Flour bombs
pc | 21.08.2005 21:48
so this is what all the fuss was about?
why didn't the bomb squad tell the
Intellignce people who followed and killed Menezes?
they had a few hours or so
why didn't the bomb squad tell the
Intellignce people who followed and killed Menezes?
they had a few hours or so
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My Tube bomb only had flour in it, says suspect
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
By Bruce Johnston in Rome and John Steele (Filed: 04/08/2005)
Hamdi Issac, the July 21 London bomb suspect held in custody in Rome, reportedly claimed yesterday that his backpack contained only flour and was designed merely to frighten. Issac, known in Britain as Hussain Osman, was said to have "morally repented" for his alleged involvement in the abortive terrorist attacks.
"I was wrong," Issac, 27, a Briton of Ethiopian origin, told his lawyer, Maria Antonietta Sonnessa. She has confirmed that he admitted taking part in the attacks. The suspect in the failed Shepherd's Bush Underground bombing was also quoted as saying: "If I could, I'd turn the clock back and I wouldn't do it again." According to Italian newspapers, he claimed not to have planned to kill anybody in the attack, "let alone myself". "I value life too highly," he said. "I've never thought of dying. Just the thought of it terrifies me. It was a demonstrative action. In that backpack there was a detonator, but the rest was flour. It was only supposed to go bang, and frighten people."
His claims came as a 23-year-old man, believed to be an associate of Issac, last night became the first person to be charged in connection with either the July 7 or the July 21 attacks on the London transport system. Ismael Abdurahman, of Newport Street, Kennington, south London, will appear in court today charged with withholding information about Issac, one of four alleged would-be suicide bombers on July 21.
In Rome, a judge who has the British extradition request for Issac indicated yesterday that there could be a decision this month. Crown prosecutors issued a European arrest warrant after Issac was arrested at his brother Remzi's home in Rome last Friday.
"Tomorrow or the day after, a date for the hearing will be fixed," said Judge Domenico Massimo Miceli. "I believe that the debate could unfold by the end of August."
Miss Sonnessa rejected as "offensive" suggestions that she was seeking a deal with authorities to give her client "supergrass" status in return for his co-operation. The British embassy in Rome denied suggestions that the Crown Prosecution Service and Metropolitan Police were unhappy with co-operation from the Italians. Many claims being reported were incorrect, a spokesman said.
Scotland Yard did not despatch a number of officers within 24 hours of the arrest in Italy; one senior investigating officer was following the proceedings and liaising with the Italians. All requests made by the prosecuting authorities had been dealt with promptly by the Italians, and documentation provided by the British was full and complete.
The Italian authorities had requested clarification on an administrative aspect. "This has not delayed extradition proceedings," said the spokesman.
The Italian authorities had arrested Osman and his arrest had been validated by a judge, but this did not amount to a formal charge. - Telegraph
http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/08/04/nbomb04.xml
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
London bomb suspect tells British police his device wouldn't have killed anyone
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
08.09.2005, 12:10 PM
ROME (AFX) - Hamdi Issac, a suspect in the failed July 21 bomb attacks in London, said his improvised explosive was made from an agricultural substance, a defoliant and flour and would not have killed anyone even if it had detonated properly, a Italian judge Domenico Miceli said.
He told reporters that the 27-year-old Briton of Ethiopian origin was cooperating with three British police investigators who travelled to Rome to question him, the ANSA news agency reported.
Speaking after the questioning session at Regina Coeli prison where Issac is being held, Miceli said the suspect replied calmly and without hesitation for two hours.
'The cooperation with the English officials is very good. The first part of the interrogation was mine, followed by Scotland Yard's questions,' said Miceli, a Rome appeal court judge, referring to the British police.
Issac, also known as Osman Hussein, also said he had only wanted to make a 'bang' with his device as a protest against the war in Iraq, where Britain is the staunchest ally of the US, the judge said.
'We knew from the start that we wouldn't hurt anyone. You can see that just by looking at the bombs that were recovered. Our action was a demonstration against the massacres committed every day in Iraq,' Issac was quoted as saying.
Issac, who was arrested in Italy on July 29 three days after fleeing Britain, has been charged with 'international terrorism' and holding false identity papers.
British police asked to be allowed to question Issac about the attacks, a near-carbon copy of the July 7 bombings on London's transport system in which 56 people died, including four suicide bombers.
