MEDIA RELEASE: Prosecution of George W. Bush for Torture
Gail davidson/Counterpunch | 21.10.2005 20:00 | Anti-militarism | Repression
Prosecution of George W. Bush
for
Torture at Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo Bay Prisons
Plus related newspaper article
for
Torture at Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo Bay Prisons
Plus related newspaper article
MEDIA RELEASE: Prosecution of George W. Bush for Torture
by G. Davidson/Counterpunch Friday October 21, 2005 at 12:52 PM
Prosecution of George W. Bush for Torture at Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo Bay Prisons Notification of Canadian Officials Plus newspaper story
MEDIA RELEASE: Prosecution of George W. Bush for Torture
by ccnwon
Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 11:13:43 AM PDT
World Exclusive
MEDIA RELEASE
October 19, 2005
Prosecution of George W. Bush
for
Torture at Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo Bay Prisons
Notification of Canadian Officials
Lawyers against the War (L.A.W.) learned Nov 17, 2004 that George W. Bush was coming to Canada on Nov 30, 2004. During this period L.A.W. wrote to various governmental ministers advising of them that George W. Bush stood accused of the most grave crimes known to law, including torture, and therefore should be denied entry to Canada. L.A.W. notified the Prime Minister, the Immigration Minister and the Attorney General of Canada that these accusations were made by credible and knowledgeable groups and individuals throughout the world.
L.A.W. advised the Ministers that GW Bush's responsibility derives from his direct involvement in the formulation of policy as both the President as well as the Commander in Chief of U.S. Armed Forces. They were informed that GW Bush had failed to prevent the commission of and once discovered, then failed to stop these Crimes Against Humanity through willful blindness or by deliberate policy.
L.A.W. received no reply to any of these letters and George W. Bush entered Canada on November 30th 2004.
Filing the Charges
AN INFORMATION:
Is the testimony of an individual to the courts that an offence has been committed.
When an information is laid by a private person, the Justice of the Peace, must refer to information to a judge for a hearing to determine whether to compel the appearance of the accused.
The appearance of the accused would be compelled by an arrest warrant or a notice to appear if the information is supported by `reasonable grounds'.
The Attorney General is entitled to attend this process hearing and to test the evidence and grounds presented by the informant.
On Nov 30, 2004, Gail Davidson, co-chair of L.A.W. filed an information charging GW Bush of aiding, abetting and counselling the commission of torture at Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo Bay prisons.
The information was accepted and filed in the Provincial Court of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C. under court file number 128960-1. Because the Justice of the Peace failed to refer to information to a judge for a process hearing, Davidson attended at the Courthouse on December 2nd to request a court date and was advised to attend in court on December 6th at which time a date for the trial would be set.
Lower Court
NULLITY:
An act or proceeding in a cause which the opposite party can treat as though it had not taken place, or which has absolutely no legal force or effect. - Black's Law Dictionary, 4th Ed.
On Dec 6th the Crown Prosecutor advised the judge that..
"we will not be simply fixing a date...The Crown is making an application that this information [charging Bush with torture] is a nullity."
On the request of counsel for the Attorney General of B.C., Judge Kitchen ordered the public and the press from the courtroom over the objections of Charlie Smith, then news editor of the Georgia Straight newspaper, and then locked and `sealed' the courtroom.
Judge Kitchen proceeded to hear the Crown's application and dismissed the information as a nullity on the basis that,
"...Mr. Bush is President of the United States, which I concluded is alleging that he is the head of state of the United States, and as such he does have immunity from prosecution under the criminal laws of Canada." (Transcript page 21 ll. 9-12)
and
"...as far as the jurisdiction under the Criminal Code, I conclude that the concept of diplomatic immunity still applies." (Transcript page 21 ll. 21-23)
The judge then allows publication of his decision, while banning publication of the proceedings, transcript as well as all exhibits or documents.
Davidson and L.A.W. filed an application for review of Judge Kitchen's decisions in the Supreme Court of British Columbia.
(Gail Davidson and Lawyers against the War v. Attorney General of British Columbia, Supreme Court of British Columbia, Vancouver Registry No. 23447.)
Publication Ban Issue
On Aug 25, 2005, an appeal was heard by Justice Dohm on the legality of the orders banning publication and sealing the courtroom. In this proceeding the British Columbia Civil Liberties Association (BCCLA) was granted intervener status. The Attorney General of British Columbia requested a continuation of the interim ban on publication of the trial until the issue was decided for good.
