Quote : "George Bush’s discredited `war on terror ` is unpopular the whole world over. It is now even opposed by the majority of American people who see the attack on Iraq as a `mistake`"

No they don't! The majority of American people know that the war on terrorism is neccessary after America was attacked on September the 11th 2001! What else was America supposed to do after being attacked on September 11th? Just sit back and wait for the next attack? Remember America was attacked first!

why are people posting such reactionary
political correct blair junta appeasing views???

hey its your point i suppose but

what with all that money being made
from the Arms to the securi tech industry

these 'terrorists' should really play those markets

because they are helping Bush-Cheneys-Saudi oil-pharma
greed cartel

[like the Movie 'totall recall in the Mars ghetto with all
Utility held under a Juntas whim]

while also sending stocks seering
for the Carlyles groups QinetiQ
[rumours of Blair joining these spooks
after he goes]

amongst many other
DAARPA / QinetiQ projects such as


armed autonomous drones
on land Air sea & space
[a 'predator' killed 11 last month in Iraq
first used for bombing 2001]
[with the USAF eventually
becoming a total 'space force']

millimetre radar - [like the Movie 'totall recall']
[which is to be trailed soon in railways and Airports]

Geo fenced areas and satellite tagging
via ID CARD or DNA chip
[cashless society]

only those who have worked enough hours
will be allowed anywhere near the 'goodies'
[everyones such happy shoppers]

citizens are now consumers
nation state becomes corporation
[for a clue see the original movie 'rollerball'
with James Caan]



do a google on 'new anti terror laws'

and notice worrying draconian police statism
is happening globally under a pretext
of The war on Terror

those terrorists sure are
helping the
Global police state agenda


aren't they?

Dear `Voice of Reason`,
First of all is there any chance you could reveal your true identity? My true identity is Paul O'Hanlon and I live in Edinburgh where I am a member of the local Stop the War.
Yes, someone attacked the USA on September 11th 2001 - question is by whom?
Certainly not Iraq - Saddam had no connections with Al Qaeda which was his mortal enemy and none of the 19 hijackers were Iraqi. How could September 11th have happened with all the safeguards that are in place? The 4 planes were out of control for 35 minutes and yet the F16s weren't scrambled to intercept the planes? Why not? This is standard procedure and does not require Presidential Authority. How come building number 7 in the World Trade Centre complex collapsed when it was not struck by a plane? In Washington DC how is it that the size of the hole in the side of the Pentagon is smaller than that which would have been made by the 737 jet which is supposed to have crashed into it? These questions need to be answered.
Is Iraq a democracy? 82% of the poulation wants the occupation to leave according to the recent MOD poll. In a democracy the people’s wishes would be respected.
Best, Paul.

"Remember America was attacked first"

Nonsense. Read your history before making such erroneous comments.

Derek Lane

Oh Paul,

You were doing so well until you started the 9/11 conspiracy stuff mate.


Yer Pal,

Bob MacFadzean. Fae Bathgate. If, as it appears, real names are important to you.

The anti-war movement needs to wake up to the very strong possibility that the United States will attack Iran and/or Syria. I just read the Socialist Worker (forgive me) where Alex Callinicos states that he does not believe America will attack Iran or Syria.
Firstly the American don't have to invade Iran they have enough airpower to totally destabilise Iran under the pretext of targeting nuclear facilities. And remember what airpower did to Iraq during the 1st Gulf War, killing 200,000 Iraqis and destroying the infrastructure, which allowed the sanctions to kill over a million people.
The Americans also have a navy that could enter the Persian Gulf and bombard Iran with cruise and tomahawk missiles.
With Syria they are currently massing along the border and destroying towns and villages. There have also been airstrikes within Syria. They seem to be gradually escalating the conflict along the border. An attack against Syria would obviously also include Israel.
Wake up! Stop WWIII!

Thats where most people are wrong. Yes Iraq and Al Qaeda were mortal enemies, but remember the Hilter Stalin pact. A similar pact existed between Iraq and Al Qaeda, thats why Al Qaeda never bombed Iraq yet bombed numerous American targets. There were also many reported contacts between Al Qaeda operatives and the Iraqi secret service.

Quote : "TOP U.S. OFFICIALS linked Iraq and al Qaeda in newspaper op-eds, on talk shows, and in speeches. But the most detailed of their allegations came in an October 7, 2002, letter from CIA director George Tenet to Senate Intelligence chairman Bob Graham and in Secretary of State Colin Powell's February 5, 2003, presentation to the United Nations Security Council.

The Tenet letter declassified CIA reporting on weapons of mass destruction and Iraq's links to al Qaeda. Two sentences on WMD garnered most media attention, but the intelligence chief's comments on al Qaeda deserved notice. "We have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and al Qa'ida going back a decade," Tenet wrote. "Credible information indicates that Iraq and al Qa'ida have discussed safe haven and reciprocal non-aggression. Since Operation Enduring Freedom [in Afghanistan], we have solid evidence of the presence in Iraq of al Qa'ida members, including some that have been in Baghdad. We have credible reporting that al Qa'ida leaders sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire WMD capabilities. The reporting also stated that Iraq has provided training to al Qa'ida members in the areas of poisons and gases and making conventional bombs." In sum, the letter said, "Iraq's increasing support to extremist Palestinians, coupled with growing indications of a relationship with al Qa'ida, suggest that Baghdad's links to terrorists will increase, even absent US military actions."

 http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/033jgqyi.asp

G'day Boab I was wondering if I could just take up a little bit of you time and explain, in a nutshell, what exactly
you mean by conspiracy theory stuff, I am led to believe by commentators on IMC that Conspiracy theorists are people who try top make out that the world is run by freemasons,
The reason they do this is because they are antisemitic due to the fact that all freemasons are jews.
In other words conspiracy theorists are a bunch of right wing scum bag nazis who will do anything to get at the Jews. One of the first things that conspiracy theorists try to lay on the unsuspecting sheeple is that the
Bilderberg group, G8 steering committee, is along with the council of Foriegn Relations (CFR) are part of the
Da Vinci Code, a novel by Dan Brown.

