"rocks, molotovs and baseball bats hospitalised upwards of 30 cops. Two cops were shot with live ammunition."

It fills my heart with joy to see cops getting back some of what they dish out.

There are very few things as amusing these days as watching the French grapple with their backyard intifada. The suburbs of Paris are now more dangerous than Jenin, and the French are getting their comeuppance for decades of snootiness, anti-American and anti-Israel agitprop, and decades of cowardice.

Paris is now being targeted by violent rioting hordes. For years the French accused American racism of having produced the race riots of the 60s and 70s in the US, as well as the Los Angeles riots after the Rodney King business. And the French are sure that only Jewish cussedness and just plain Israeli evil lie behind the behavior of the Palestinian pogromchiki. The Gall of Dem Gauls!

Well, now that the French are experiencing their own intifada, we suggest that they resolve the problem using the very same plan that they have been trying for decades to impose upon Israel.

Yes, comrades, it is time to implement the Land for Peace Plan, Paris style. Here it is:

The French Solution: Land for Peace

So after leading the Solidarity-with-the-Baathists movement in Europe during the recent Gulf War, France now enjoys its own intifada by urban Moslem resistance fighters in suburban Paris! Of course, this is all on top of France's long history of supporting Islamist fascism and Palestinian terrorism.

A few years back during a trip to Israel, French prime minister Lionel Jospin urged Israel to make concessions for peace. More interesting yet, in documents relating to his visit, Jerusalem was called the ''capital of the Palestinian Authority.'' And what do the French consider to be the capital of Israel? Tel Aviv, of course. A few years later, French President Jacques Chirac used the occasion of his visit in 1996 to announce that ''Syria has a moral right to demand return of the Golan Heights.''

These French politicians may be on to something important. Never one to back down from a challenge, I have prepared a set of proposals for consideration by the French people, so that they not only can preserve peace in Parisian suburbia, but also can achieve a full, lasting, and just peace with their urban resistance opponents.

First, until this plan is implemented in full, we must insist that the French government acknowledge that there is no military or police solution to the problems of violence in its suburbs and only through recognizing the legitimacy of the demands of the murderers and rioters outside Paris can the problems be resolved.

Second, we all agree that territory must not be annexed by force. Therefore, we can also agree that Germany has a moral right to demand the return of Alsace-Lorraine, for the French aggression in 1945 and its consequent occupation must not be rewarded. ''A full withdrawal for full peace'' should operate here. Further, France must agree to the return and rehabilitation of all ethnic Germans expelled from Alsace-Lorraine after World Wars I and II, as well as all those they define as their descendents.

But this, of course, is just the first step toward a solution, as no aggression can be rewarded and France has much other stolen territory to return. It took Corsica from Genoa, Nice and Savoy from Piedmont; as the successor state, Italy must get back all these lands. By similar token, territories grabbed from the Habsburgs go back to Austria, including Franche-Comte, Artois, and historical Burgundy. The Roussillon area (along the Pyrenees) must be returned to Spain, its rightful owner. And Normandy, Anjou, Aquitaine, and Gascony must be returned to their rightful owners,
the British royal family.

Not even this is enough for the sake of peace. Brittany and Languedoc must be granted autonomy at once, recognizing the Breton and Occitan Liberation organizations as their legal rulers. This leaves the French government in control over the Ile de France (the area around Paris).

That, however, still does not solve the problem of the Holy City of Paris, sacred to artists, gourmets, and adulterers. The Corsicans obviously have a historical claim to the Tomb of the Emperor Napoleon, their famed son, as well as the Invalides complex and beyond. For the sake of peace, is it not too much to ask that Paris be the capital for two peoples? The French authorities must agree to prevent French Parisians from even entering the sacred tomb area, lest this upset the Corsicans.

The Saint Chapelle and the Church of Notre Dame, of course, will be internationalized, under joint Vatican-art historical auspices. Indeed, the French should consider it a compliment of the highest order that so many people see Paris as an international city.

The French have nothing to complain about. They will enjoy the benefits of peace and retain control of the Champs Elysees.

Actually, come to think of it, even the Champs Elysees may be too much. Recalling the French position that Jerusalem is not the capital of Israel, perhaps the true French capital is not Paris at all, but Vichy.

Quote: "Over 390 people arrested." GOOD! I hope they all get ten years each! These brutal thugs have caused millions of pounds worth of damage and terrorised and injured scores of innocent people! How hospitals and schools could have been built for the millions in damage they have caused?

Yep, as sure as eggs is eggs, such stories cause the racist and the just plain stupid to emerge from their holes with the usual lumbering bullshit posing as comment and satire.

quote/Quote: "Over 390 people arrested." GOOD! I hope they all get ten years each! These brutal thugs have caused millions of pounds worth of damage and terrorised and injured scores of innocent people! How hospitals and schools could have been built for the millions in damage they have caused?end quote/

Well it cost in the U.K. 37,000 pounds a years to hold somebody in jail....so ten years....well please send the tax bill to the silly person above..

