such informed opinion should never be questioned...

such deep analysis..

i am in awe

i mean why should i bother to
actually read the thing
when your expert opinion
is so spot on

thanks buddy

eh?

someone who wants to abolish the state and all oppressive relations of force whilst establishing a vicious state based on oppressive relations of force. D'uh!

Diversion

"The Scotsman" is a moonbat far-Left Scottish newspaper"

The Scotsman is in fact a right-wing tory rag owned by the same family that owns the Daily Telegraph, but hey! why let the facts get in the way of a good rant!

The Scotsman left wing? Fond of conspiracy theories? Is this irony, or just poorly researched?

The reasons why Libya admitted to the Lockerbie bombing are somewhat hazy, but the picture gets much
better when you check out the list of appointments to the Knights of Malta , I wonder if the demented original poster has heard of these fine folks ? Colonel Gadafty (H.E. Colonel Muammar El-Gaddhafi, K.U.O.M.)signed up on 07.02.04 only a few weeks after italian president H.E. Carlo Azeglio Ciampi,
and Dr Silvio Berlusconi, K.U.O.M. who both enrolled on 20.01.04 along with the leader of the house
Dr Pierferdinando Casini, K.U.O.M. most of the top dogs of Italian politix are on board and H.M the Queen is
thrid from the top Fra' Andrew W.N Bertie is the head honcho of the whole operation / crime syndicate or what ever our non conspiracy brethren (and sisteren) like to call it. and looking down the list one finds
H.E. Gerhard Schröder, K.U.O.M. 05.11.01 also keen on a spot of crusading, this lot is better than Bilderberg and also rarely get a mention on IMC .. I wonder why ?

so the few million quid that Libya paid to the victims of the attack on the Pan Am airliner was in actual fact the signing up few to the KOM ?
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H.E. Oscar Luigi Scalfaro, K.U.O.M. 16.11.95
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H.E. Lennart Meri, K.U.O.M. 26.04.01
H.E. D.Dr.h.c. Johannes Rau, K.U.O.M. 02.11.01
H.E. Prof. Dr Rexhep Meidani, K.U.O.M. 18.02.02
H.E. Constantinos Stephanopoulos, K.U.O.M. 05.09.02
H.E. Glafkos Clerides, K.U.O.M. 05.09.02
H.E. Milan Kučan, K.U.O.M. 07.10.02
H.E. Aleksander Kwaśniewski, K.U.O.M. 25.10.02
H.E. Arnold Rüütel, K.U.O.M. 01.10.03
H.E. Carlo Azeglio Ciampi, K.U.O.M. 20.01.04
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H.H. Sheikh Jaber Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah, K.U.O.M. 14.03.04
H.E. Ion Iliescu, K.U.O.M. 03.10.04
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H.E. Oscar Luigi Scalfaro, K.U.O.M. 11.10.93
H.E. Dr Egon Klepsh, K.U.O.M. 25.03.94
H.E. Dr Mario Soares, K.U.O.M. 09.10.94
H.Emm. Cardinal Angelo Sodano, K.U.O.M. 04.02.95
H.E. Count Don Carlo Marullo di Condojanni, K.U.O.M. 13.01.00
H.E. Toomas Savi, K.U.O.M. 30.04.01
H.E. Mart Laar, K.U.O.M. 30.04.01
H.E. Frau Christina Rau, K.U.O.M. 05.11.01
H.E. Gerhard Schröder, K.U.O.M. 05.11.01
H.E. Wolfgang Thierse, K.U.O.M. 05.11.01
H.E. Mrs Jolanta Kwaśniewska, K.U.O.M. 25.10.02
H.E. Leszek Miller, K.U.O.M. 25.10.02
H.E. Longin Pastusiak, K.U.O.M. 25.10.02
H.E. Marek Borowski, K.U.O.M. 25.10.02
H.E. Constantinos Simitis, K.U.O.M. 14.11.02
H.E. Apostolos Kaklamanis, K.U.O.M. 14.11.02
Senator Marcello Pera, K.U.O.M. 20.01.04
Dr Pierferdinando Casini, K.U.O.M. 20.01.04
Dr Silvio Berlusconi, K.U.O.M. 20.01.04

