
Red Gemini
IMCs Please wipe this entire thread
25.11.2005 18:50
a scientist
The Squeaky Rubbish Wheel Gets the Grease
25.11.2005 21:05
If there were not antagonists who join us at IndyMedia, I would be extremely grieved that initial postings such as this rubbish receive more posted responses than - say for example:
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/world/2005/11/328429.html
richard kobzey