Digery, you start your article with a photoshopped picture as if Sharon wants to burn the Palestinians in Sabra. For your information you ignoramus, it was CHRISTIANS who rampaged and killed the poor Muslims in Sabra and Shatilla. Get that in your thick head.

Next thing you spout off is: "Their new party, called ‘Selbst Alleine Zion". Excuse me, what crap. It's called "National Responsibility Party". Not that I'm in favour of it, but you would do well to stop gabbling nonsense.

Your next point: "Their future election would condemn Israel to years of suicide bombs and dead children. " Why? Why can the Palestinians not accept an election result in another country without going on murder sprees? And you call Sharon the psychopath???

Your most suicidal point: "All Israel has to do is withdraw from the West Bank, forget about Jerusalem and let the refugees from all of Palestine back to the West Bank with full compensation for their ethnic cleansing since 1948." Uh huh. If that is the case, why were wars launched against Israel before she held any of these territories? Do you actually intend that Israel consist of Tel Aviv by the Sea and that's it?

You state: "The Israelis can build another Jerusalem, like Solomon did, but this time beside the sea in Tel Aviv. " WHY should Israel have to rebuild her capital next to the sea??? Jerusalem has always been Jewish. It has always been where it is now. It was never Palestinian. Before Israel's existence it was under British Mandate and under Ottoman Empire rule. It was only clamed by the Palestinians AFTER 1967 when Israel won it. They were never interested in it before. No Moslem leader ever visited the Temple Mount between 1948 and 1967 when they were the rulers. On the contrary the Moslems destroyed every single synagogue in the Jewish Quarter and forbade Jewish prayer or presence at any of the Jewish holy places during that time, despite all their agreeements with the UN.

"They cannot forgive us for that. I know that". You're darned right there mate.

And now let's see how long my comment stays up (if it goes in at all) before the "unbiased" censors at Indymedia take it down. I'm betting on 10 minutes.

Possibly the most crass comment which has ever appeared on Indymedia!!!!!!!!!

Digery, you are so vacant that you make Twilight seem intelligent.

"That being what is now, Israel but was once Palestine."

Tha basic problem, is that ther NEVER was a "palestine".
in 1947, a "palestinian" was a Jew living in the region. All the other people were Arabs, claimed by Egypt, Syria or Trans Jordan.
The vast majority of "palestinians still hold Jordanina passports, because of the 20 year OCCUPATION of Judea and Samaria.
If "palestinians" were allowed the "right of return" most would have to go back to either: Egypt, Yemen, Algeria, Tunisia, Kuwait, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon etc.....

What Digery Cohen wrote was a bit heavy but he has got the right to his opinion.

However is are a few holes in his post.

I will mention the main one. He mentions about the holocaust and the Europeans blah blah blah.

Actually the most pro-peace and non-racist Jews in Israel are the European Germanic/Polish Jews. In general the Polish Jews vote for the Peace Parties while the Arab-Jews and Sephardi Jews vote for the right-wing. Of course this is not 100% true but in general the voting does lean that way.

Jeff,

Thanks for saying out loud what a lot of people in Tel Aviv are saying. Give the leaders of both sides some money to piss off and stop creating problems that don't exist half the time so they can contniue to justify their exisistence. And whille you are at it stop groups like the ISM with their trendy US and European know-it-all's who are part of the probelm not to mention Zionist nutcases from New York with similar ideas about the area but an opposing view of whose to blame.

"But there was no Israel either. My question is what gave Israel teh right to exist and why didnt the same people give Palestine teh right to exist"


The answer to that is quite simple. The UN offered partition, which would have creaed both Israel an a new Arab state. Israel accepted partition. The Arabs rejected partition, and instead chose the path of war. Trans-Jordan, which became a nation in 1947 attacked Israel, along with Syria, Iraq nd Egypt.
Trans Jordan captured and renamed Judea and Samaria...it became the "west bank". Jordan occupied the territories for 20 years, until they finally lost the territories during the Six Day War, anohter in a string of aggressive arab wars of anihilation..
So, had the Arabs accepted partition there would be a "palestinian state" today.
The basic problem of course is that Syria viewed all the land , including Israel, as greater Syria. The Trans-Jordanians viewed the land as part of the mega pan-Arab state.
Egypt invaded and captured the Gaza, Egypt, like Jordan annexed "palestinian" territory and occupoed the Gaza for 20 years.
There were no "palestininians" until the territories were lost by the Arab nations.

"The sooner the better. It is the most evil country that has ever existed and we would not have these problems in the World if it wasnt for that shitty country."

Once Israel is destroyed, there will be peace in the world. Just as there was before the UN created Israel in 1948.
We could then join hands with our Muslim brothers and sing Kumbaya in Arabic.
Peace out

Now that Indymedia censors deleted my first comment on this post (by the way I was pretty accurate in guessing that my comment would stay up only about 10 minutes, because it was a pro-Israel comment) I expect the censors to delete Ultra anarchist's comment too for being Nazi-like. Calling for Israel to be destroyed/wiped off the map is pure Nazism. You don't ask for any other country to be destroyed do you? It's always just the Jews. As far as you are concerned, get rid of the Jews and all will be well with the world.

Tough luck all of you. We aren't going anywhere.

Anti Semites the lot of you. And if this post gets deleted or not posted at all it will exactly prove my point.

