are these ladies and gentlemen members of the environmental movement? what movement would that be? your movement? the ngo movement? the be green cuz it sales environental movement? the make climate change history movement? the keep britain green and tidy rape cheaper natural resources for british capitalism from a banana republic movement? the after the election it'll all be green and cheap movement? the organic food only for the rich and fair skinned movement ? the slow melting pot business as usual, another manifesto point looks good get in power take money from business and do dialog and positive engagement with industry voluntary measures selfregulation corporate responsability anything goes save the baby seals send cows to africa movement ? the woolie bollox movement!

oh, no, wait! the movement of marchers and protesters of bush is bad and blair is bad and mr smith is stupid cuz he doesnt switch the lights off the forgot 2 blame uk industry -again-, the crusties will come when we need them movement.... the capitalise on the best posible political outcome movement of sellout movements ? the why dont you apply for planning permission to hang yourselves from a million pound capitalist wind generator and stop emmitting hot air of 'green' capitalism bollox movement?


the vertical green , elitist, begger-lobbyist movement? the movement that shouldn't be called a movement but marchment and a lobbyment



ah! shit! THAT movement?

dear lobbyment: what have 20 years of YOU 'campaigning' and lobbying brought us?

uh?

a cleaner environment? a safer future? safer world?

naaaao, a new class? the mild,clean concience high value privatised but 'organic' northern ngo class as seen on tv during g8 2005. blah blah blah. a new church. the chuch of self importance self delusion that BELIEVES that industry and power will change. that the market can be ok. a deisempowering, patronising gimme your money and i will do something about it -only that i will not, but i wont tell you in your face, what'd be the point of making loose, you HOPE and me CASH - church. the 'i must keep myself alive movement - look busy '.

movement. kyoto is a con. you turned it into a nice word. your paradise. it sucks. it kills. you have turned into parasites. the kyoto protocol kills, but you cant dig yoursleves out of that pool of quick shit now, can you? but you will do the best to keep the powerful in power as long as they dont fuck things in you front gardens. you know better too.... you like to control other movements.

real problem is... your 'movement' is the only public face that we have! HA! HA! FUCKING HA!

make 'green' capitalism history. YOU and your masters AGAINST US.


from the chilliest pocket of the forest, the fairies are furious... remember, remember fuck your 3rd of december.

 https://www1.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/world/2003/12/282567.html

Did they invite Speakers from Earth First! or for Greenwar? Is the meeting just political gobbledegook. The last meeting of Greenwar that was advertised was twelve miles out of Swansea, some years ago. Aviation incidents described then are begining to occur. Too damn late!

 http://www.risingtide.org.uk

Fairies should not be made so furious that they use the word for the most delightful of human activities as an obscenity. Another black mark for the Politicians.

Had the Politicians listened to The Global Commons Institute when they started, there might have been a chance, Had they acted properly when Rising Tide started there might have been a hope. Today the consensus seems to be that there is no alternative to Drink and Drugs. It is probably too late for any action to save us all from mass extinction.

The wrecking of the Military-Financial-Industrial Complex immediately just might enable a recovery. As no Politician or Economist has tackled that in any way, the sooner they are all strung up, and a natural society allowed to evolve, the better. - There are many Nations that have caught the disease, some have perished from it, others are still suffering from it, but none can be said to have suffered the infection and recovered from it. - The man was talking about the diease Civilisation!

Note that this meeting is in Swansea where the political vermin, aided by Swansea University, covered up and hid the grim warning to the world left by the Swansea Valley Industrialists

I have just read the comments about my posting on the climate change meeting in Swansea on sunday13th November. Whoa fellows!! What a bunch of miserablists! For god sake do not feel obliged to come to the meeting .
Of course everyone is welcome and it is open to all concerned about climate change whether she works for the university which is Swansea's biggest employer or is a car mechanic over in Briton Ferry.Nope, come along because it is only by working together to put pressure on Bush and Blair and all the other so called "masters of the universe "that we can ever hope of winning a better world. Furious fairies can come too but bring wands these are desperate times and they will be needed!
Bertie

Wow, thats harsh.

Personally, I dont think its too late ( although nearly ).
But I think its getting too late to hold civilised meetings, write to your MP and do a little light recycling.

Frankly that wont cut it anymore (although I applaud those that *at least* do that).
and I dont think that attacking those that care about the issue is gonna help anyone - although it might make you feel better about yourself.
Save your anger for those that are too dumb to give a crap or consciously choose to ignore the situation.

At what point do we start actual action ?

Forget Demos to desperately catch the attention of disinterested corrupt corporate owned polititians, they've already proved themselves corrupt or just plain innefectual.
When do we start knocking down pylons, physically stopping polluters and shutting down motorways until "they" are FORCED to wake up and act in the long term benefit of us all ?

After all, its only the future of our species we're pissing away.
I really dont think that theres *anything* more important than the environment.
You can rant all you like for a communist/socialist/marxist/leninist/anarchist/leftist/rightist/anti-war/pro-war/luddite or technological utopia, but on a semi-dead flooded and quite possibly famine struck planet there'll be no-one around to give a shit.

I find it stunning that today, the BBC reports that some are worried that sticking to kyoto (innefectual or whatever who cares) would cause a 3% shrinkage in some economies.
Are we not generally rich enough already in western europe that we cant risk a devastating 3% shring in economy (/sarcasm) to at least *try* and save our sorry ass species !

Makes me wonder if we're worth saving at all sometimes.

Sure, I havent done any of the above either, but the clock is ticking for humanity.