Britain has requested his extradition, and a hearing has been scheduled for Aug 17.
http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx/2005/08/09/afx2176319.html
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
so this is why Menezes was killed because they thought he was Osman Hussein???
do me a favour!
he was silenced
My Tube bomb only had flour in it, says suspect
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
By Bruce Johnston in Rome and John Steele (Filed: 04/08/2005)
Hamdi Issac, the July 21 London bomb suspect held in custody in Rome, reportedly claimed yesterday that his backpack contained only flour and was designed merely to frighten. Issac, known in Britain as Hussain Osman, was said to have "morally repented" for his alleged involvement in the abortive terrorist attacks.
"I was wrong," Issac, 27, a Briton of Ethiopian origin, told his lawyer, Maria Antonietta Sonnessa. She has confirmed that he admitted taking part in the attacks. The suspect in the failed Shepherd's Bush Underground bombing was also quoted as saying: "If I could, I'd turn the clock back and I wouldn't do it again." According to Italian newspapers, he claimed not to have planned to kill anybody in the attack, "let alone myself". "I value life too highly," he said. "I've never thought of dying. Just the thought of it terrifies me. It was a demonstrative action. In that backpack there was a detonator, but the rest was flour. It was only supposed to go bang, and frighten people."
His claims came as a 23-year-old man, believed to be an associate of Issac, last night became the first person to be charged in connection with either the July 7 or the July 21 attacks on the London transport system. Ismael Abdurahman, of Newport Street, Kennington, south London, will appear in court today charged with withholding information about Issac, one of four alleged would-be suicide bombers on July 21.
In Rome, a judge who has the British extradition request for Issac indicated yesterday that there could be a decision this month. Crown prosecutors issued a European arrest warrant after Issac was arrested at his brother Remzi's home in Rome last Friday.
"Tomorrow or the day after, a date for the hearing will be fixed," said Judge Domenico Massimo Miceli. "I believe that the debate could unfold by the end of August."
Miss Sonnessa rejected as "offensive" suggestions that she was seeking a deal with authorities to give her client "supergrass" status in return for his co-operation. The British embassy in Rome denied suggestions that the Crown Prosecution Service and Metropolitan Police were unhappy with co-operation from the Italians. Many claims being reported were incorrect, a spokesman said.
Scotland Yard did not despatch a number of officers within 24 hours of the arrest in Italy; one senior investigating officer was following the proceedings and liaising with the Italians. All requests made by the prosecuting authorities had been dealt with promptly by the Italians, and documentation provided by the British was full and complete.
The Italian authorities had requested clarification on an administrative aspect. "This has not delayed extradition proceedings," said the spokesman.
The Italian authorities had arrested Osman and his arrest had been validated by a judge, but this did not amount to a formal charge. - Telegraph
http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/08/04/nbomb04.xml -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
London bomb suspect tells British police his device wouldn't have killed anyone
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
08.09.2005, 12:10 PM
ROME (AFX) - Hamdi Issac, a suspect in the failed July 21 bomb attacks in London, said his improvised explosive was made from an agricultural substance, a defoliant and flour and would not have killed anyone even if it had detonated properly, a Italian judge Domenico Miceli said.
He told reporters that the 27-year-old Briton of Ethiopian origin was cooperating with three British police investigators who travelled to Rome to question him, the ANSA news agency reported.
Speaking after the questioning session at Regina Coeli prison where Issac is being held, Miceli said the suspect replied calmly and without hesitation for two hours.
'The cooperation with the English officials is very good. The first part of the interrogation was mine, followed by Scotland Yard's questions,' said Miceli, a Rome appeal court judge, referring to the British police.
Issac, also known as Osman Hussein, also said he had only wanted to make a 'bang' with his device as a protest against the war in Iraq, where Britain is the staunchest ally of the US, the judge said.
'We knew from the start that we wouldn't hurt anyone. You can see that just by looking at the bombs that were recovered. Our action was a demonstration against the massacres committed every day in Iraq,' Issac was quoted as saying.
Issac, who was arrested in Italy on July 29 three days after fleeing Britain, has been charged with 'international terrorism' and holding false identity papers.
British police asked to be allowed to question Issac about the attacks, a near-carbon copy of the July 7 bombings on London's transport system in which 56 people died, including four suicide bombers.
