‘Nothing to link Muslims with attacks’
Financial Times | 28.07.2005 17:39
Just enough for the LIARS in the Blair Gov't to weave an elaborate Conspiracy Theory, and the media to air such dangerous speculation. The media doesn't even repeat claims from Governments when the Mossad is suspected of something. Imagine if the suspects had been Israeli?
Perhaps they are ...
Perhaps they are ...
‘Nothing to link Muslims with attacks’
By Jonathan Guthrie
Published: July 27 2005 20:24 | Last updated: July 27 2005 20:24
Mohammed Naseem, Birmingham's most prominent Muslim leader, claimed yesterday there was nothing to prove Muslims carried out bomb attacks in London on July 7 and 21.
The comments of the chairman of Birmingham Central Mosque are surprising given the wealth of evidence, including DNA matches and CCTV images, linking at least eight young Muslim men to the outrages.
However, his views are held by a significant number of British Muslims. Some blame the US and Israel for terrorist attacks such as September 11, revealing a deep distrust of the British authorities.
Mr Naseem denied there was any convincing evidence the September 11 attacks on New York had been carried out by the al-Qaeda terrorist organisation. He said: “Muslims across the world know of no organisation called al-Qaeda. That information comes from the CIA.”
Mr Naseem, who represents a congregation of several thousand, was speaking in Bordesley Green close to the scene of yesterday's police anti-terrorism operation. Asked whether he believed Muslim terrorists attacked London on July 7 and 21, he said: “I have not seen the evidence for that.” He said: “All we have is CCTV camera photos, identity cards and driving licences. These could have been innocent men.”
Talib Hussain, a representative of Birmingham council who was also present, said: “Certain faith groups have been identified as being behind [the bombings] and that is wrong.” Mr Naseem said Muslims had lost faith in anti-terrorist police and the security services.
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"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order. " --David Rockefeller
"Oil is much too important a commodity to be left in the hands of the Arabs." --Henry Kissinger
We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent." Jewish Banker Paul Warburg, February 17, 1950, as he testified before the U.S. Senate
All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level, that even the most stupid of those toward whom it is directed will understand it... Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise. - Adolf Hitler
"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."
Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio
"No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
Thomas Jefferson
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
Thomas Jefferson
"The great masses of people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one. Especially if it is repeated over and over."
-- Adolph Hitler
If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator.
-- President G. W. Bush
"I never would have agreed to the formulation of the Central Intelligence Agency back in '47, if I had known it would become the American Gestapo. "
-- Harry S Truman (1961)
"The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the CFR, The Trilateral Commission - founded by Brzezinski for David Rockefeller - and the Bilderberger Group, have prepared for and are now moving to implement open world dictatorship within the next five years. They are not fighting against terrorists. They are fighting against citizens." - Dr. Johannes B. Koeppl, Ph.D., former German defense ministry official and advisor to former NATO Secretary General Manfred Werne
"The United States is not nearly so concerned that its acts be kept secret from its intended victims as it is that the American people not know of them." –U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark
"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order. " -David Rockefeller
"If the New World Order agenda is not realized by the terrorist attacks on America and if American's don't agree to give up their weapons and relinquish their sovereignty to the New World Order, the next attack will be the use of chemical, biological and/or atomic warfare against the American people. The architects of the New World Order will not hesitate to use as a last resort an atomic or hydrogen bomb in a major American city." -Reference Op Ed page of the New York Times 9/24/01
"Once a government resorts to terror against its own population to get what it wants, it must keep using terror against its own population to get what it wants. A government that terrorizes its own people can never stop. If such a government ever lets the fear subside and rational thought return to the populace, that government is finished." -Michael Rivero
"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government." -- Henry Kissinger speaking at Evian, France, May 21, 1992 Bilderburgers meeting. Unbeknownst to Kissinger, his speech was taped by a Swiss delegate to the meeting
"We need a common enemy to unite us." - Condoleeza Rice, March 2000
"but there's no conspiracy...they just say this stuff for the fun of it...because they are the smart leaders of the world...HISTORY IS REPEATING ITSELF"
By Jonathan Guthrie
Published: July 27 2005 20:24 | Last updated: July 27 2005 20:24
Mohammed Naseem, Birmingham's most prominent Muslim leader, claimed yesterday there was nothing to prove Muslims carried out bomb attacks in London on July 7 and 21.
