hi paul really appreciate your reports but can you ditch those horrible captions?

keep 'em coming mate :)

You seem to forget that the reason the war in Iraq happened was because of Saddam Hussein who in 1980 waged war on Iran resulting in a war which killed one million people and lasted eight years. Then in 1990 invading Kuwait resulting in the first Gulf War which took half a million international troops to reverse. Then for 12 years refusing to co-operate with United Nations weapons inspectors and shooting at planes patroling the northern and southern no fly zones, set up to protect the Kurds and the Shias. Saddam was given 12 years of chances to avoid further war! No one wanted war! War happened only because of the stubborness of Saddam Hussein in his refusal to co-operate with Un inspectors.

Iraq is also a much better place now that Saddam has gone. It is now a free democracy where oil revenues can be spent on essentials like housing, schools, hospitals, roads, railways, etc instead of on the vast army kept by Saddam and on his vast presidential palaces. There has been great progess made over the past two and half years since the Baath regime was outsted in Iraq. The discovery of the mass graves containing 300,000 massacred Iraqis, plus the vast number imprisoned and tortured under the Baath regime more than justified the war!

i love that sort of straight-faced super dry humour. brilliant piece - thank you 'concerned'.

We do not "seem to forget" anything, wanker.

YOU "seem to forget" that every time you spam IMC with this neo-con "party line" crap it is comprehensively rebutted by people who know much more about the situation than unquestioning servile little "good soldier" shits like yourself ever will.

Sometimes I think you must be some kind of automatic message-generating computer programme (Microsoft WankerWizard 2.0) because your dreary propaganda is always the same, always badly written and seems about as thoughtfully deployed as a bee sting.

Oh - and the exclamation marks make you come across like an arsy 12-year-old who has been allowed to stay up past their bedtime and join in "the grown-ups conversation."

Fuck off.

"There has been great progess made over the past two and half years since the Baath regime was outsted in Iraq"

Ha ha ha!

Go and fucking live there then you pratt!

Bushwacker, Bliar and Sado Hussain are all dictators, equally bad. They are part of autocratic regimes seeking power for their own gain, and none of them care about those who suffer in their name. To say that Saddam is worse than Bush or Blair, or vice versa is to miss the fundamental point that they are all dictators, equally culpable of genocidial behaviour. Trying to justify the actions of evil by saying it is less evil than someone else doesnt solve problems.

I am not justifying Saddam Hussain, who should be shot for his war crimes, but lets keep some sort of political critique on just who the players are in this particular show trial.

All dictators are fascist, from Lenin to Franco, from Bush to Berlesconi and all the way to Saddam and the likes of Musharrif and the leaders of China and Iran. It doesnt matter what creed they claim to adopt. Blair doesnt believe in free speach and self-determination or the principles of the working class. Stalin only gave lip service to communism in so far as it served his self-seeking purposes. It is a common trick to identify one person's crimes as indicative of an entire system they claim to represent - divide and conquer by those in power.

We should stand and unite against all dictators, Bush, Blair and Saddam alike, and not allow their intercine struggles to distract us from our goals of a better world.

We need the captions, it's not always clear what the event is about, or who the people are.
Otherwise the photos could be of any demo.

"Concerned" and "sim1 (dim1)" are time wasting trolls. You're in a minority, Saddam Hussein could have been removed through negotiation and with the permission of the United Nations. So why are 100,000 Iraqis mainly civilians dead, killed by Tony Blair and George Bush for oil? And why have the UK and America raped, tortured and murdered so many? It's because they want oil and don't care who dies if they can profit from the war. - We'd believe "concerned" and the "dim1" as much as we'd believe that liar Tony Blair.

Bush and Blair have not killed 100,000 people in Iraq, most have been killed by the terrorist insurgents who have regularly bombed civilians! Get your facts straight. Two before the war and even before the world knew about the 300,000 in mass graves nearly everyone on the planet considered Saddam Hussein the worlds most evil dictator who posed a long term threat to world peace and to the stability of the Middle east. His continued missile attacks on planes patroling the no fly zones proved that. Remember he had attacked the Kurds and Shias after the first Gulf War forcing four million to flee Iraq as refugees aswell as killing untold numbers of them. No Saddam could not have been easily removed. France and Germany were doing quite well out of their business contracts with Iraq, they would have blocked any action to removed Saddam by the UN. The Kurds in the north of Iraq were also ALREADY at war with Saddam, dying and fighting our enemy for us! When the war came they fought alongside coalition troops.