Britain has requested his extradition, and a hearing has been scheduled for Aug 17.
http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx/2005/08/09/afx2176319.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
so this is why Menezes was killed because they thought he was Osman Hussein???
do me a favour!
he was silenced
pc
Comments
Hide the following 5 comments
Innocent question ?
22.08.2005 08:00
Of course the chit chat featured the security experts, in whose interest it is to create as much
fear as possible due to massive contracts ect ect, and the the cops who also have their own hidden agenda.
But basically i under stood or was led to believe that the type of explosvie used in the second attack was the same as the that in the first attack only it had past it's sell by date.
It is actually possible to make a bomb out of flour and fertilizer so if what Issac is saying is the whole truth and nothing but the truth why didn't he just stick an empty cardboard box in his ruck sack along with the detonator ? did the flour and other shit make that much difference ?
I am not slagging you off, if you decide to respond try to keep it cool, I do agree with a lot of the stuff you have been posting but not everything.
N
don't jump out of your pram
How reliable are Met statements?
22.08.2005 09:08
This article:
The disinformation over the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes is public knowledge, and shows that we should be wary of statements issued by Sir. Ian Blair and his underlings.
They shoot electricians, don't they?
pigstate!
22.08.2005 14:17
UK shoot-to-kill order still stands
--------------------------------------------------------
By DAVID WILLIAMS and BEN TAYLOR
21 aug 05 LONDON:
Beleaguered Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair says his force's shoot-to-kill policy will stay, despite the blunders that led to Jean Charles de Menezes' death.
Sir Ian, who insists there was no cover-up following the death of the innocent Brazilian, said his officers would continue shooting to kill suspected suicide bombers.
"The methods that were used appeared to be the least-worst option (for tackling suicide bombers) and I remain persuaded of that, and we still have the procedure in use," he said.
The policy, Operation Kratos, was reviewed after police shot dead Mr de Menezes at Stockwell Tube station in south London after mistaking him for a terrorist. But despite one or two small changes it "remains essentially the same".
Sir Ian gave no details of the changes and if they related to a specific order to open fire or challenge a suspect. -
sundaytimes.news.com.au
--------------------------------------------------------
UK terror alert lowered
--------------------------------------------------------
21/08/2005 14:13 - (SA)
London - The official level of threat to Britain from a terrorist attack has been lowered, secretly, for the first time since the July 7 bombings in London, the Sunday Telegraph said.
Intelligence officials have reduced the threat level from "critical" - the highest rating - to "severe general" because sources do not have any specific information relating to imminent repeat attacks, it said.
Although the "threat" level is down a notch, the "alert" level remains at its highest, the newspaper said. That level governs how buildings and public transport are guarded.
The move was taken by the Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre on Thursday, the newspaper said, despite public warnings from Metropolitan Police chief Ian Blair that further attacks remain likely.
Fifty-six people were killed, including four apparent Islamist suicide bombers, in the July 7 attacks on three Underground subway trains and a double-decker bus -- the worst ever on British soil.
A copycat attack on July 21 failed when bombs packed into rucksacks did not go off. Three prime suspects have been charged with attempted murder and a fourth is awaiting extradition from Italy.
- news24.com
--------------------------------------------------------
ergo: de-facto police state
--------------------------------------------------------
does this mean that
now No threat levels are needed to
shoot on sight...?
I think it does
pc
Another IMC classic!
23.08.2005 19:02
Far more trustworthy, therefore, is someone who has admitted taking part in what appears at least at first sight in a serious terrorist attack, has been arrested and is facing deportation to Britain, a trial and the possibility of a very long prison sentence.
Of course, every word he says might be the absolute truth. But it says something about the strange inverted values of many people here that it's assumed that they are, and that no-one seems to have spotted that he might have an interest in obscuring his real intentions.
This comes back to the more fundamental problem surrounding the whole set of issues around 7/7, 21/7 and the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes. Trial by media is much more fun than gathering evidence, putting it before a court, having witnesses give sworn testimony and having a jury of citizens deliver a verdict based on all the known facts of the case.
In the meantime, I'll be taking statements by the government and police with the customary pinch of salt and those by captured terrorist suspects with two.
Zorro
er...zorro...
24.08.2005 14:06
then how can we believe him when he 'admits he is the 'ringleader'
??????????????????????
continue ad infinitum, and finish up your arse
pc