The comments of the chairman of Birmingham Central Mosque are surprising given the wealth of evidence, including DNA matches and CCTV images, linking at least eight young Muslim men to the outrages.
However, his views are held by a significant number of British Muslims. Some blame the US and Israel for terrorist attacks such as September 11, revealing a deep distrust of the British authorities.
Mr Naseem denied there was any convincing evidence the September 11 attacks on New York had been carried out by the al-Qaeda terrorist organisation. He said: “Muslims across the world know of no organisation called al-Qaeda. That information comes from the CIA.”
Mr Naseem, who represents a congregation of several thousand, was speaking in Bordesley Green close to the scene of yesterday's police anti-terrorism operation. Asked whether he believed Muslim terrorists attacked London on July 7 and 21, he said: “I have not seen the evidence for that.” He said: “All we have is CCTV camera photos, identity cards and driving licences. These could have been innocent men.”
Talib Hussain, a representative of Birmingham council who was also present, said: “Certain faith groups have been identified as being behind [the bombings] and that is wrong.” Mr Naseem said Muslims had lost faith in anti-terrorist police and the security services.
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"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order. " --David Rockefeller
"Oil is much too important a commodity to be left in the hands of the Arabs." --Henry Kissinger
We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent." Jewish Banker Paul Warburg, February 17, 1950, as he testified before the U.S. Senate
All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level, that even the most stupid of those toward whom it is directed will understand it... Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise. - Adolf Hitler
"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."
Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio
"No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
Thomas Jefferson
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
Thomas Jefferson
"The great masses of people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one. Especially if it is repeated over and over."
-- Adolph Hitler
If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator.
-- President G. W. Bush
"I never would have agreed to the formulation of the Central Intelligence Agency back in '47, if I had known it would become the American Gestapo. "
-- Harry S Truman (1961)
"The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the CFR, The Trilateral Commission - founded by Brzezinski for David Rockefeller - and the Bilderberger Group, have prepared for and are now moving to implement open world dictatorship within the next five years. They are not fighting against terrorists. They are fighting against citizens." - Dr. Johannes B. Koeppl, Ph.D., former German defense ministry official and advisor to former NATO Secretary General Manfred Werne
"The United States is not nearly so concerned that its acts be kept secret from its intended victims as it is that the American people not know of them." –U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark
"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order. " -David Rockefeller
"If the New World Order agenda is not realized by the terrorist attacks on America and if American's don't agree to give up their weapons and relinquish their sovereignty to the New World Order, the next attack will be the use of chemical, biological and/or atomic warfare against the American people. The architects of the New World Order will not hesitate to use as a last resort an atomic or hydrogen bomb in a major American city." -Reference Op Ed page of the New York Times 9/24/01
"Once a government resorts to terror against its own population to get what it wants, it must keep using terror against its own population to get what it wants. A government that terrorizes its own people can never stop. If such a government ever lets the fear subside and rational thought return to the populace, that government is finished." -Michael Rivero
"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government." -- Henry Kissinger speaking at Evian, France, May 21, 1992 Bilderburgers meeting. Unbeknownst to Kissinger, his speech was taped by a Swiss delegate to the meeting
"We need a common enemy to unite us." - Condoleeza Rice, March 2000
"but there's no conspiracy...they just say this stuff for the fun of it...because they are the smart leaders of the world...HISTORY IS REPEATING ITSELF"
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Terror Keeps People Compliant
28.07.2005 21:01
The articles listed below present striking evidence that high-level insiders within the military/industrial/government complex orchestrated, facilitated, or at least allowed the July 7, 2005 London bombings. The evidence points to UK insiders as well as insiders from the US and possibly other nations. The evidence raises the possibility that the bombings may have occurred with absolutely NO involvement by "Islamic extremists," Iranians, Syrians, or anyone else likely to be blamed when the Official Explanation is unveiled.
