If this is how New Labour treats its own members...
Concerned Journo | 28.09.2005 15:00
Blair's thugs roughed up an 82-year-old lifeliong Labour member at the party conference today simply for heckling Jack Straw's speech.
Imagine how Blair would like to treat the rest of us!
Imagine how Blair would like to treat the rest of us!
2 versions of the story here; one from the Press Association followed by a rather stronger line taken by the Morning Star
HSA5994 4 HHH 531 PA
1 LABOUR Iraq Protest ANGER AS ELDERLY IRAQ HECKLER IS THROWN OUT
By Andrew Woodcock and Vivienne Morgan, PA Political Staff
An elderly delegate was thrown out of the debating chamber at Labour's Brighton conference today after heckling Foreign Secretary Jack Straw over the Iraq War.
The man, believed to be in his 80s, was bundled out of the hall's balcony after shouting 'That's a lie' as Mr Straw rejected calls for British troops to be brought home from Iraq.
A younger man sitting nearby was also ejected after complaining about his treatment at the hands of stewards.
Their behaviour was condemned as "very heavy-handed" by Labour MP Linda Riordan, whose own attempt to have Iraq debated was blocked by conference organisers.
And a protest about the incident was raised on the conference floor by Mole Valley delegate Carol Hayton, who told session chairman Sir Jeremy Beecham: "We are very concerned about the way in which a gentleman of over 80 was manhandled from the balcony.
"Perhaps more appropriate action could have been taken, but this was an 80-year-old gentleman and I am sure that Jack Straw, a politician of great experience, is able to deal with events of this kind without that kind of response from our stewards."
Sir Jeremy said that Labour's Conference Arrangements Committee was looking into the incident and would report back tomorrow.
Ms Riordan's Halifax constituency party tabled an emergency resolution calling for phased withdrawal of British troops.
But this was ruled out of order by the CAC, which instead gave the go-ahead to debates on issues including gender equality.
The MP said she was "very disappointed" at the decision: "We've had one speaker in this debate on Iraq and we have 8,000 of our troops there.
"The silence on Iraq at this conference is deafening, absolutely deafening."
She said that the treatment of the heckler gave her "an uneasy feeling".
"You can't stop ordinary members of the Labour Party having a debate about Iraq," said Ms Riordan. "It's not taking place in the conference hall, but it is going on in the bars and the corridors."
Ms Riordan was sitting just a few rows in front of the ejected man when he began shouting.
"He was immediately surrounded by three or four stewards and physically lifted off his feet and bundled out of a side door," she said.
"The treatment was very heavy-handed. It was over the top.
"It was tactless and unnecessary. The Foreign Secretary is perfectly capable, given his experience, of dealing with hecklers."
Ms Riordan's predecessor as Halifax MP, the prominent anti-war campaigner Alice Mahon, also witnessed the incident.
She told Sky News: "We were listening to Jack talking about Iraq. This gentleman shouted 'That's rubbish, that's a lie'.
"Two or three of the security people dived on him. This other chap a couple of rows in front turned round and said 'You must be joking', because this was simple political heckling. He wasn't threatening anybody.
"He got manhandled out as well. I think they were really over the top."
A Labour Party spokesman said: "Following a disturbance in the visitors' balcony, two people were escorted out, having been asked three times to be quiet."
end 281510 SEP 05
EMBARRASED Labour conference officials promised an inquiry yesterday after an 82-year-old delegate was brutally forced from the hall simply for expressing dissent.
Walter Wolfgang - a Labour Party member for 60 years - was roughly manhandled from the hall by stewards yesterday after he heckled Foreign Secretary Jack Straw over the war on Iraq.
The delegate, sitting in a balcony section, shouted “That’s a lie” as the Foreign Secretary rejected calls for British troops to be withdrawn.
As the Blairite thugs ejected him, another delegate began shouting “Leave him alone”. Stewards then turned on him and shovd him out of the hall.
Their behaviour was condemned as “very heavy-handed” by Labour MP Linda Riordan, whose own attempt to have Iraq debated was blocked by conference organisers.
A protest about the incident was raised on the conference floor by Mole Valley delegate Carol Hayton, who told session chairman Sir Jeremy Beecham: “We are very concerned about the way in which a gentleman of over 80 was manhandled from the balcony. “
Sir Jeremy said that Labour’s Conference Arrangements Committee was looking into the incident and would report back today (THU).
Halifax MP Linda Riordan said that Mr Wolfgang’s harsh treatment gave her “an uneasy feeling.”
She added: “It was tactless and unnecessary. The Foreign Secretary is perfectly capable, given his experience, of dealing with hecklers.”