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable."

France is a little overdue for revolution.

Bring it on!

How terribly inconvenient to have more than one point of view expressed on this page?

Like they did with that brazillian...... and whatever happened to your.."All we are saying is give peace a chance" ???? lmao.

''Justice Minister Pascal Clement was visibly shaken after being briefed about a handicapped woman in her 50s who was badly burned on Wednesday evening when rioters poured petrol on a city bus she was riding in and set it ablaze.''

- http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051104/wl_nm/france_riots_dc_25;_ylt=AjbN674cORnk2tjRwP.YMKLgelIB;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

How can you support the actions of people who are willing to kill 50 year old handicapped women?

It is a truly bad situation if innocent (read non cops) are injured or even killed like we have with the 61 year man from saint denis. But we should go beyond hegemonising the rioters and it should side track the revolutionary potential against state control which is un-folding in the ghettos of france. I say revolutionary in the context of it actually break the mindset of control which the state determines on a daily basis. That has nothing to do with condoning the killing/injuring of non-cops. there might be ( I assume) dozens of more situations where the "mob/racaille" have acted against the deterministic views of the moral pundits of the media and helped or consciously stopped more innocents getting lynched. If indeed this is a possible of what has happened then it might show a different, diverse side to the violence that has accurred. remember toxteth 1981, rioters (read people) defending old peoples homes..etc.

The truth will come out when it is no longer dangerous

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>> How can you support the actions of people who are willing to kill 50 year old handicapped women?

How can you prove that all the rioters are willing to kill innocent people?

They're fighting the worst effects of a capitalist system that systematically murders thousands of innocents and calls it collateral damage.

As for burning cars, good. A better climate for future generations.

You say this is part of the battle against capitalism, but what alternative to capitalism in the entire history of the world has ever worked? How can you destroy capitalism if you have nothing to replace it with? The population of the world relies on capitalism to provide them with jobs, housing, clothing, education, healthcare, food and water. Destroy capitalism without any workable alternative and you are cutting your own throat!

Voice of reason for once asked a decent question. Lets hope its not a one off.

1st of all the alternative to capitalism that many of us want is a world controlled by the people who produce the wealth. and thats the workers.

2nd we dont wan to work on a profit maximisation formula but on a formula that focuses on social benefit

3rd there has been no system that has worked in the past yet but statistically capitalism hasnt worked either. The only thing it has achieved is to have 80% of the world living on under 2$ a day and the largest inequality of wealth distribution the world has ever seen. And dont go telling me your typical shit about China being communist and accounting for 1/3 of the worlds population coz chinas about as capitalist as the US

Yes we need a new system and yes I believe we have the right alternative to this piece of shit.

Typical. . .

Muslim and black youths in France rise up against institutional racism from the state and suddenly all the middle-class-parent-white-boy anarchists start shouting "THE REVOLUTION IS NIGH!!", "FIGHT CAPITALISM!!!", "VIVA LA. . . ISLAM?".

Get over yourselves, its embarrassing. These people aren't anarchists most of them probably don’t know what an anarchist is; they probably think it’s a type of vegetable or a fashion label! It’s a sad thing but political Islam is a far larger movement than the global anarchic one, do you guys even register on the political monitor? where are you? Just below Maosim and just above Nihilism?

These people are fighting for equality, not to over throw capitalism. Let them fight their battle, the way they want too. Its sick (truly sick!) when other political groups jump on the bandwagon of someone else’s cause. People complain about the Stalinist Worker Party being reactionary and hijacking other people's causes, but hey, small fries compared to the Anarchist!

Get a life, start your own riots

I'm not sure if anyone will ever convince me that Israeli soldiers behave well...

....but that was one of the funniest and best-written satirical things I've ever seen on Indymedia.

Actually all people are saying is that its the effects of the capitalist system that has caused them to go out and riot in such numbers and not that they are after a new system.

Capitalism has caused

Poverty amongst them
low grade education
Bad housing
and Isolation amongst other things.

They might not be fighting for an end to this system but in analysis it is this system that has brought them to this point of eruption.

You cant read v well can you.

I can't quite believe how much bullshit is on this page.

France shows solidarity with the Bathists for not ATTACKING IRAQ? France may have had selfish reasons for not supporting the conflict, but their support for Saddam pales in insignificance when compared to that of the US and UK.

Killing and injuring cops - most people seem to think this is an acceptable thing. HOW? I'm not an anarchist, and I hope that this is not the common opinion of true anarchists, but this violent rock throwing bullshit doesnt stop capitalism or anything of the sort. Yes, these minorities have reason to be angry, yes, perhaps this is not simply the work of thugs, but overall, violence is an activists enemy.