Without hearing submissions from either Davidson or the BCCLA, the judge made an interim order banning any "publication and disclosure of the name, office or anything tending to identity the proposed defendant in this proceedings and the nature of any proposed charges".
On Sept 29, the publication ban issue was before Justice Satanove, who directed counsel for the Attorney General of B.C. to provide written submissions by Oct 14, as to why a publication ban was required and to notify the media.
Counsel for the Attorney General of B.C. neither filed written submissions nor gave notice to the media and on October 17, 2005, withdrew the application for a continuing publication ban and consented to orders;
o terminating the interim publication ban made by Mr. Justice Dohm August 25th 2005, and
o terminating and setting aside the publication ban issued by Judge Kitchen of the Provincial Court of British Columbia on December 6th 2004.
Supreme Court
MOOT:
An issue which cannot be settled by judicial decisions
- Black's Law Dictionary
The issue of whether or not diplomatic immunity provides a head of state with absolute immunity from prosecution is a point that has never been argued before a Canadian court.
The Crown is now objecting that the Supreme Court does not have the ability to review the decision of Judge Kitchen because the issues are moot. The Crown seems to indicate that their mootness argument is based on the fact that the Attorney General of Canada has failed to consent to the prosecution of George Bush.
Section 7(7) of the Criminal Code of Canada states that the prosecution cannot continue without the consent of the Attorney General of Canada within eight days of filing. The time for the Attorney General's consent stopped when Judge Kitchen declared the information a nullity.
LAW is confident that the Attorney General will consent to the prosecution after reviewing the evidence upon which the charges are based.
Moot Hearings
The Attorney General of B.C. has been ordered to produce written submissions on the mootness issue by October 28, 2005 and that issue will be argued on November 25th 2005, at 10:00 a.m. at the B.C. Supreme Court, 800 Smithe Street.
It seems unlikely that the Attorney General's application to have the Application dismissed on the basis on mootness will succeed. The Supreme Court of Canada has established a two-fold test for mootness:
Is there a live controversy and is there an adversarial context? If the answer to this question is no, the court then goes on to consider...
Does the case raise an issue of public importance that it is in the public interest for the court to decide?
If the answer to either of these questions is yes the court will hear and decide on the matter (even if the controversy between the parties has been terminated).
N.B. Borowski v. Canada (Attorney General) [1989] 1 S.C.R. 342, 1989 CanLII 123 (S.C.C.) March 9, 1989. and Doucet-Boudreau v. Nova Scotia (Minister of Education) [2003] 3 S.C.R. 3.
Outstanding Issues:
The issues that have not been decided in the Application include:
Judge Kitchen's failure to require the Attorney General of B.C. to give notice of their intent to have the information declared a nullity
Judge Kitchen's failure to hold a fair hearing on the "diplomatic immunity from prosecution" of heads of state
Whether "diplomatic immunity" prevents prosecution of Crimes Against Humanity in Canadian courts
Whether constitutional "equality before the law" or legal "diplomatic immunity" is paramount
Consider:
Constitution Act 1982
15 (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
The Timeline:
2004:
Nov 17 Learned that George W. Bush was coming to Canada on Nov 30, 2004.
Nov 17-30 Notified Ministers of crimes of GW Bush
Nov 30 GW Bush arrives Canada
Nov 30 Information filed in Vancouver BC
Dec 2 Request made for judicial process hearing (setting a date for the hearing)
Dec 6 Crown requests that:
The scheduled process hearing be transformed into full trial;
Public be expelled from the courtroom;
The charges be declared a "nullity" by the judge;
Judge acquiesces to all of the Crown requests
Judge finds the Information a nullity, stating that:
"Mr. Bush is President of the United States, which I concluded is alleging that he is the head of state of the United States, and as such he does have immunity from prosecution under the criminal laws of Canada";
Judge allows publication of the decision;
Judge bans publication of all related materials;
2005
Jan Appeal to Supreme Court of British Columbia of "nullity" decision
Aug 25 Judge refuses to hear arguments of either LAW or BCCLA
Judge extends publication ban as requested by the Crown of
"anything tending to identity the proposed defendant in this proceedings and the nature of any proposed charges"
Sept 29 Judge orders Crown to provide reasons for publication ban
Oct 17 Crown withdraws request for media ban
Judge terminates all publication bans
Future
Oct 28 Mootness written submission deadline
Nov 25 Mootness trial - 10 a.m. - B.C. Supreme Court, 800 Smithe Street, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.