You seem unable to comprehend the sheer evil of a man like Saddam, a man who before the 1991 Gulf War when months of negotiations were going on, had a western journalist kidnapped and then executed on a trumped up charge of entering the country illegally then gloated to the British government, "you asked for him back, so we sent him home in a box". If that sort of behaviour is not indicative of the fact we were dealing with an totally insane dictator then nothing is! Saddam wasn't another Hitler he was the Anti-Christ!

Actually 'concerned' ( by the way, your name makes you sound like one of those old grannies who writes into the BBC 'I was very concerned about the bad language on television last night' ), there was a report in the last few months, which showed that out of the 100,000 civilian deaths, the majority were killed by crime, then by the Occupation forces, and then by the insurgency. ALthough insurgent attacks kill many civilians, coalition air strikes kill more, and huge numbers of civilians were killed in the initial war, and then in operations like Fallujah. But crime kills far far more than either the two warring parties.

The biggest problem out there is that there is no security. You can simply be kidnapped for ransom money, murdered for your mobile phone. Tell me, who is responsible for the security of the country against crime? The insurgency? Saddam Hussein? This was not a problem under Saddam. Under international law an occupying army has the responsibility of the security of the country, and the US and UK have been so incompetent, so completely inept, that Iraq has descended in lawlessness, where it is easier to murder someone and rob them than simply steal from them, because the police do nothing. Where Shia militias act with impunity in the south, murdering and killing Sunni opponents right under the noses of the British.

Progress has been not only pitiful, but backwards. You can keep repeating your mantra in the hope that it is true, but it is not ( I wish fairies existed...I wish fairies existed ). Here's an idea...why don´t YOU go to Iraq, and put your life at risk for the sake of the Iraqi people, rather than just cheerleading other people's sons and daughters as they go out there to kill and be killed. And as you see your friends blown up around you, and the Iraqi people throwing petrol bombs at your jeep, you can just keep sitting there repeating to yourself 'progress is being made...we liberated the Iraqi people and they love us here...Iraq is much better now than under Saddam'.

Saddam killed thousands of people. The US has killed millions, with wars in Vietnam, Latin America, the Middle East. It has sold weapons and propped up murderous regimes, and been indirectly responsible for millions more deaths, including many of those inflicted by Saddam. If Saddam is the Anti-Christ, then the US is his father, Satan. What are you anyway, some kind of Christian fundamentalist? Go tell Pat Robertson that Hugo Chavez is coming to kick his ass.

Actually 'concerned' ( by the way, your name makes you sound like one of those old grannies who writes into the BBC 'I was very concerned about the bad language on television last night' ), there was a report in the last few months, which showed that out of the 100,000 civilian deaths, the majority were killed by crime, then by the Occupation forces, and then by the insurgency. ALthough insurgent attacks kill many civilians, coalition air strikes kill more, and huge numbers of civilians were killed in the initial war, and then in operations like Fallujah. But crime kills far far more than either the two warring parties.

The biggest problem out there is that there is no security. You can simply be kidnapped for ransom money, murdered for your mobile phone. Tell me, who is responsible for the security of the country against crime? The insurgency? Saddam Hussein? This was not a problem under Saddam. Under international law an occupying army has the responsibility of the security of the country, and the US and UK have been so incompetent, so completely inept, that Iraq has descended in lawlessness, where it is easier to murder someone and rob them than simply steal from them, because the police do nothing. Where Shia militias act with impunity in the south, murdering and killing Sunni opponents right under the noses of the British.

Progress has been not only pitiful, but backwards. You can keep repeating your mantra in the hope that it is true, but it is not ( I wish fairies existed...I wish fairies existed ). Here's an idea...why don´t YOU go to Iraq, and put your life at risk for the sake of the Iraqi people, rather than just cheerleading other people's sons and daughters as they go out there to kill and be killed. And as you see your friends blown up around you, and the Iraqi people throwing petrol bombs at your jeep, you can just keep sitting there repeating to yourself 'progress is being made...we liberated the Iraqi people and they love us here...Iraq is much better now than under Saddam'.