But lets get back to this post you say that Paul is doing OK until he starts up on the Conspiracy theory stuff,
Lets take it point by point .

1) Yes, someone attacked the USA on September 11th 2001 - question is by whom?

go on Boab your the boy for the one liners, in fact it seems you only have one line in yer !

2) Certainly not Iraq - Saddam had no connections with Al Qaeda which was his mortal enemy and none of the 19 hijackers were Iraqi.

nothing theoretical here

3) How could September 11th have happened with all the safeguards that are in place?

exercise exercise exercise, there were a lot going on at the time

a) The 4 planes were out of control for 35 minutes and yet the F16s weren't scrambled to intercept the planes?

they were out on strike that day, one had a flat tyre, the pilots was sick err wot's your view boab ?

b) Why not? This is standard procedure and does not require Presidential Authority.

despite sepending millions of billions on the latest war toys the USA is completely undefended before 09:30
in the morning ?


4) How come building number 7 in the World Trade Centre complex collapsed when it was not struck by a plane.

it just fell down in sympathy with the other two, or was it the super hot five star benzin that melted the two and a half inch thick girders in the near vicinity of the neighbour

5) In Washington DC how is it that the size of the hole in the side of the Pentagon is smaller than that which would have been made by the 737 jet which is supposed to have crashed into it?

so they say ..

6) Who attacked America on September 11th?

7) Pearl Harbour buddy !!!

well there doesn't seem to be a whif of freemasonic banter, anti jewish nastness nor for that matter
is bilderberg mentioned. Just a series of facts regarding the strange circumstances regarding the collapse of three of the largest buildings in New york and the failure of the worlds most powerfull and only super power to to stop it happening .

06.11.2005 15:48

Dear `Voice of Reason`,
First of all is there any chance you could reveal your true identity? My true identity is Paul O'Hanlon and I live in Edinburgh where I am a member of the local Stop the War.
Yes, someone attacked the USA on September 11th 2001 - question is by whom?
Certainly not Iraq - Saddam had no connections with Al Qaeda which was his mortal enemy and none of the 19 hijackers were Iraqi. How could September 11th have happened with all the safeguards that are in place? The 4 planes were out of control for 35 minutes and yet the F16s weren't scrambled to intercept the planes? Why not? This is standard procedure and does not require Presidential Authority. How come building number 7 in the World Trade Centre complex collapsed when it was not struck by a plane? In Washington DC how is it that the size of the hole in the side of the Pentagon is smaller than that which would have been made by the 737 jet which is supposed to have crashed into it? These questions need to be answered.
Is Iraq a democracy? 82% of the poulation wants the occupation to leave according to the recent MOD poll. In a democracy the people’s wishes would be respected.
Best, Paul.
Paul O'Hanlon
e-mail:  o_hanlon@hotmail.com

Iran is a terrorists sponsoring state their government deserves whatever they get

Iran doesnt sponsor Britain OR the US so Rex your accusations are false

'In Washington DC how is it that the size of the hole in the side of the Pentagon is smaller than that which would have been made by the 737 jet which is supposed to have crashed into it?'

In real life, when an aircraft hits a substantial reinforced concrete structure, it does not leave a cartoon like outline of the whole plane in the wall you know. The fact that the hole was smaller than the pre-obliterated plane is hardly conclusive proof that something other than an aircraft hit the Pentagon.

Well Masonic Youth, that's quite a tirade.

Lets be frank. Conspiracy theorists are by and large a bunch who seek to blame world events as some part of grand scheme by secretive organisations. The Illuminati. G8. The Freemasons. Majestic 12. As far as I've seen, their theories are long on unsupported conjecture and short on facts. Scotland has more chance of winning the World Cup than these clowns have of getting it right.

Now I think you're trying to finger the Freemasons here, and I love that suggestion that they're all Jews - it had me laughing for a while - but it might just be a shoddy attempt at sarcasm so I'll let it go. For now.

As for your questions...

1. Still to see a reliable argument, best on the table remains Al-Q due to the unsupported flim-flam the conspiracy theorists put about.

2. Don't disagree. Try reading Michael Moore, he says the same thing.

3. And what safeguards would those be, then? Expert on USAF scramble times and military prcedures are you? How often have the Yanks intercepted planes in the last 10 years then. On you go, flesh that one out a bit more.

4. Oh no, the old steel doesn't melt crap. I'll just give you a link to another thread:

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/10/326074.html

5. Mr. Quimby is right, you are wrong.

6. See question 1, above. I assume you think it was Bush or his cronies?

7. Aha. Claiming that was a set-up too, eh?



5.

Voice of reason Putting ! after every thing you write does not give it any argumentative weight and is really sad. Don’t quote CIA reports – they mean Jack Shit remember. No WMD found in Iraq after the invasion. Finally don’t quote the Weekly Standard – it’s a pile of shit and everybody knows it.

As Seymour Hersh of The New Yorker has recently detailed, the US is already running Black Ops into Iran from the neighbouring 'Stans, just as they're running military operations into Syria from Iraq.

Shades of Laos/Cambodia.

Guess they found something to do with the BILLIONS they stole from the Iraqi people ...

Thanks for this contribution Paul. The possibility of more wars are just around the corner.

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