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Dr Vittorio Janelli, K.O.M. 28.12.95
Dr Gaetano Scelba, K.O.M. 28.12.95
Prof. Vincenzo Sammartino, K.O.M. 28.12.95
Mr Michele Cosentino, K.O.M. 28.12.95
H.E. Frà Ludwig Hoffman von Rumerstein, K.O.M. 13.01.00
H.E. Albrecht Freiherr von Boeselager, K.O.M. 13.01.00
H.E. Marquis Gian Luca Chiavari, K.O.M. 13.01.00
H.E. Don Sforza Ruspoli, K.O.M. 24.05.00
H.E. Roumen Hristov, K.O.M. 30.03.01
H.E. Ilia Lazarov, K.O.M. 30.03.01
Mrs Aino Lepik von Wirèn, K.O.M. 30.04.01
Mr Walter Karschies, K.O.M. 05.11.01
Dr Wolfgang Schultheiss, K.O.M. 05.11.01
Mr Michael Steiner, K.O.M. 05.11.01
Dr Klaus Erich Scharioth, K.O.M. 05.11.01
Mr Busso von Alvensleben, K.O.M. 05.11.01
Mr Pantelis Kouros, K.O.M. 04.10.02
Mr Jan Truszezynski, K.O.M. 25.10.02
Mr Andrzej Majkowski, K.O.M. 25.10.02
Mr Heike Loot, K.O.M. 01.10.03
Squad Admiral Sergio Biraghi, K.O.M. 20.01.04
Prefect Alberto Ruffo, K.O.M. 20.01.04
Dr Arrigo Levi, K.O.M. 20.01.04
Dr Francesco Alfonso, K.O.M. 20.01.04
Dr Paolo Peluffo, K.O.M. 20.01.04
Prof Louis Godart , K.O.M. 20.01.04
Prof Gianfranco Mazzuoli, K.O.M. 20.01.04
Ambassador Giovanni Castellaneta, K.O.M. 20.01.04
Min. Plen. Cesare Maria Ragaglini, K.O.M. 20.01.04
Min. Plen. Giampiero Massolo, K.O.M. 20.01.04
Min. Plen. Paolo Pucci di Benisichi, K.O.M. 20.01.04
Min. Plen. Umberto Lucchesi Palli, K.O.M. 20.01.04
Dr Roberto Formigoni, K.O.M. 20.01.04
Dr Gabriele Albertini, K.O.M. 20.01.04
Dr Salvatore Cuffaro, K.O.M. 20.01.04
Mr Guido Lo Porto, K.O.M. 20.01.04

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H.E. Count Don Carlo Marullo di Condojanni, K.O.M. 08.10.92
Dr Alberto Bernardes Costa, K.O.M. 10.10.94
Dr Alfredo Duarte Costa, K.O.M. 10.10.94
Dr Mario Ruivo, K.O.M. 10.10.94
Dr Estrela Serrano, K.O.M. 10.10.94
Mr Baltazar Ferreira, K.O.M. 10.10.94
Dr Alberto Cerqueira di Oliveira, K.O.M. 10.10.94
Mr Gaetano Cortese, K.O.M. 28.12.95
Mr Pasquale Terraciano, K.O.M. 28.12.95
H.E. Ambassador Dr Francesco Guariglia, K.O.M. 13.01.00
H.E. Prince Don Paolo F. Boncompagni Ludovisi, K.O.M. 13.01.00
Mrs Nery Terzieva, K.O.M. 30.03.01
Mr Indrek Tarand, K.O.M. 30.04.01
Mr Uno Lõhmus, K.O.M. 30.04.01
Mr Christodoulos Pasiardis, K.O.M. 04.10.02
Mr Christos Patsalides, K.O.M. 04.10.02
Mr Alexandros Zenon, K.O.M. 04.10.02
Hon. John Beveratos, K.O.M. 14.11.02
Hon. Theodoros Sotiropoulos, K.O.M. 14.11.02
H.E. Danae-Madeleine Koumanakou, K.O.M. 14.11.02
Mr Dimitrios Avramopoulos, K.O.M. 14.11.02
Mr Tarmo Mänd, K.O.M. 01.10.03
Mr Toomas Luman, K.O.M. 01.10.03
Mr Raul Mälk, K.O.M. 01.10.03
Min. Plen. Michele Valensise, K.O.M. 20.01.04
Dr Filippo Romano, K.O.M. 20.01.04
Counsellor Maria Letizia Puglisi, K.O.M. 20.01.04
Dr Massimo Sgrelli, K.O.M. 20.01.04
Counsellor Giovanni Maria Veltroni, K.O.M. 20.01.04
Dr Sebastiano Cardi, K.O.M. 20.01.04
Dr Pietro Sebastiani, K.O.M. 20.01.04
H. E. Mr Jānis Lūsis, K.O.M.16.02.04
Ambassador Mārtiņš Perts K.O.M. 16.02.04
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Mr Joachim Hietzig, U.O.M. 21.09.96
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Mr Charles Vassallo, U.O.M. 21.09.96
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Mr Vernon R. Loucks Jr, U.O.M. 31.03.98
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Mr Vladimir Kissyov, U.O.M. 30.03.01
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Ms Gudrun Maria Sräga, U.O.M. 05.11.01
Dr Ursula Freifrau von Langermann, U.O.M. 05.11.01
Prof Dr.h.c. Viktor Dulger, U.O.M. 13.12.01
Mr Eugene F. Loveland, U.O.M. 21.09.02
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You are very interested in this old story but for 7/7 you act as the thought police. Circulate. Nothing to see. Everything is normal.