The evidence includes the fact that a 1,000-person strong London underground bombing 'exercise' was underway AT THE SAME TIME the London bombings occurred (heard about the multiple US war games underway on 9/11, some of which included live-fly 'hijacked' aircraft?) and the fact that the shadowy "Al Qaeda-Related" website where postings claimed responsibility for the bombings was hosted in Maryland--right next door to Washington, D.C.
Question: how are we to respond if the greatest real threat to our security, our liberty, and our very lives now comes, in fact, from rogue elements--well-connected insiders--within our own governments? For starters, how about this: 1) Demand an end to the sham "War on Terror" (a "war" which, by definition, is meaningless), 2) Demand that the so-called USA Patriot Act be repealed, and 3) Convene an independent, international citizen's tribunal on ending all state-sponsored terrorism, worldwide? What ideas do you have?
READ THE ARTICLES BELOW, AND SPREAD THE WORD NOW--BEFORE THE OFFICIAL MYTH IS SPUN.
AND URGE YOUR CONGRESS MEMBERS, NOW, TO *REPEAL* THE USA PATRIOT ACT, WHICH CONGRESS IS CURRENTLY CONSIDERING MAKING PERMANENT.
For background information on 9/11 and state-sponsored terrorism, please read on.
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A FEW THINGS YOU MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT 9/11
The Official Explanation of 9/11 is an UNPROVEN conspiracy theory; that the attacks were planned and conducted by 19 or 20 "Al Qaeda Islamic jihadists" who conspired under the direction of a cave-dwelling, kidney-impaired Osama Bin Laden, with no foreknowledge or involvement by anyone within the US government.
THIS CONSPIRACY THEORY AND THE "9/11 COMMISSION REPORT" HAVE BEEN THOROUGHLY DEBUNKED BY U.S. AND INTERNATIONAL RESEARCHERS. Even the videos in which Osama purportedly takes responsibility for 9/11 have been debunked (by mainstream British media, among others) as having been doctored and/or faked.
The warmongering mainstream media (and the majority of "liberal" media, including "The Nation" magazine and most voices on Pacifica radio) won't tell you this, and only a few courageous Members of Congress have dared to speak the truth...so far.
But you can educate yourself.
Spend some time at www.911truth.org, www.globalresearch.ca, and the websites linked to in the lists of articles below. Watch the bizarre collapse of 40-plus-story tall WTC Building 7 (unexplained in the 9/11 Commission's report) at www.wtc7.net. Get a copy of Canadian journalist Barry Zwicker's documentary "The Great Conspiracy: The 9/11 News Special You Never Saw" (see www.greatconspiracy.ca).
Read the article "The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie" by Christian theologian Dr. David Ray Griffin at www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050523112738404.
Read the books listed at the end of this article.
And consider the following, from page 194 of John Perkins' 2004 book, "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man":
"I recalled reading that the World Trade Center was a project started by David Rockefeller in 1960, and that in recent years the complex had been considered an albatross. It had the reputation of being A FINANCIAL MISFIT, UNSUITED TO MODERN FIBER-OPTIC AND INTERNET TECHNOLOGIES, AND BURDENED WITH AN INEFFICIENT AND COSTLY ELEVATOR SYSTEM. Those two towers once had been nicknamed David and Nelson. Now the albatross was gone."
Mr. Perkins doesn't mention this, but it's also been reported that the World Trade Center needed costly asbestos-abatement work. (Halliburton, or one of its subsidiaries, has been among the construction firms involved in asbestos-liability lawsuits; is it possible that the WTC's asbestos problem was also a Halliburton problem?)
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THE MOST IMPORTANT BOOK YOU HAVEN'T YET READ ABOUT 9/11 AND STATE-SPONSORED TERRORISM
Webster G. Tarpley's book "9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA" is a book you need now. It's so new it's hard to find in stores, but it's available via www.waronfreedom.org/index.html#synth and elsewhere online. Tarpley's overall conclusions are remarkably consistent with the conclusions of other independent 9/11 researchers, while each researcher offers uniquely valuable insights; see the book list below.
Here are a few insights from Tarpley's book (with all-caps emphasis added):
"9/11 was an example of state-sponsored, false-flag, synthetic terrorism, herinafter called simply synthetic terrorism. My thesis is that the 9/11 events were organized and directed by a rogue network of high government and military officials of the United States, with a certain participation by the intelligence agencies of Britain and Israel, and with a more general backup from the intelligence agencies of...Australia, New Zealand, [and] Canada." (p. 10)
"SYNTHETIC TERRORISM IS A STRATEGY USED BY OLIGARCHS FOR THE PURPOSE OF WAGING WAR ON THE PEOPLE--PARTICULARLY ON THE MIDDLE CLASS ... My own understanding of these events is informed by having experienced first hand, as analyst, journalist, and author, the Italian and German terrorism of the 1970s and 1980s. ...The kidnap-murder of former Italian Prime Minister Aldo Moro had reached its tragic climax in May 1978, when Moro's body was found ... Moro had been killed by NATO intelligence, using the Red Brigades as tool and camouflage at the same time." (p. 8)
"What happens when the wars, policies and institutional changes desired by the ruling elite are inimical to the vast majority of citizens and cannot gain their understanding or support? ...under these conditions, especially if the political and economic systems are in crisis, state-sponsored terrorism may emerge" (p. 59)
"...the vast majority of international terrorism conducted on a spectacular scale is indeed state-sponsored terrorism." (p. 59)
"With the publication of the [Kean-Hamilton 9/11 Commission report], the pattern of cover-up and incompetence on the part of the officially constituted investigative agencies of the United States Government is complete. Since September 11, 2001, no part of the United States Government has offered a convincing, coherent or complete explanation of the events of that day, and of other events related to them. Indeed, NO US GOVERNMENT AGENCY HAS EVER SO MUCH AS PROPOSED TO PROVE THE TRUTH OF THE OFFICIAL ACCOUNT..." (p. 13)
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ARTICLES REGARDING THE LONDON BOMBINGS
"London Underground Bombing 'Exercises' Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack"
www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/090705bombingexercises.htm
"When the Cops Are the Crooks"
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3318
"Al Qaeda Website Tracks Back to...Maryland?
www.whatreallyhappened.com/alqmaryland.html
"Who's Behind the Bombings in London Town?"
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3325
"The London Bombings"
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3324
"London Blasts Boost Bush([search]) and Blair"
www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/070705Ruyssenaars/070705ruyssenaars.html
"The Wayne Madsen Report"
"al-Qu'eda or al-a'diversion?'
www.globalresearch.ca (at Home page, search for Article 661)
"Has the British Government Aided Bin Laden's Sect?"