---
Please direct your enquiries to:
Gail Davidson at:
Lawyers Against the War
Tel: +1 604 738-0338
Fax: +1 604 736-1175
Email:
law@portal.ca
Website:
http://www.lawyersagainstthewar.org
End
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Editor's comment:
I have been lead to understand that if this action is declared moot by the court it can then be taken before the International Criminal Court (as laid out in Canadian law). It is worth noting that the investigative powers of the ICC are arguably greater than Canadian government powers.
I request you forward this to your media contacts immediately.
Notes:
October 17, 2005 media release:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/18/152631/68
Best regards,
MARC PARENT
CRIMES AND CORRUPTIONS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER NEWS
http://www.livejournal.com/users/mparent7777 Crossposted at: http://www.livejournal.com/users/mparent7777/3743273.html
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Counterpuch
A Small Victory: Prosecuting Bush in Canada for Torture
October 20, 2005
A Small Victory
Prosecuting Bush in Canada for Torture
By JUSTINE DAVIDSON
On Monday, October 17th Gail Davidson and Howard Rubin along with Jason Gratl and Micheal Vonn representing B.C. Civil Liberties stepped into courtroom 55 of the BC Supreme Court in Vancouver with the hopes of lifting the publication ban which, since December of 2004 August, has kept the case out of the public eye. After a relatively short session of 45 minutes they emerged successful. "I don't know that I would call it a victory quite yet," said Ms. Davidson, "but it is at least a step in the right direction. People deserve to know what is happening here."
What is happening is that Ms. Davidson and Lawyers Against the War have laid charges against George Bush Jr; accusing him of aiding, abetting, and counseling the commission of torture. This charge is based on the abuses of the prisoners held at the U.S. prisons in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba and Abu-Ghraib, Iraq including Canadian minor Omar Khadr, who has been held in Cuba since 2001.
Full story:
http://www.counterpunch.org/davidson10202005.html
http://www.livejournal.com/users/mparent7777/3784035.html
NEWSWIRE
CRIMES AND CORRUPTIONS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER NEWSWIRE - October 21st, 2005
http://www.livejournal.com/users/mparent7777/2005/10/21/
MARC PARENT
CRIMES AND CORRUPTIONS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER NEWS
http://www.livejournal.com/users/mparent7777
www.dailykos.com/user/ccnwon
by G. Davidson/Counterpunch Friday October 21, 2005 at 12:52 PM
Prosecution of George W. Bush for Torture at Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo Bay Prisons Notification of Canadian Officials Plus newspaper story
MEDIA RELEASE: Prosecution of George W. Bush for Torture
by ccnwon
Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 11:13:43 AM PDT
World Exclusive
MEDIA RELEASE
October 19, 2005
Prosecution of George W. Bush
for
Torture at Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo Bay Prisons
Notification of Canadian Officials
Lawyers against the War (L.A.W.) learned Nov 17, 2004 that George W. Bush was coming to Canada on Nov 30, 2004. During this period L.A.W. wrote to various governmental ministers advising of them that George W. Bush stood accused of the most grave crimes known to law, including torture, and therefore should be denied entry to Canada. L.A.W. notified the Prime Minister, the Immigration Minister and the Attorney General of Canada that these accusations were made by credible and knowledgeable groups and individuals throughout the world.
L.A.W. advised the Ministers that GW Bush's responsibility derives from his direct involvement in the formulation of policy as both the President as well as the Commander in Chief of U.S. Armed Forces. They were informed that GW Bush had failed to prevent the commission of and once discovered, then failed to stop these Crimes Against Humanity through willful blindness or by deliberate policy.
L.A.W. received no reply to any of these letters and George W. Bush entered Canada on November 30th 2004.
Filing the Charges
AN INFORMATION:
Is the testimony of an individual to the courts that an offence has been committed.
When an information is laid by a private person, the Justice of the Peace, must refer to information to a judge for a hearing to determine whether to compel the appearance of the accused.