Saddam killed thousands of people. The US has killed millions, with wars in Vietnam, Latin America, the Middle East. It has sold weapons and propped up murderous regimes, and been indirectly responsible for millions more deaths, including many of those inflicted by Saddam. If Saddam is the Anti-Christ, then the US is his father, Satan. What are you anyway, some kind of Christian fundamentalist? Go tell Pat Robertson that Hugo Chavez is coming to kick his ass.

American soldiers have killed many journalists and cameramen in Iraq - witnesses to war crimes. They even killed media crew when they fired on a hotel they would know was full of journalists. And remember the Italian journalist who was critical of the USA in Iraq, and only escaped with her life.because her bodyguard rescuer died protecting her. Even though there are journalists from many countries, they are mostly killing Arabs / people of colour, who are reporting on american crimes, and likely to oppose the illegal war in Iraq that was never approved by the United Nations.

Reporters without borders:
 http://www.rsf.org/special_iraq_en.php3
73 journalists and media assistants killed while doing their job
since the start of fighting in Iraq in March 2003,

Two other journalists are still missing :
Frédéric Nérac of ITV News (UK), since 22 March 2003
Isam Hadi Muhsin Al-Shumary Suedostmedia, 15 August 2004

53 Journalists killed:
19.10.2005 - Mohamed Haroun, Union of Iraqi Journalists general secretary
21.09.2005 - Firas Al-Maadhidi, Al-Safir
20.09.05 - Hind Ismail, Al-Safir
19.09.2005 - Fakher Haydar Al-Tamimi, New York Times
27.08.2005 - Rafed Al Rubaii, Al Irakiya
02.08.05 - Steven Vincent, freelance journalist
22.06.2005 - Yasser Al Salihy, Knight Ridder
03.07.2005 - Maha Ibrahim, Baghdad TV
01.07.2005 - Khaled Sabih al Attar, al-Iraqia
28.06.2005 - Wael Al Bakri, Al Charkiyah
22.06.05 - Jassim Al Qais, Al Siyada
15.05.2005 - Najem Abed Khodair, Al-Madaa and Tariq al-Shaab
15.05.2005 - Ahmad Adam, Al-Madaa and Sabah
23.04.2005 - Saleh Ibrahim, Associated Press
15.04.2005 - Shamal Abdallah Assad, Kirkuk TV, Kurdsat
14.04.2005 - Ali Abrahim Aissa, Al-Hurriya TV
14.04.2005 - Fadel Hazem Fadel, Al-Hurriya TV
01.04.2005 - Ahmed Jabbar Hashim, Al Sabah
14.03.2005 - Houssam Hilal Sarsam, Kurdistan-TV
10.03.2005 - Laik Ibrahim, Kurdistan-TV
25.02.2005 - Raeda Mohammed Wageh Wazzan, Iraqiya
09.02.2005 - Abdel Hussein Khazaal, Al-Hurra TV
01.11.2004 - Dhia Najim, Reuters
27.10.2004 - Liqaa Abdul-Razzaq, Al-Sharqiya
14.10.2004 - Karam Hussein, European Pressphoto Agency
14.10.2004 - Dina Mohamad Hassan, Al Hurriya Television
7.10.2004 - Ahmad Jassem, Nivive television
12.09.2004 - Mazen al-Tomaizi, Al-Arabiya
26.08.2004 - Enzo Baldoni, Diario della settimana
15.08.2004 - Mahmoud Hamid Abbas, ZDF
15.08.2004 - Hossam Ali, freelance
03.06.2004 - Sahar Saad Eddine Nouami, Al-Mizan, Al-Khaima, Al-Hayat Al-Gadida
27.05.2004 - Kotaro Ogawa, Nikkan Gendai
27.05.2004 - Shinsuke Hashida, Nikkan Gendai
07.05.2004 - Mounir Bouamrane, TVP
07.05.2004 - Waldemar Milewicz, TVP
19.04.2004 - Assad Kadhim, Al-Iraqiya TV
26.03.2004 - Bourhan Mohammad al-Louhaybi , ABC News
18.03.2004 - Ali Al-Khatib, Al-Arabiya
18.03.2004 - Ali Abdel Aziz, Al-Arabiya
18.03.2004 - Nadia Nasrat, Diyala Television
28.10.2003 - Ahmed Shawkat, Bila Ittijah
17.08.2003 - Mazen Dana, Reuters
02.07.2003 - Ahmad Karim, Kurdistan Satellite TV
08.04.2003 - Tarek Ayoub, Al Jazeera
08.04.2003 - Taras Protsyuk, Reuters
08.04.2003 - José Couso, Tele 5
07.04.2003 - Julio Anguita Parrado, El Mundo
07.04.2003 - Christian Liebig, Focus
04.04.2003 - Michael Kelly , Washington Post
02.04.2003 - Kaveh Golestan , BBC
23.03.2003 - Terry Lloyd, ITV News
22.03.2003 - Paul Moran, Australian Broadcasting Corporation