www.thewahhabimyth.com
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IMPORTANT RECENT ARTICLES REGARDING 9/11
"Former MI5 Agent Says 9/11 An Inside Job"
www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/270605insidejob.htm
"One-On-One Interview With Ray McGovern, Former CIA Senior Analyst, Who Warns U.S. Headed Down a Fascist Road and Highly Critical of President Bush and Neo Con Explanations of WMD, 9/11 and Manipulation of Intelligence Gathering"
www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/28552.htm
"Media Big Shots at NBC and New York Times 'Hush Hush and Evasive' About Why WTC Janitor Story Never Appeared, a Story That Blows the Official 9/11 Account Sky High"
www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/28901.htm
"The Struggle Against Terrorism Cannot Be Won by Military Means" (by former UK official Robin Cook)
www.guardian.co.uk/g8/story/0,13365,1523839,00.html
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BOOKS THAT DEBUNK THE OFFICIAL MYTH--THE "BIG LIE"--ABOUT 9/11
"9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA" by Webster G. Tarpley (also a co-author of "George [H. W.] Bush: The Unauthorized Biography," which you can download for *free* at www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm)
"The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions" by Christian theologian Dr. David Ray Griffin
"The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions about the Bush Administration and 9/11" by Christian theologian Dr. David Ray Griffin
"Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil" by former LA police([search]) narcotics investigator (and editor of the website/newsletter www.fromthewilderness.com) Michael Ruppert
"Inside Job: Unmasking the 9/11 Conspiracies" by Jim Marrs (bestselling author also of "Crossfire" and "Rule by Secrecy")
Don't Fall for the PsyOps
If you're going to make yourself look daft
29.07.2005 06:46
A
Jihadists do exist!
29.07.2005 06:56
and maybe read Neil Doyle's great book 'Terror Tracker' (subject of a DA-Notice on its press coverage - due to the ongoing trial of Abu Hamza, the opening of which coincided with the current wave of bombs).
Incidentally I see a Labour MP has already called for the resignation of that Birmingham cleric. Shame on the careerist fool.
Simon
Horse's mouth
29.07.2005 07:37
Simon
One again "PsyOps" tries to discredit the left
29.07.2005 09:38
I am becoming increasingly disturbed by the possibly secret-state directed efforts of the poster going under the name "don't believe the psyops" to distract the left from credible debate and discussion.
>>Attentive journalists have already uncovered solid evidence that the London bombings >>were an "inside job," orchestrated--or at least "allowed" to happen--by industry and
>>government insiders (US, UK, and/or others).
Er, there is no solid evidence of this at all. Anywhere. There is just baseless rambling.
>>WE HAVE A CHANCE RIGHT NOW--BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT AND MEDIA SPIN >>A MYTH THAT WILL EXPAND THEIR WARS--TO DEMAND AND LEARN THE TRUTH.
Apparently we are to believe that imperialist wars have no ideological consequences, and that some of the people suffering as a result have no autonomous modes of resistence. Some of that resistence is progressive and legitimate; some of it is reactionary - even in the case of al-qaeda style ideology analogous with fascism in the way it feeds on real problems but offers reactionary solutions.
But "psyops" seems to think "our wars" play out without any consequences among victim populations. This is reactionary bullshit.
>>The articles listed below present striking evidence that high-level insiders within the >>military/industrial/government complex orchestrated, facilitated blah blah
No they don't. They present unadultered drivel based on nothing.
>>The evidence points to UK insiders as well as insiders from the US and possibly other >>nations.
No it doesn't. There isn't any such evidence.
>>The evidence includes the fact that a 1,000-person strong London underground >>bombing 'exercise' was underway AT THE SAME TIME the London bombings occurred
This is not a fact as presented. It seems there was an office based "exercise" (if you can call it that) by a private security firm run by ex-state employees, and that's it.
>>the fact that the shadowy "Al Qaeda-Related" website where postings claimed >>responsibility for the bombings was hosted in Maryland--right next door to Washington, >>D.C.
One claim of responsibility was made on www.qal3ah.org, which is registered to someone in Abu Dhabi. I don't know what significance where sites are hosted is supposed to have.
chatteron
another option
29.07.2005 10:03
why I cant guess but maybe something to do with the rainforest??
enginer
agreed
29.07.2005 19:24
Unfortunately, this doesn't just happen with reactionaries. There are many people involved in left-wing activism who look for the same out from looking critically at themselves and how they perpetuate power structures. Some people try to discredit discussions about race or gender by claiming that class is the only form of oppression or feminists try to claim that only gender is important. Others just resort to conspiracy theories that support a warped worldview that everyone is oppressed equaly by secret forces and in the process, deny any personal accountability.