HSA5994 4 HHH 531 PA
1 LABOUR Iraq Protest ANGER AS ELDERLY IRAQ HECKLER IS THROWN OUT
By Andrew Woodcock and Vivienne Morgan, PA Political Staff
An elderly delegate was thrown out of the debating chamber at Labour's Brighton conference today after heckling Foreign Secretary Jack Straw over the Iraq War.
The man, believed to be in his 80s, was bundled out of the hall's balcony after shouting 'That's a lie' as Mr Straw rejected calls for British troops to be brought home from Iraq.
A younger man sitting nearby was also ejected after complaining about his treatment at the hands of stewards.
Their behaviour was condemned as "very heavy-handed" by Labour MP Linda Riordan, whose own attempt to have Iraq debated was blocked by conference organisers.
And a protest about the incident was raised on the conference floor by Mole Valley delegate Carol Hayton, who told session chairman Sir Jeremy Beecham: "We are very concerned about the way in which a gentleman of over 80 was manhandled from the balcony.
"Perhaps more appropriate action could have been taken, but this was an 80-year-old gentleman and I am sure that Jack Straw, a politician of great experience, is able to deal with events of this kind without that kind of response from our stewards."
Sir Jeremy said that Labour's Conference Arrangements Committee was looking into the incident and would report back tomorrow.
Ms Riordan's Halifax constituency party tabled an emergency resolution calling for phased withdrawal of British troops.
But this was ruled out of order by the CAC, which instead gave the go-ahead to debates on issues including gender equality.
The MP said she was "very disappointed" at the decision: "We've had one speaker in this debate on Iraq and we have 8,000 of our troops there.
"The silence on Iraq at this conference is deafening, absolutely deafening."
She said that the treatment of the heckler gave her "an uneasy feeling".
"You can't stop ordinary members of the Labour Party having a debate about Iraq," said Ms Riordan. "It's not taking place in the conference hall, but it is going on in the bars and the corridors."
Ms Riordan was sitting just a few rows in front of the ejected man when he began shouting.
"He was immediately surrounded by three or four stewards and physically lifted off his feet and bundled out of a side door," she said.
"The treatment was very heavy-handed. It was over the top.
"It was tactless and unnecessary. The Foreign Secretary is perfectly capable, given his experience, of dealing with hecklers."
Ms Riordan's predecessor as Halifax MP, the prominent anti-war campaigner Alice Mahon, also witnessed the incident.
She told Sky News: "We were listening to Jack talking about Iraq. This gentleman shouted 'That's rubbish, that's a lie'.
"Two or three of the security people dived on him. This other chap a couple of rows in front turned round and said 'You must be joking', because this was simple political heckling. He wasn't threatening anybody.
"He got manhandled out as well. I think they were really over the top."
A Labour Party spokesman said: "Following a disturbance in the visitors' balcony, two people were escorted out, having been asked three times to be quiet."
end 281510 SEP 05
EMBARRASED Labour conference officials promised an inquiry yesterday after an 82-year-old delegate was brutally forced from the hall simply for expressing dissent.
Walter Wolfgang - a Labour Party member for 60 years - was roughly manhandled from the hall by stewards yesterday after he heckled Foreign Secretary Jack Straw over the war on Iraq.
The delegate, sitting in a balcony section, shouted “That’s a lie” as the Foreign Secretary rejected calls for British troops to be withdrawn.
As the Blairite thugs ejected him, another delegate began shouting “Leave him alone”. Stewards then turned on him and shovd him out of the hall.
Their behaviour was condemned as “very heavy-handed” by Labour MP Linda Riordan, whose own attempt to have Iraq debated was blocked by conference organisers.
A protest about the incident was raised on the conference floor by Mole Valley delegate Carol Hayton, who told session chairman Sir Jeremy Beecham: “We are very concerned about the way in which a gentleman of over 80 was manhandled from the balcony. “
Sir Jeremy said that Labour’s Conference Arrangements Committee was looking into the incident and would report back today (THU).
Halifax MP Linda Riordan said that Mr Wolfgang’s harsh treatment gave her “an uneasy feeling.”
She added: “It was tactless and unnecessary. The Foreign Secretary is perfectly capable, given his experience, of dealing with hecklers.”
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Update from Brighton
28.09.2005 16:40
disgusted Labour member
So this is how opposition will be treated in Blair's vision of the future.
28.09.2005 16:58
So this is Blair's vision for the future this in UK 2005 - what vision, what future? And the left wing MP's stay "silent in the night" all hoping they can manipulate (what ever you do dont trust the workers) the political system under a Browm premiership??
So what do we think of those that should speak out and fail to do so time after time after time - see this new cartoon of four poodles (no 1 on the page) from Political cartoons.
http://www.political-cartoons.co.uk/latest.htm
Neil
http://fightbackuk.blogspot.com/
P.S Did you notice how the Conference Hall was half empty for a key note speech from Jack Straw - says all you need to know about todays Labour Party - they inspire no one (message to Tony Bliar its called "SOCIALISM" - what your father never taught you)!.