20 Media assistants killed:
21.09.05 - Ahlam Youssef , Al-Iraqiya TV
17.09.2005 - Sabah Mohssin, Al-Iraqiya
28.08.2005 - Waleed Khaled, Reuters TV
23.07.2005 - Adnan Al Bayati, Rai, Mediaset, TG3 and Panorama
02.09.2004 - Ismaïl Taher Mohsin, Associated Press
25.08.2004 - Jamal Tawfiq Salmane, Gazeta Wyborcza
29.05.2004 - Mahmoud Ismael Daood, bodyguard, Al-Sabah al-Jadid
29.05.2004 - Samia Abdeljabar, driver, Al-Sabah al-Jadid
27.05.2004 - Unknown, translator
25.05.2004 - Unknown, translator
21.05.2004 - Rachid Hamid Wali, cameraman assistant, Al-Jazira
29.04.2004 - Hussein Saleh, driver, Al-Iraquiya TV
26.03.2004 - Omar Hashim Kamal, translator, Time
18.03.2004 - Majid Rachid, technician, Diyala Television
18.03.2004 - Mohamad Ahmad, security agent, Diyala Television
27.01.2004 - Duraid Isa Mohammed, producer and translator, CNN
27.01.2004 - Yasser Khatab, driver, CNN
07.07.2003 - Jeremy Little, sound engineer, NBC
06.04.2003 - Kamaran Abdurazaq Muhamed, translator, BBC
22.03.2003 - Hussein Othman, translator, ITV News

 http://www.rsf.org/special_iraq_en.php3
Reporters Without Borders want America to release journalists:
20 October 2005 - Iraq
Still no certainty about Nérac’s fate, despite French foreign ministry statement
4 October 2005 - Iraq - United States of America
As Ramadan begins, Reporters Without Borders calls for the release of five detained journalists
22 September 2005 - IRAQ
Another death in Mosul brings number of journalists killed since 2003 to 72
19 September 2005 - Iraq
Journalist shot dead in Basra, 68th killed in Iraq since start of war
9 September 2005 - Irak
News agencies targeted by Iraqi and US troops
2 September 2005 - Iraq
US army recognises firing on two-member Reuters TV crew
30 August 2005 - Iraq
TV reporter Rafed Al Rubaii becomes 67th journalist killed since start of war
25 August 2005 - Iraq
Call for immediate release of Reuters cameraman held by US army
6 August 2005 - Iraq
Iraqi who worked for Italian news media murdered in front of his family
3 August 2005 - Iraq
Who killed Steven Vincent ?
11 July 2005 - Iraq
Cyrus Kar and Farshid Faraji released after being held for 54 days
4 July 2005 - Iraq
12 journalists killed since early April
1er July 2005 - Irak
TV producer shot dead in Mosul is 61st journalist killed since start of war
29 June 2005 - Iraq
Call for an in-depth investigation into death of Iraqi TV producer
24 June 2005 - Iraq
Anne-Sophie Le Mauff has left Iraq
24 June 2005 - Iraq
Horror as journalist and his son shot dead north of Baghdad
21 June 2005 - Irak
Open letter to participants at International Conference on Iraq urges respect for press freedom and protection of journalists
24 May 2005 - Iraq
An APTN cameraman arrested by Iraqi police
23 May 2005 - Iran
Backing for journalists who have begun daily protests
16 May 2005 - Iraq
Horror at gruesome murders of two Iraqi journalists
6 May 2005 - Iraq / United States
US army asked to explain why it is still holding CBS News cameraman after one month


"Concerned" is a New Labour anti Christ.

That Concerned is awfully naive is not at doubt, however your response "Delete the Indymedia Trolls" is also playing fast with the facts. If we look at the links you give, they are quite specific:

"A third of the deaths can be attributed to armed groups fighting the US-led Coalition forces
and the new Iraqi authorities. But in eight cases (14%), US forces were to blame."