I agree that the people who distract everyone with this drivel are annoying, but I'm not sure if developing your own conspiracy theory about their secret motives is the best way to refute them.
'nother yank
Focus Is Interesting
29.07.2005 21:05
Don't Fall for the PsyOps
Hello Golfballs!
29.07.2005 23:38
Psyops and Chat can argue for a while about who swings to the left or right or the largactyl barmy army side of things. There are ummah out there who don't care where you swing - they want to swing us all by the neck. They may well be a creation of imperialist foreign policy, not to mention Operation Gladio. But they do exist and those of us here on indymedia hoping for a world free of capital and alienation are the same as Fox News to them.
Dirty Kuffar
Oh really?
30.07.2005 07:04
Positively ID'ed spooks, eh? I assume that's old PsychoOops term for anyone who disagrees with his "opinion pieces" or shows a healthy degree of cynicism when it comes to the wilder theories.
Well okay mate...on you go, prove that any correspondents are government/securtity forces plants. Real proof. Betcha can't.
Paranoid Pete
Focus Still Interesting
31.07.2005 18:32
They'll be able to help you out, as they have a wealth of experience in this area, as have the magazines I contribute to.
PS - "Chatterton"? Just a pointer: People I know who are involved in the Opposition/Social Justice Movement don't refer to themselves as "The Left".
That label is most often applied by the Hard Right, in an attempt to misrepresent their Opposition's beliefs, popularity, and diversity, as well as hide how far to the Right, outside of the mainstream they, themselves, really are.
What they refer to is actually an Informed Centre ...
Just one thing that identifies you right off.
Do Some Digging
Keep digging
31.07.2005 22:42
Hmm. Wonder why so few folk believe you?
Paranoid Pete
Whatever, Chatterbox
31.07.2005 22:59
PS - "Chatterton"? Just a pointer: People I know who are involved in the Opposition/Social Justice Movement don't refer to themselves as "The Left".
That label is most often applied by the Hard Right, in an attempt to misrepresent their Opposition's beliefs, popularity, and diversity, as well as hide how far to the Right, outside of the mainstream they, themselves, really are.
What they refer to is actually an Informed Centre ...
Just one thing that identifies you right off.
PPS - Spooks most often claim that posters on IMC have no support. It's simply Disinformation. Most people I know who are involved with IMC fully understand the problem of Spooks which arose in 2000.
Volume of Spook Droppings Very Telling
Columbo eat your heart out...
01.08.2005 20:05
So you cannot, or will not, substantiate your claims that the site is the subject of disinformation or reactionary comments by government/security service operatives but expect us to believe you? And if we have the temerity to question this strange stance, we are too classed simply as "spooks" and "trolls"?
Oh dearie, dearie, me......
One last time. Prove your original claim. Properly. Betcha can't.
Paranoid Pete
Gee, You Wouldn't Be One, Wouldya?
01.08.2005 23:06
What A Mystery ...
It gets worse
02.08.2005 17:06
>>PS - "Chatterton"? Just a pointer: People I know who are involved in the Opposition/Social >>Justice Movement don't refer to themselves as "The Left".
I dare say. But it's a damn good descriptor and I can't think of a better one. It is also widely used on "the left" (for want of a better term).
See for example (and my use of these links doesn't imply approval of the political positions of the writers - I just put them forward as evidence that the term is widely used across the social-justice spectrum):
" It is already one of the strongest parties of the left in Europe"
And so forth.
So please stop talking bullshit.
chatterton
Typical Manipulation, Right On Cue
02.08.2005 23:31
I'm talking about the Informed Centre, the majority opposition to this Neo-Fascism which has been hoisted upon us by the people who employ you to be here.
And I should also add that, while many Government Plants have been routed out and positively-ID'ed, so have even more people who volunteer to do this work, most of whom are dispatched by Hate Sites such as LGF, Front Page, etc ...
All they're missing now are the brown shirts.
Nice Try, Spook