Why ?

um... because there is actually some substance to the story. This was a REAL conspiracy to pull the wool over our eyes. Fuck all to do with Israel tho...

The poster being berated in this post may be a lot of things (a barking mad fruitcake loon for a start) but I don't think it's fair to call him an antisemite based on a critical stance of Zionist/Israeli foreign policy... even if I do think he's wrong.

There's a big differene in believing that there is some grand conspiracy involving SOME imperialist Jews to diminishing all Jews on the basis of ethnicity. Or are you saying that ALL Jews support the idea of an expansionist Israel, or even the idea of Israel at all for that matter?

heres a question

why, if someones says the word 'jew'

do others automatically think

"banker" or "elite"

if someone says the word Afro-American

do you automatically think

"athlete" or "thief" or "drug dealer"

or if someone says the word Arab
do you think

"oil" or "shifty" "terrorist"




dur!!!!!!!!


the whole anti-semite 'conspiracy'
game is a
straw man fallacy

exactly the same as any criticism of
'Neocons' leads to the anti-semite card being played


neocons range from neo christians to jewish-Americans to
Iranian exiles....etc

dont ya get it yet?

its s defensive use of psyops
utilizing comparitive
semiotics as thought criminality

It was one of those "newspapers" giving credence to the neonazi "theory" claiming that the Jews knocked down the World Trade Center on 9-11 to make the poor al-Qaeda Arabs look bad. Such "theories" have become commonplace on the web sites of leftist moonbats and Right-wing neonazis, including antiwar.com.


You are absolutely right,couple of arab guys with box cutters ,indestructable bombproof passports,and the ability to place a missile on the undercarriage of the plane that hit the WTC just before they boarded the plane did it.
Oh, and before they boarded the planes they placed detonation charges in the 3 buildings just in case they missed the towers.And the Israelis filming and dancing on the rooftops where all psychic Uri Gellers ,no advanced warning,they just had a feeling it was all going to happen

Dont know why i bothered searching for the truth when DTN obviously has all the answers.


Go back to sleep folks nothing happening here,move along now.Arabs did it.
You have as many fingers up as you say you have.

And heres me believing in Democracy so much ive never even voted.

Thanks DTN looking forward to reading your informative blog.

Deputy Dog

Please forget the missile fitted under the WTC plane. There is no evidence of it, really.

This claim is I believe obviously planted to discredit 9/11 researchers as a whole.

Where a missile has been fired into is the Pentagon. That's pretty obvious.

The fall of the towers is obviously due to the skills of controlled demolition engineers. There is some evidence indicating demolition charges have been fitted the week before, starting Thursday 6. It's little known so I developp a little bit :

"September 12, 2001 : The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday.Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed."

 http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/manhattan/wtc/ny-nyaler122362178sep12,0,6794009.story

Dunno if there are any israelis that have been filmed joyfully dancing on rooftops. It does not appear to be in the realm of the impossible to me but some hard evidence is needed otherwise it is pointless to even speak about it.

As for the few arabs sacrified in the operation, I am not sure they even boarded the planes.

No more than I am sure any "suicide bombers" were in London on 7/7.

"Giuliani Safety & Security LLC" is the US equivalent of Visor Consultants.

"Giuliani Security & Safety is a division of Giuliani Partners, focused on investigative, safety, security, and emergency consulting and analysis. Giuliani Security & Safety provides services related to threat and vulnerability assessment, crisis management and emergency planning strategies, crime reduction and prison management, and security management strategies. Accountability, credibility, and leadership are at the core of Giuliani Security & Safety's services, solutions, and personnel. The Giuliani Security and Safety team includes experts from both the private and public sector with unparalleled experience and a demonstrated commitment to excellence and integrity."

 http://www.giulianipartners.com/press.aspx

They offer expensive "protection" to businesses and governments.

By an extraordinary bout of chance, not only Visor Consultants but Giuliani as well happen to be on the scene of the crime when it happens on 7/7. They both profit by it as Pasquale J. D'Amuro braggs about :

 http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_30/b3944039_mz011.htm

So well, if there is not here a case to be urgently addressed I don't know where there is another one.

Surely not in Lockerbie and the Knight of Malta conspiracy which is nothing but a diversion.

Let's give em something to chew on that's never going to be proven or legally investigated as Lybia officially acknowledged its culpability.