So yes, 1 in 3 deaths are by coalition forces. But the vast majority - 2 in 3 - are due to the Iraqis themselves!

Now what you suggest - in fact unequivocally state - is that the media were attacked by Coalition forces to hide war crimes. I'd like you to back that up with hard evidence. Lets see some links and so on. I'd also like to take your hypothesis to its logical conclusion. If the coalition forces killed to hide atrocities, surely the same applies to the Iraqi attacks?

The woolly thinking on this site is incredible.

Boab’s troll comments on the day that Jean Charles de Menezes was murdered:
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/07/319094.html
Don't you....
22.07.2005 19:31
Don't you just love the smell of unsupported conjecture in the morning?
Lets wait for some more information before jumping to any conclusions, lads.
Big Bad Boab

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/07/319163.html
'Man shot dead was not a bomber'
22.07.2005 23:26
The byline is incorrect and misleading. Reuters do not say whether or not the man was A bomber, merely that he was not one of the 4 being sought. Now it may be that the chap wasn't, but keep ill-informed interpretation to yourself pending further details.
Boab

BOAB KEEPS TROLLING AND ASKING FOR INFORMATION.
NOW WE KNOW JEAN CHARLES DE MENEZES SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN KILLED AND IS AN INNOCENT.


Boab's view of the fascist state Blair and New Labour are creating:
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/07/319007.html
Britian is a fascist undemocratic country...yea, whatever
21.07.2005 21:59
Britain may be many things, but I think you'll find that it is certainly a democracy.
I love an American ex-president's quote being used to extole freedom. Oh the irony....
Boab

BOAB SAYS HE'S SCOTTISH - HE SOUNDS AMERICAN.


Boab is a troll, he contradicted himself, and falsely claimed Ediburgh was trashed:
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/07/316226.html
Violence Solves Nothing
07.07.2005 16:46
Gandhi:
I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.
Nonviolence is the greatest force at the disposal of mankind. It is mightier than the mightiest weapon of destruction devised by the ingenuity of man.
Well, he was one of the great thinkers and won freedom for India. You guys trashed our city and achieved nothing. I think I'll stick with Gahdhi.
Boab

Re Aldgate tube bombing
 https://www4.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/07/316998.html
Aye, right
07.07.2005 16:41
Call that an excuse? Yer a vulture, pal, and deserve a good smack.
Boab


BOAB'S ALWAYS TROLLING ESPECIALLY ON POLICE AND MILITARY ISSUES. HE SAID HE DOESN'T BELIEVE IN VIOLENCE AND THEN WANTED TO SMACK SOMEONE - PROPERTY DAMAGE ISN'T OK WITH BOAB BUT HITTING SOMEONE IS.
YET A VULTURE BOAB, TROLLS ARE VULTURES.

Oh Delete etc. I'm impressed! I've annoyed you enough to elicit a personal attack. Lucky me!

Lets see......this kicked off because I pointed out that the post re: media deaths was incomplete. You chose, for whatever reason, and presumably on purpose, to miss out a key section. Is that what's irking you? Someone having the temerity to check your information?

And then you have a go at me over the Menzies affair, because whilst the conspiracy mob kept shouting out 101 theories I suggested we "wait for some more information before jumping to any conclusions". Sorry, seems like quite a sensible approach to me. Stand by it, quite happily.

American? Yer erse, as they say here in Bathgate. And even if I was a yank (heaven forbid), what would that have to do with anything?

Then the final link, you'll find that the fellow got accused of being a vulture because he was trying to flog pictures of the dead bomb victims getting carried out of the station. Again, seems quite a reasonable approach.

Face it Delete, the reason you've attacked me is because I caught you being circumspect with the truth on Indymedia, and you don't like it.

Bit of a viscous attack on Boab there. Is that because he questioned the accuracy of your post? Oh well, why let the facts get in the way of a good bit of propoganda....

Watch yer back noo. Ah hud tae chinge ma name from Magoo to M in fear of cyberbeatings. They'll be putting the feelers oot fer yur local nex'. Yu'll be like me, a fugitive of conscience.

Talkin' of which, I'll be in Glasgow at the end of November if anyone fancies a pint heehee!

'S'okay, its no ony worse than living in Bathgate, or mibee Broxburn. Mind you, thon loon above seems tae think its Bathgate, Illinois or something. There's a place up the road, near Fa'kirk, called Madison. Mibee that's whur he's gettin' confused!