Talk: Israel's Wall of Shame
manos | 21.09.2005 00:00 | Repression | Cambridge
Israel's West Bank Barrier has become the most visible manifestation
of the Israeli military occupation and most pressing issue for
Palestinians. Often misleadingly called a "fence", the considerable
structure snakes through the West Bank on Palestinian land, leaving
Palestinians on the wrong side isolated from their land, extended
families, and way of life.
of the Israeli military occupation and most pressing issue for
Palestinians. Often misleadingly called a "fence", the considerable
structure snakes through the West Bank on Palestinian land, leaving
Palestinians on the wrong side isolated from their land, extended
families, and way of life.
manos
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Misleading
21.09.2005 04:41
Whilst most Palestinian propaganda shows a concrete wall, in fact, the sections where a solid wall has been built are only a small part of the total anti-terrorist fence project. When the entire project is completed (including the section near Jerusalem), the walled sections will make up only about 5% of the total.
In other words, YOU are misleading by referring to it as a wall, and a liar by suggesting that Israelis are misleading. Here are references, show me yours:
http://securityfence.mfa.gov.il/mfm/web/main/missionhome.asp?MissionID=45187&
Furthermore, there is demonstrable evidence that the fence has reduced terrorist attacks.
Why is this a problem for you? I can completely understand why preventing Palestinian terrorist attacks against Israelis would be a "pressing issue" for the Palestinians. Destroying Israel was always more important than education, jobs or welfare. The PA did nothing to stop terror, a fence did, in a completely non-violent manner. No use crying about it now. But you will....
I don't suppose terrorism will be discussed at your meeting?
Bullshit detector
'Truce' with Palestinians
21.09.2005 07:51
Israel demands this truce, blames poor old Mahmoud when some faction violates it and then the Hasbarah troops insist that it is the wall which has reduced Palestinian attacks. Israel of course has continued with its war crimes regardless of the fall in attacks.
A true "bullshit detector" would see the laager mentality of zionism for what it truly is, a perverted and racist ideology out of step with life in the 21st century.
Abu Mazen's Grumpy Granny
The barrier
21.09.2005 08:12
The barrier is mostly fence with only a small amount solid wall. Fact
There are no recorded, documented cases of farmers being permanently cut off from their land. Fact
Jack
A wall? What wall?
21.09.2005 11:27
Can you feel the love?
Jack is lying: fact!
21.09.2005 12:27
Now it is a fact that it has stopped suicide bombings in Israel, no-one is disputing this. But what most Palestinians are asking is if Israelis want that fucking wall/fence why don't they build it on the green line??? Practically I agree with this position, though I do believe that bulding bridges would fight terror much better than causing more. Palestine has become even more of a pressure cooker, and any kind of fence will not be able to keep the lid on that. If Israel is concerned about security they can do what 65-75% of their populatiuon wants to get rid of the settlements and end the occupation. Now that is fact and not make beleive fiction
Khawaga
BUILDING CONCENTRATION CAMPS
21.09.2005 15:17
IT IS FACT THAT HEBRON IS BECOMING A CONCENTRATION CAMP
IT IS FACT THAT CALENDYA BECAME A CONCENTRATION CAMP
IT IS FACT THAT QALQILYA BECAME A CONCENTRATION CMP AND IT IS FACT THAT ALL OF THIS WHO DEFEND THIS ARE NOTHING BUT FASCISTS
SEE AND JOIN THE "STOP THE WALL" CAMPAIGN
ENOUGH
What ????
21.09.2005 15:39
Find out some facts - you look foolish
FACT: Jack is a liar and a troll
21.09.2005 18:30
http://www.btselem.org/english/Settlements/Land_Takeover.asp
http://www.mafhoum.com/press3/99S27.htm
http://www.cfr.org/publication.html?id=7628
http://www.amin.org/eng/uncat/2005/jan/jan24.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1753517,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1402261,00.html
http://www.btvshalom.org/factsheet/barrier.shtml
http://www.aidc.org.za/?q=book/view/446
http://www.ariga.com/5759/law004.htm
600 Palestinian villages destroyed in 1948 - how many refugees?
John O' Reilly
ALL INFORMATIONS ABOUT THE WALL OF CONCENTRATION CAMPS
21.09.2005 21:19
http://www.stopthewall.org/
ENOUGH
anarchitecture
21.09.2005 22:00
http://www.eurozine.com/article/2004-08-12-pullan-en.html
from "A one-sided wall", by Wendy Pullan:
"And yet, not all walls impose such draconian conditions, nor are all inherently bad. To some extent, our present understanding is conditioned by the modern study of the nature of borders. At the end of the nineteenth century, the new discipline of political geography began to distinguish between the relatively broad border region or fringe, and the borderline itself which was essentially an abstract line on a map. Such an observation spawned much ensuing interest and research into the culture of border areas; even more significantly, it is also a reflection on the idea that certain lines of division should never be fully realised. In some ways, this recalls practices of many centuries earlier; the Romans, for example, ploughed a furrow, usually circular and known as the poemerium, ritually to mark the extent of a new town. Under normal circumstances, the poemerium was only loosely echoed in the city walls, which deviated as necessary and were added to and changed over time to represent the practical structures of daily life; the result was an important but distant memory of the poemerium."
Published 2004-08-12 in "Index on Censorship"
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