The appearance of the accused would be compelled by an arrest warrant or a notice to appear if the information is supported by `reasonable grounds'.
The Attorney General is entitled to attend this process hearing and to test the evidence and grounds presented by the informant.
On Nov 30, 2004, Gail Davidson, co-chair of L.A.W. filed an information charging GW Bush of aiding, abetting and counselling the commission of torture at Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo Bay prisons.
The information was accepted and filed in the Provincial Court of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C. under court file number 128960-1. Because the Justice of the Peace failed to refer to information to a judge for a process hearing, Davidson attended at the Courthouse on December 2nd to request a court date and was advised to attend in court on December 6th at which time a date for the trial would be set.
Lower Court
NULLITY:
An act or proceeding in a cause which the opposite party can treat as though it had not taken place, or which has absolutely no legal force or effect. - Black's Law Dictionary, 4th Ed.
On Dec 6th the Crown Prosecutor advised the judge that..
"we will not be simply fixing a date...The Crown is making an application that this information [charging Bush with torture] is a nullity."
On the request of counsel for the Attorney General of B.C., Judge Kitchen ordered the public and the press from the courtroom over the objections of Charlie Smith, then news editor of the Georgia Straight newspaper, and then locked and `sealed' the courtroom.
Judge Kitchen proceeded to hear the Crown's application and dismissed the information as a nullity on the basis that,
"...Mr. Bush is President of the United States, which I concluded is alleging that he is the head of state of the United States, and as such he does have immunity from prosecution under the criminal laws of Canada." (Transcript page 21 ll. 9-12)
and
"...as far as the jurisdiction under the Criminal Code, I conclude that the concept of diplomatic immunity still applies." (Transcript page 21 ll. 21-23)
The judge then allows publication of his decision, while banning publication of the proceedings, transcript as well as all exhibits or documents.
Davidson and L.A.W. filed an application for review of Judge Kitchen's decisions in the Supreme Court of British Columbia.
(Gail Davidson and Lawyers against the War v. Attorney General of British Columbia, Supreme Court of British Columbia, Vancouver Registry No. 23447.)
Publication Ban Issue
On Aug 25, 2005, an appeal was heard by Justice Dohm on the legality of the orders banning publication and sealing the courtroom. In this proceeding the British Columbia Civil Liberties Association (BCCLA) was granted intervener status. The Attorney General of British Columbia requested a continuation of the interim ban on publication of the trial until the issue was decided for good.
Without hearing submissions from either Davidson or the BCCLA, the judge made an interim order banning any "publication and disclosure of the name, office or anything tending to identity the proposed defendant in this proceedings and the nature of any proposed charges".
On Sept 29, the publication ban issue was before Justice Satanove, who directed counsel for the Attorney General of B.C. to provide written submissions by Oct 14, as to why a publication ban was required and to notify the media.
Counsel for the Attorney General of B.C. neither filed written submissions nor gave notice to the media and on October 17, 2005, withdrew the application for a continuing publication ban and consented to orders;
o terminating the interim publication ban made by Mr. Justice Dohm August 25th 2005, and
o terminating and setting aside the publication ban issued by Judge Kitchen of the Provincial Court of British Columbia on December 6th 2004.
Supreme Court
MOOT:
An issue which cannot be settled by judicial decisions
- Black's Law Dictionary
The issue of whether or not diplomatic immunity provides a head of state with absolute immunity from prosecution is a point that has never been argued before a Canadian court.
The Crown is now objecting that the Supreme Court does not have the ability to review the decision of Judge Kitchen because the issues are moot. The Crown seems to indicate that their mootness argument is based on the fact that the Attorney General of Canada has failed to consent to the prosecution of George Bush.
Section 7(7) of the Criminal Code of Canada states that the prosecution cannot continue without the consent of the Attorney General of Canada within eight days of filing. The time for the Attorney General's consent stopped when Judge Kitchen declared the information a nullity.
LAW is confident that the Attorney General will consent to the prosecution after reviewing the evidence upon which the charges are based.
Moot Hearings
The Attorney General of B.C. has been ordered to produce written submissions on the mootness issue by October 28, 2005 and that issue will be argued on November 25th 2005, at 10:00 a.m. at the B.C. Supreme Court, 800 Smithe Street.
It seems unlikely that the Attorney General's application to have the Application dismissed on the basis on mootness will succeed. The Supreme Court of Canada has established a two-fold test for mootness:
Is there a live controversy and is there an adversarial context? If the answer to this question is no, the court then goes on to consider...
Does the case raise an issue of public importance that it is in the public interest for the court to decide?
If the answer to either of these questions is yes the court will hear and decide on the matter (even if the controversy between the parties has been terminated).
N.B. Borowski v. Canada (Attorney General) [1989] 1 S.C.R. 342, 1989 CanLII 123 (S.C.C.) March 9, 1989. and Doucet-Boudreau v. Nova Scotia (Minister of Education) [2003] 3 S.C.R. 3.
Outstanding Issues:
The issues that have not been decided in the Application include:
Judge Kitchen's failure to require the Attorney General of B.C. to give notice of their intent to have the information declared a nullity
Judge Kitchen's failure to hold a fair hearing on the "diplomatic immunity from prosecution" of heads of state
Whether "diplomatic immunity" prevents prosecution of Crimes Against Humanity in Canadian courts
Whether constitutional "equality before the law" or legal "diplomatic immunity" is paramount
Consider:
Constitution Act 1982
15 (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
The Timeline:
2004:
Nov 17 Learned that George W. Bush was coming to Canada on Nov 30, 2004.
Nov 17-30 Notified Ministers of crimes of GW Bush
Nov 30 GW Bush arrives Canada
Nov 30 Information filed in Vancouver BC
Dec 2 Request made for judicial process hearing (setting a date for the hearing)
Dec 6 Crown requests that:
The scheduled process hearing be transformed into full trial;
Public be expelled from the courtroom;
The charges be declared a "nullity" by the judge;
Judge acquiesces to all of the Crown requests
Judge finds the Information a nullity, stating that:
"Mr. Bush is President of the United States, which I concluded is alleging that he is the head of state of the United States, and as such he does have immunity from prosecution under the criminal laws of Canada";
Judge allows publication of the decision;
Judge bans publication of all related materials;
2005
Jan Appeal to Supreme Court of British Columbia of "nullity" decision
Aug 25 Judge refuses to hear arguments of either LAW or BCCLA
Judge extends publication ban as requested by the Crown of
"anything tending to identity the proposed defendant in this proceedings and the nature of any proposed charges"
Sept 29 Judge orders Crown to provide reasons for publication ban
Oct 17 Crown withdraws request for media ban
Judge terminates all publication bans
Future
Oct 28 Mootness written submission deadline
Nov 25 Mootness trial - 10 a.m. - B.C. Supreme Court, 800 Smithe Street, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.
---
Please direct your enquiries to:
Gail Davidson at:
Lawyers Against the War
Tel: +1 604 738-0338
Fax: +1 604 736-1175
Email:
law@portal.ca Website:
http://www.lawyersagainstthewar.org End
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Editor's comment:
I have been lead to understand that if this action is declared moot by the court it can then be taken before the International Criminal Court (as laid out in Canadian law). It is worth noting that the investigative powers of the ICC are arguably greater than Canadian government powers.
I request you forward this to your media contacts immediately.
Notes:
October 17, 2005 media release:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/18/152631/68 Best regards,
MARC PARENT
CRIMES AND CORRUPTIONS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER NEWS
http://www.livejournal.com/users/mparent7777 Crossposted at: http://www.livejournal.com/users/mparent7777/3743273.html Tags: George W. Bush, Karl Rove, Supreme Court, Republicans, Bush Administration, scandal, White House, war crimes, Bush Regime (all tags)
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A Small Victory: Prosecuting Bush in Canada for Torture
October 20, 2005
A Small Victory
Prosecuting Bush in Canada for Torture
By JUSTINE DAVIDSON
On Monday, October 17th Gail Davidson and Howard Rubin along with Jason Gratl and Micheal Vonn representing B.C. Civil Liberties stepped into courtroom 55 of the BC Supreme Court in Vancouver with the hopes of lifting the publication ban which, since December of 2004 August, has kept the case out of the public eye. After a relatively short session of 45 minutes they emerged successful. "I don't know that I would call it a victory quite yet," said Ms. Davidson, "but it is at least a step in the right direction. People deserve to know what is happening here."