Neil Williams
Homepage: http://fightbackuk.blogspot.com/
A day of depraved news, and victory for Blair
28.09.2005 17:32
New Labour (New Reich), it does EXACTLY what it says on the tin. Jewish Warlord Straw glorying in the genocide of 300,000+ Iraqis, and the destruction of their entire country. You better believe that he hears anyone in the hall make so much a squeak of disagreement, he's going to have FIVE of his best goons work over that person. And if anyone dares to object to Straw's brutalisation of an 80-year old guy, well THAT person is an instant 'terrorist', to be taken down immediately.
New Labour (New Reich), it does EXACTLY what it says on the tin!!!!
There was a MORE important story today than New Reich supporters getting a dose of what they so happily give others.
A Muslim was sent down for 2 MONTHS for showing another adult a video of one of Blair's Iraq beheadings during a conversation about the Iraq war, and with the other person's consent, and a warning that the video was very disturbing.
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Younis had shown Ms Clay the footage during a conversation about the Iraq war after offering to let her see something that would "cause her a sleepless night", said Mr Sellar. The shop worker replied: "Aye, right," the court heard.
QUOTE
"In my view, the woman had no idea about what she was about to view. No reasonable person might have anticipated viewing such dreadful and distressing images in such circumstances. I struggle to understand why any decent individual would have images showing the degradation and death of another human being regardless of their race, political or religious persuasion."- magistrate Euan Edment
When I was 10, I saw FAR WORSE IMAGES OF DEATH from the films taken during the liberation of concentration camps on ITV's World at War.
I have watched as Steven Spielburg, for his own financial profit, glorified such images in his Film Schindler's List
I have seen men, women, and children with their hands sliced off on a recent documentary on CNN.
I HAVE ALSO HEARD THAT WHEN PEOPLE IN NAZI GERMANY PRODUCED EVIDENCE OF THE ATROCITIES COMMITTED BY HITLER AND HIS FORCES, THEY WERE JAILED, PUT IN A CONCENTRATION CAMP, OR EXECUTED.
I always wondered what kind of sick, twisted, depraved monsters would have to work in the legal system of Nazi Germany in order to get these guilty sentences passed. It would seem that Scotland has a reincarnation of one of these Nazi judges.
ONE THING IS FOR CERTAIN, AND THAT IS THAT NO JEW IS GOING TO GO TO PRISON IN THE UK FOR SHOWING IMAGES FAR WORSE TO UNSUSPECTING VIEWERS, OR SCHOOLCHILDREN, WHEN THESE IMAGES ARE OF JEWS DEAD OR DYING.
My position, of course, is that jews and muslims should be free to show such images to consenting adults, with the courtesy of a warning. Any other position recreates the policies of Nazi Germany, where only the suffering of the master-race counts.
As a last thought, given that Scottish courts have always sickened me, I would like to remember the occasion when Scottish courts stated that the children of a mother who refused to allow her children to be sado-masochisticly raped at school, could be forcibly removed from her, and placed in a children's home for the specific purpose of facilitating their rape.
I don't give a sh*t it you hate the words I have just posted. Sado Masochism was identified as a significant Human Sexual Fetish more than one hundred years ago, and Scottish children were beaten for the sexual pleasure of the teachers, both against their will, and in most cases, below the age of consent. This is the definition of RAPE that is used today (one person committing an act against an unwilling second person, for the sexual pleasure of the first). What I want to know is why Scottish courts have always been so depraved???
twilight
keep it in perspective...
28.09.2005 22:34
realist
Breach of the peace
28.09.2005 23:47
Showing someone this video with the intention of causing them distress is a sick act, but is it really worthy of a prison sentence? But what if there was a less sinister intention? Education of the evil things done in conflict and terrorism? The video of Mr Bigley's murder is freely circulating on the Internet. I have not seen it (what would I learn if I did?) but many have. Are the operators of the hosts from which it may be downloaded equally guilty?
This is a most unsatisfactory conviction in my opinion. And this is far more important than the original story about someone being chucked out of a stage managed meeting for heckling.
I do wonder about twilight's motives though. He/she/they/it does/does/do/does seem to have a lot of time on his/her/their/its hands right now.
RVR800
more insane security
29.09.2005 07:17
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4291424.stm
Also did you know that the man thrown out was lifted by the police when he tried to get back in under the terrorism act. Just what sort of society are we living in here
Karl
Tony Blair wants a New World Order where the non elite are economic slaves
29.09.2005 11:25
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The 2005 Labour Party Conference in Brighton was not a debate, but a controlled stage managed show. Even Cherie Blair's sister was intimidated by a Labour thug because she joked she might bring up the illegal war Tony Blair started in Iraq.
This is what you can look forward to under New Labour and its dictator ID cards – the Nazis.
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