And moreover something that is totally unrelated to the ongoing War On Terror scam unlike the 9/11 and 7/7 fairy tales told by the US and UK authorities who are both the very fuel of it and are as well both so easy to debunk for anyone with a little bit of a brain.

"The fall of the towers is obviously due to the skills of controlled demolition engineers"


Oh Nooo. Not the old rubbish about fire not knocking out steel buildings, and so on. Where to start?

Does steel fail in normal fires? Well, lets look at some building regulations.

The Scottish Regs, section D, are a bit detailed -  http://www.scotland.gov.uk/build_regs/sect-d.pdf - but you'll notice do flag up the need for fire protection in structural components and steelwork.

In England, Part B of the Regs flags up a similar position - its not available on-line free but Corus (who know a thing about steel) have a useful and relatively non-technical summary at  http://www.corusconstruction.com/legacy/fire/images/fireres_section1.pdf . Some of you will note on page 5 the admission that most unportected steel sections only have fire integrity for about 15 minutes.

The Canadian Regs aren't available on-line free either, but their national buildings institute flags up across all their documents the risk posed by fire and the need for protection - see, by way of example,  http://irc.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/cbd/cbd071e.html .

The New Zealand and Australian steel codes, (SNZ, 1997 and SAA 1990) are very
similar to each other. The NZ regs section C4 requires....wait for it......structural protection of steel in fire ( http://www.building.govt.nz)

Now what is required to protect steel against even a domestic fire for, say, half an hour. British Gypsum give us a useful summary, but similar advice permeats construction advice around the globe: http://www.british-gypsum.bpb.co.uk/pdf/wb_bsc%20prin_07_05.pdf. Note the opening comments on page 14 and then the page after page of details necessary to provide fire protection at the end. You'll see BG also do seperate systems to encase and protect steel beams.

Further afield, a lot of bodies and firms focus on the fire performance of steel:

 http://www.shef.ac.uk/fire-research/steelinfire/previous_meetings.html
 http://www.corusconstruction.com/page_1416.htm
 http://www.bfrl.nist.gov/866/CIB_W14/workprog.htm (you'll like this one, engineers)

Then we have this helpful thesis by an engineer in NZ:

 http://www.civil.canterbury.ac.nz/fire/pdfreports/KLewis.pdf

Note in particular the strength/temperature/yield grading charts


So yes, steel does fail at fail structurally. Now I can start doing the same level of discussion about widescale fires on a large structure, the likelihood of fairly uniform failure, and what those of us in the construction industry know as the pancake collapse effect. But its getting too like a day at the office.

I put it to you that the performance of steel in fire and need for protection to prevent catastrophic failure in fires is universally acknowledged. There is little meaningful dissent from the construction professions that the collapse pattern is entirely plausible.

So are nuts like our friend here suggesting a consipracy involving not thousands, or tens of thousands, but hundreds of thousands of architects, engineers, surveyors, contractors, building control officers, and steel manufacturers the world over. It is not only incredible (in the dictionary sense) but wholly implausable.

Yet time and time again we see the same old conspiracy theories rehashed. The theorists cannot come up with cogent, meaningful responses. Its bombs. Its the Israelis. Its government stool pigeons. Its stiffled opposition. Its spooks on Indymedia.

Rubbish. Its woolly thinking and unsupported hypothethis which is debunked by anyone with a basic understanding of evidencial issues and the brains to think things through.

Thinking it over, perhaps i went a bit out of my depth one of my numerous comments.

"None of this is groundbreaking news. Israel had nothing to do with it."

Giving the matter greater thought and bearing in mind that since the end of WW2 various Israeli and Jewish groups have tracked down and assassinated supposed nazi war criminals where ever they happened to be.
I say supposed because these people were not given a fair trial in fact they were not given any trial at all
rather than being brought to justice, justice was brought to them.
Well this is all well and good and there have been plenty of films made to "prove" that these guys were the baddies and they deserved to get it in the neck and obviously the guys who were bumping them off were nazi hunters and always portrayed in true Hollywood style as the goodies, cowboys and indians and all that kinda ting. But despite these guys impecable street creds two rather dangerous precedents were set I mean we are talking about mafia style hits out on the streets, 1) Mossad became experts at bumping people off anywhere in the world and 2) also the best at spreading mis/disinformation and just as an added flavour they were /are not too fussy about who they bumped off.
So while you couldn't exactly blame them for say all the communists that were wiped out in the Santiago stadium or for compiling the lists of commies that Suharto was to murder, by request of the great purveyors of democracy, in Indonesia they have rather cornered the market for tactical operations where it's gotta look like someone else, preferably from the other side, did it. Ambigiuty being the key word like their nukes which they refuse to admit or deny or how do they put it.......