What is happening is that Ms. Davidson and Lawyers Against the War have laid charges against George Bush Jr; accusing him of aiding, abetting, and counseling the commission of torture. This charge is based on the abuses of the prisoners held at the U.S. prisons in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba and Abu-Ghraib, Iraq including Canadian minor Omar Khadr, who has been held in Cuba since 2001.
Full story:
http://www.counterpunch.org/davidson10202005.html http://www.livejournal.com/users/mparent7777/3784035.html NEWSWIRE
CRIMES AND CORRUPTIONS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER NEWSWIRE - October 21st, 2005
http://www.livejournal.com/users/mparent7777/2005/10/21/ MARC PARENT
CRIMES AND CORRUPTIONS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER NEWS
http://www.livejournal.com/users/mparent7777 www.dailykos.com/user/ccnwon
Gail davidson/Counterpunch
Homepage:
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Bush's War On Terror
21.10.2005 21:25
Bush's War on Nature
Any civilians who are killed and tortured are the responsibility of the leaders who sends the soldiers into war - Blair should be there with him. The leaders must be held accountable for any civilian deaths - If they were perhaps the world would be a better place because they wouldn't be so quick to do it if they thought their head was going to be on the chopping block if innocent civilians died.
Also enquires should ask, through big business, how many people are dieing and these companies should also be held to account. -
There's No these things happen in War - Killing civilians is Terrorism on purpose or by accident its still the same for the people who are terrorised during the attack.
I do think that countries with the most wealth are the most violent and I rate them the top 10 as being the biggest terrorists. They didn't get to that position by being Mr Nice -
Jeff
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ALL Iraqis murdered as a result of Blair's invasion should be counted!
22.10.2005 00:08
How quick you are to carefully repeat Blair's own Black Propaganda!!!
So the Iraqi men and women in uniform, slaughtered by the tens of thousands when Blair launched his sickening and evil invasion, don't count, do they. WHERE EXACTLY DID THIS SICK VIEW COME FROM??? Every time one sees an estimate of the Iraqis murdered as a consequence of Blair's acts, the figure ALWAYS excudes the murder of the defenders of that nation.
Oh, every death of a British or US soldier is carefully noted and mourned. Indeed, the ONLY death figures commonly given for the invading forces lists military loses, and NOT those of the large mercenary force in Iraq.
300,000+ Iraqis have died as a consequence of the invasion, when one includes the men and women that died defending their country from unjustified attack. Every Mass Media outlet that spouts Blair's sick propaganda avoids this figure by pulling the same trick that the Nazi's used about their enemies, and that is that a defender is sub-human, and does not count. THE IRAQI SOLDIERS THAT WE SLAUGHTERED WERE NOT SUB-HUMAN, NEVER ONCE THREATENED US, WERE MOSTLY CONSCRIPTS, AND WERE MURDERED WITH THE SAME DISREGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE THAT HITLER SHOWED IN HIS DEATH CAMPS.
Is it not time for those of us that oppose Blair and his wicked acts STOP talking in the language of his propaganda outlets. For most of you, you DO NOT get smarter when you listen to the BBC/ITN, or read The Guardian/Independent or whatever. Instead, you learn to talk in the voice of your masters, and limit your knowledge and logic in a way of their choosing. IF EVER YOU FIND YOURSELF AGREEING WITH A MASS MEDIA ARTICLE, IT IS BECAUSE THAT ARTICLE IS DESIGNED TO HOOK YOUR KIND OF PERSON, AND THEN FEED YOU A PROPAGANDA LINE THAT YOUR TYPE IS VUNERABLE TO. The whole concept of mass media propaganda is diversity, so that you will arrogantly dismiss 'obvious' propaganda designed for someone else, while simple mindedly falling for propaganda carefully crafted for you.
Morally, when you carry out an act of aggressive war, everyone you murder counts the same, whether in uniform or out. This means that in the context of the invasion/occupation, our side is absolutely in the wrong (and evil) and their side is absolutely in the right (and good). Few things in life are black and white, but invasion as an act of aggressive war is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS A BLACK AND WHITE ISSUE.
NO TORTURE, NO SLAVERY, NO AGGRESSIVE WAR. Is it really so f**king difficult for people to remember and stand behind these simple rules??? When you use the word civilian to limit the significance of Iraqi casualties, you have given your effective APPROVAL to Blair's aggressive war, and carry shared responsibility for the crime.
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