I rest my case.

Dispute this where does it say I believe in countries. I just believe Israel should be wiped off the map. They are worse than the Nazis.

"Arafat has never been linked with the 2nd Intifada"


HA HA HA

Are you serious?

Arafat was 100% the cause of the 2nd Intifada


An Israeli government report states;

 http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/mfaarchive/2000_2009/2002/5/the+involvement+of+arafat-+pa+senior+officials+and.htm

Executive Summary

1. During Operation Defensive Shield, the IDF captured numerous documents (only some of which have so far been examined) and obtained much information from the questioning of captured terrorists. Both the documents and the information point at the direct and indirect involvement of Arafat, the Palestinian Authority (PA) and the Palestinian intelligence apparatuses in the operation of a well oiled system which engaged in the execution of terrorist attacks against Israel.

2. Throughout the years of the political process with Israel, Arafat preserved and developed the tool of violence (the non-eradication of the Hamas terror infrastructure, development of the military capabilities of the security forces and consolidation of the Tanzim as a means for activating the street, arming and preparing it for "D-Day"). Arafat also employed terrorism against Israel, in varying intensity, whenever he felt that the Oslo track was diverting from its course - as defined by the Palestinians. This, in the framework of Arafat's strategic concept which views terror as a legitimate tool for obtaining Palestinian national goals. Arafat, throughout his years of leadership, systematically combined political negotiations and violence, while determining the balance between the two according to the circumstances.

3. During the present confrontation, Arafat's employment of terrorism reached new peaks, while refraining from restraining the terror activity directed by the various organizations (Islamic and Fatah), he gave terrorism "free reign" (by releasing senior terrorists from prison and refrained from carrying out minimal counter-terrorist activity) and even encouraged terrorism (inciting the Palestinian population - the "Shahid speeches", financing and fostering terrorists).

4. The involvement of the PA and its leader Arafat, as evidenced in the documents and from questioning of captured terrorists, has three dimensions: The ideological dimension, which essentially means the sanctioning of lethal terrorist attacks (viewed as quality attacks which serve the PA's goals) and the use of terrorism as an important tool in promoting the Palestinians' goals vis-a-vis Israel; the financial dimension, continuous financing of the terrorist infrastructure, personally approved by Arafat and carried out by the PA civilian institutions, the heads of the PA security apparatuses and Arafat's associate (Fuad Shubaki); the practical dimension, involvement of the PA intelligence apparatuses, led by the General Intelligence, in direct and indirect assistance to the terror infrastructures and activities, including in the perpetration of lethal terrorist attacks inside Israel.

5. The captured documents prove unequivocally that the Fatah organization and the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades are one and the same and they cannot be separated. The documents clearly indicate that not only are the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades a pseudonym for terrorist attacks carried out by Fatah, but they are also a terrorist apparatus, which up until IDF operation Defensive Shield was in the process of institutionalization and intensification of its suicide and murderous attacks. The captured documents demonstrate that Arafat and other senior Fatah officials (Marwan Barghouti is of note) are the leaders of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and they finance its terror activities. According to one of the documents, Arafat is well aware of the negative implications of the terrorist attacks carried out by the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades at the time of General Zinni's stay in Israel, and the inclusion of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades in the US State Department's list of terror organizations. Therefore, he tried to deny that Fatah and the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades are identical, and distanced himself from them.

6. The terror supporting policy adopted by the PA enabled all terror groups, those directed affiliated to Fatah as well as opposition groups, to broaden and consolidate their infrastructure in the PA areas, while exploiting the civilian population for the terror infrastructure.

7. As in the past, now too, the terrorist activities inspired by Arafat are directed first and foremost against defenseless civilians. These attacks are designed to harm Israelis and Jews wherever they are, although there are victims of other nationalities too, including Arabs (such as Israeli Arabs) and foreign citizens of various nationalities.

8. In addition, corruption is rampant in the PA, it includes irregularities in the administration, management of the Palestinian economy by monopolies which enable the financial rewarding of senior PA officials and their families. In addition, the distribution of PA money amongst the Palestinian population was characterized by inequality and created large gaps between the majority of the Palestinian population and senior PA officials who enjoy a high standard of living, the expropriation of lands, and altering verdicts by bribery and threatening the lives of judges.




The Involvement of Arafat, PA Senior Officials and PA Security Apparatuses in Terrorism against Israel, Corruption and Crime

General

1. During Operation Defensive Shield, the IDF captured numerous documents (most of which have not yet been thoroughly examined) and at the same time, initial information has been obtained from the questioning of terrorists arrested during the operation. From the information which has already accumulated, the clear involvement of some senior PA officials - led by Arafat and the apparatuses - in direct and indirect terror activity has been unveiled. Arafat's strategic choice to take the route of terror for implementation of his political goals, was translated into practice by the formulation of the ideological dimension by Arafat and his senior officials, upon which the terrorist activity was based and thus gave a "license" to terrorism as an important component of PA policy in the struggle against Israel. This, at the same time as ongoing financing of the terror infrastructures with Arafat's personal approval and with the involvement of the PA intelligence apparatuses led by the General Intelligence, in direct and indirect financial aid to the terror infrastructures and activities, including for the perpetration of lethal terrorist attacks inside Israel.