Burning cars, good for the environment? NO. Most cars are insured, you are helping them with production. You are making the political left look like fucking yobs. The pollution caused by burning a car is akin to driving one around for years.

There's probably more, but I cant see the page, so I'll leave it there for now.

Violence never helps? All you need to do is look at struggles that have taken place throughout history to see that in many cases it does help. Like the Cuban Revolution. What did you think? they kneeled before Batista and begged him to leave the country? Even in France the revolution of of 1779 was violent.
As for the PIGS. All over the world PIGS abuse authority and get away with it. In Britain they shot a man 8times in the head for looking a bit dark and they got away with it, Theyve also increased the checks on blacks and Muslims by over 500% since 2001 for 'anti terror purposes' and have tens of people who are most likely innocent in prison without charges being read to them. in the US they use the shoot to kill policy on Blacks every time they can, and yes in France they detain Immigrants beat them up, allow them to fight with eachother for a little food while they protect the white middle/Upper class people who are responsible for the wealth distribution innequalities, and if you read why the riots started in the first place it was because policemen chasing 2 frightened teenagers are blamed for their deaths as a result and once again got away with it.

Should the riots also target the police. Ithink so v much.

I never said violence never helps.

The examples you give were violent revolutions because there was no other means of combatting the injustice.

I find it unbearably frustrating to take what you say seriously. This is, according to some, a racial issue. Racism is judging people based on how they look and what group they are a part of. The police are not one giant capitalist SS. They do not all have the same opinions. They are not responsible for the actions of other police officers, especially those in other countries. Throwing rocks and bombs at them doesnt help any of the people capitalism oppresses. None.

What planet am I from? If you truly believe that 2 weeks of burning cars and the like is the sole work of class warriors, then it is you who is living on Neptune. It's mob mentality, and whatever justice-based reasons some may have had for engaging in or starting all this, there are undoubtedly violent twats taking part because they know they will get away with it.

"The advocates of violence insist that their aggression is insignificant by comparison to the violence of global capitalism. This is true, but it’s hard to see how it could be construed as a justification. I have heard activists condemn the continued bombing of Iraq on the grounds that violence of this kind will only hurt the people it is supposed to protect, then go on to advocate attacking the police as a means of saving the world. If, as they argue, advanced capitalism is the most violent of all political systems, then violent conflict with that system is surely doomed to fail."

I agree that police dont all share the same opinions. But why has no policeman ever come out to condemn the realities of police brutality? French police see the unjust treatment of Immigrants by their colleagues on a daily basis. Do they speak out? do they protest? No they choose to turn a blind eye. I have no sympathy towards the Police and they can get what they deserve. and dont try giving me a typical theyre just doing what theyre told excuse coz then what ur saying is they dont know right from wrong and they are robots or a product of the establishment just like troops that go to other countries just coz they are told to in which case it dont matter whether theyre alive or dead coz they got no brains.

I agree that police dont all share the same opinions. But why has no policeman ever come out to condemn the realities of police brutality? French police see the unjust treatment of Immigrants by their colleagues on a daily basis. Do they speak out? do they protest? No they choose to turn a blind eye. I have no sympathy towards the Police and they can get what they deserve. and dont try giving me a typical theyre just doing what theyre told excuse coz then what ur saying is they dont know right from wrong and they are robots or a product of the establishment just like troops that go to other countries just coz they are told to in which case it dont matter whether theyre alive or dead coz they got no brains.

I dont know of any specific incidents where French police spoke out against their countries racism. But it's impossible to believe that none of them have questioned it, protested it, even in small circles. Just because they are police doesn't mean their voice is any bigger than ours, they have their own bosses and undesirable opinions just get stamped on like anywhere else in the media. I'm not a huge fan of police authority, but lets face it, the UK has reportedly massive racism problems in its police force (particularly Manchester, where I live) and you still cant tell me that none of them became police because they wanted to HELP people, not oppress them.

Many of them probably do not think about these issues, do not really care, will happily do what they're told till they die. Who does that sound like? It sounds like the general populace, massively. Do the general public warrant being killed simply because they can "get what they deserve"? Because it "it dont matter whether theyre alive or dead coz they got no brains."?

A BBC story today: "Petrol bombs were also thrown at a mosque in the southern town of Carpentras during prayers on Friday, causing minor damage." -  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4430540.stm - proving my point that this is not a clean cut class or racial war, some people are just enjoying being violent, because thats what humanity is like.

It's been interesting conversing with you, and I'm glad it has ended without blows. Perhaps some good will come of this, perhaps people will be forced to consider how their country treats blacks and Muslims - but only if there are words to back this violence up. If not, racism will no doubt get worse.