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London bombers had nail bombs for 'second strike'

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Last night ABC News in America screened unauthorised images of the damage left by the London bombs on July 7, and of unexploded devices found in a car parked at Luton railway station.


This is a transcript of the interview between ABC presenters Elizabeth Vargas and Pierre Thomas, and Robert Ayers, a security analyst who was shown the pictures




VARGAS: We have exclusive, new details tonight about the terrorist attacks that killed 56 people in London two and a half weeks ago. There were four suicide bombings, three in the subway and one on a bus. ABC News has learned that the bombers left behind a large stash of unexploded bombs in a car, 16 in all. ABC News has also obtained the first photographs of the wreckage those bombs caused deep in the subway tunnels. In London, here is ABC's Pierre Thomas.


THOMAS: These exclusive photographs show the devastation inside the London subway lines after the July 7 attacks. This is the train at Edgware Road where seven people were killed. Eight people died on this train between the Liverpool and Aldgate stations. And this shows the train between King's Cross and Russell Square, where 27 were killed.


AYERS: There is considerable damage there. You can see it has blown out the sides, it has blown out the roof.


THOMAS: Bob Ayers is a security consultant with expertise in explosives, based here in London.


AYERS: That was a good-sized bomb that that man took down there and set off.


THOMAS: And there is more troubling news. ABC News has learned the July 7 plot may have been much larger than previously known. Sources familiar with the investigation tell us an additional 16 bombs were found in a car, believed rented by suicide bombers Shehzad Tanweer. That car was found five days after the attacks in Luton, when the bombers boarded a train to London.


AYERS: I believe that the explosives that were left in that car were left there for a second strike. But the Metropolitan Police responded so quickly, they were able to get to the car and take control of the car before the second team could get the explosives and leave.


THOMAS: These pictures obtained by ABC News show the bombs for the first time. The bombs were made of homemade high-explosives. Some were packaged like pancakes. Some had nails for use as shrapnel. An x- ray picture of one of the bombs in the trunk of the car show a deadly concoction.


AYERS: You see what is bulging on the sides of the bottle are nails. Many, many nails. And the nails are put there so that when the bomb goes off, the nails will tear tissue and kill people in the area. Bombs don't kill by concussion. Small bombs, they kill by the blast effects of fragments of glass or metal, and this is designed to kill people.


THOMAS: So now, Elizabeth, you understand why police here in London are so deeply concerned. They are in a race against time, against people who want to kill.


VARGAS: All right.


Times


 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22989-1710681,00.html

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Who is Bob Ayers???????
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quote from above

"Bob Ayers is a security consultant with expertise in explosives, based here in London. "

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an expert in explosives?....er try... INFORMATION WARFARE
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Bob Ayers is director of ParaProtect, an IT security company, and the former chief information-warfare officer at the US defence department. - source 1
 http://support.casals.com/aaaflash1/busca.asp?ID_AAAControl=4688

 http://www.paraprotect.com/


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excerpt from a talk given by Bob Ayers:
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Robert Lee Ayers is a Director for Critical National Infrastructure Defence for Northrop Grumman Mission Systems Europe
A former US DoD official, Bob now is a UK citizen

This presentation will examine the characteristics of an effective program for defending the nations Critical computing and communications systems. The audience will gain the knowledge required to understand how to construct a national CNI Defence programme. Target audience: Senior government officials.


Interestingly he differentiated between a "conventional war" and a "logical war". In his words, there is a "clear indication of victor" in a conventional war. As well, a conventional war is, as Clausewitz would agree, between nation states, whereas a logical war is not.


He uses this terminology, which some people may not be familiar with: Strategic warning: You are going to be attacked Tactical warning: You have been attacked


An interesting point he made is that with a "logical war" you have difficulty knowing how bad the problem is.


All good indicators are observable and measurable possess a state of normality are logically predictive of the anticipated event takes place sufficiently far in advance of the event to allow you to take an action


"One indicator of a nuclear attack is a bright light in the sky. However, it is not a GOOD indicator because you don't have time to respond"


He claims that logical attacks have no strategic warning and that tactical warning requires rapid data collection and effective reporting mechanisms, which are almost always missing.


Offensive IW techniques occur prior to declaration of war.


I would say that IW is also extremely hard to model - which means hard to train for! (The military motto of "train like we fight" is nearly impossible to achieve, in my opinion.)

 https://lists.immunitysec.com/pipermail/dailydave/2004-October/001032.html


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Calling something 'national critical infrastructure' is another way of giving the military control of something civilian

 https://www.immunitysec.com/pipermail/dailydave/2004-October/001039.html

a comment made by someone attewnding that presentation
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so we have a n article by the Times transcripting an ABC
News show, which in effect PURE PSYOPS

WE HAVE TALK OF EXPLOSIVES BY
AN EXPERT IN INFOWARFARE

FOR NORTHRUP GRUNMANN & THE PENTAGON


ASK YOURSELF THIS:

WHERE DID THE LUTON 7-7 2005 CCTV REALLY COME FROM???

WHERE DID THE CCTV OF THE LATEST BOMBINGS 21-7-2005 REALLY COME FROM?

WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE???