[G8] Blockades still going on in M9 near Stirling
xare | 06.07.2005 07:12 | G8 2005
A call to the Stirling Camp IMC center informs us that the M9 is still blocked.
The group working there is blocking the road and going into the fields and hiding in the bushes and then coming back.
The group working there is blocking the road and going into the fields and hiding in the bushes and then coming back.
xare
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Why?
06.07.2005 07:27
Just like the morons smashing up a residential street in Stirling, action like this achieves NOTHING and does immeasurable harm to the cause.
Idiots, all of you.
Sanity
Good luck with the blockades!
06.07.2005 08:01
Ignorance achieves nothing.
Sanity
Sorry, but...
06.07.2005 08:34
This stupid action will not stop the summit. And even if it did, what, exactly would you hope to achieve by doing so? For the first time in history a meeting like this is being used to discuss climate change and global inequality with the eight most powerfull men on the planet. The people who can actually do something about it. By all means demonstrate and tell them what you think they should do but these blockades are pointless. Even if they worked they would be counter-productive.
Engage brains before throwing hubcaps.
Sanity (1)
pointless?
06.07.2005 08:55
The blockades *are* a way to "demonstrate and tell them what you think". Do you think you need a license to protest from the people you are protesting against? That is not "sanity".
Sanity
oh the naivety
06.07.2005 08:55
I'd advise that somebody so woefully naive should be less free with the insults. Do you really live in a universe where the G8 leaders sit down to try to solve poverty? In this universe they have a clear and consistent record of using these meetings to screw more wealth out of the world.
sigher
Good action!
06.07.2005 09:04
Fight Capitalism! Block / Smash G8 & WTO !
All the best &... power to the people!
Civilian
Because...
06.07.2005 09:06
The point: Prevent or disrupt to the maximum extent the gathering of violent extremists.
It would be excellent to stop the summit from taking place, but we should be happy if we can reduce the amount of planning done by these radicals.
YOU are not going to end poverty by walking around a city one Saturday of your life, watching a concert or even donating generously to good-hearted charities. If you can't deal with some traffic jams, one freaking day of your selfish life, what sacrifices are you willing to make in order to end poverty? Will you wait for politicians to do it for you? Keep waiting. We won't.
I haven't heard from the residential street in Stirling. If there has been “smashing”, then I agree with you that this violence does harm the cause.
Join us.
R
R
Destruction is a creative urge
06.07.2005 09:17
Do what they wilt harm none. freedom of association freedom of speech and freedom of will
Defend yerself against attack (by Pigs etc)
Property is theft
Acts of property damage are not violent
S*M*A*S*H the G HAte
Carlos the Jackass
Hmmm...
06.07.2005 09:25
OK Carlos, does that mean I can grab your mobile phone and then stamp on it so it doesn't work any more? Then you won't be able to keep in touch with the events going on at other blockades.
But I'll be striking a meaningful blow against the dubious means by which cobalt is stripped out of the DRC; an act of far gretaer symbolism than hitting a police van with a golf club, no?
Fair enough?
John
Now who's being naive?
06.07.2005 09:56
What's that sound? Is is the noise of eight world leaders shaking in their boots?
Anyway, while you're all out and about I thought I'd go and burn down your 'eco-camps' as destruction of property is not violence and it's perfectly OK to destroy things if you don't agree with what you think their owners believe in, right?
S1
Smash!!!!
06.07.2005 10:09
No-body
Hacked Off Now
06.07.2005 10:27
Sod off.
And reveal your faces. If you really do want to make a stand against capitalism, don't do it from a position of eays anonymity! Show your face, show your humanity, and THEN "smash" things.
What are you scared of? That your friends will find out what you get up to on your "holidays"?
John
Vicious Cops!
06.07.2005 10:36
Just why the hell these cops are so
violent against the protestors?
Just look at this man shouting
and waving his baton in the air!
Looks like he would like kill
this guy!
I bet he would even hit his
own child just to get the
satisfaction.
Sick mutherfucker!
kk
Insanity
06.07.2005 10:50
Nobody can sympathise with your "cause" when you resort to actions like this.
I take my hat off to the police who in my opinion have acted very calmly (perhaps too much so) in the face of such vile provocation.
The sooner the open up the water cannons on the lot of you the better. Drive you back into the sewers where you belong.
Not Swampy Anyway
at least something to be happy about :)
06.07.2005 11:15
"eight officers needed hospital treatment for injuries suffered in the clashes"
> at least something to be happy about :)
wacko!
John the Pumpkin
06.07.2005 11:17
Whose friends?
Hereby, I recognize only my enemies.
You may squat my body, not ME!!!
Because I am inbehind of you, before and upon you.
I am not tied there where you are, in the brain and heart, cause I have SOUL.
People, everybody, let's make the work completed, let's occupy the lines.
Those who write, write, it is time for an ACTION!!!!!!!!
Make them brain USE!
I am ordinary, but I am not everybody, cause I am NO-BODY!!
WRITE, EVERYBODY SITTING AT PC: WRITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No-body
Long live protests, long live anarchy, short lived violence
06.07.2005 11:25
Having said this, I think that the attacks on the police or on shop windows are not just puerile but also terribly detrimental:
1/ What kind of message do you want to give? Have you even thought about that?
2/ Do you really think you have a chance of getting anywhere when the Police have far superior number and equipment?
3 and most importantly/ This frequent mindless vilence turns vast numbers of supporters off. Not many people would want to join a protest when it is so likely to become dangerous. And on too many occasions, it becomes dangerous not because of the cops but because of a small number of lunatics - unfortunately many of them call themselves anarchists, I wonder if they have any clue what anarchism actually is, I see them more as angry kids, if not agent provocateurs.
As a conclusion, it is my opinion that everything possible and realistic should be done on the protesters side to try and prevent such useless violence.
I am not 'non-violent', I am an anarchist activist and I wholeheartidly support the anti-G8 actions - bar the smashing of towns and attacks on others, because it makes it dangerous for everyone present, won't lead anywhere in this precise situation and turns everyone off our cause.
Think about it for a moment.
KgVinnie
We have to do something
06.07.2005 11:49
We can't just let it happen again and again. We can't be content with their 'solutions', and say 'at least we tried', we have to fight, and keep fighting.
Vas
keep safe.
06.07.2005 11:52
99
repeat message
06.07.2005 12:02
In the light of the violent demonstrations; it is one thing to react, but any resulting consequences will have to be accounted for by the reacting bodies. Can we set an example to leaders, influencable public and all involved, by stating clearly, strongly and defiantly? Or do we have to lower the tone, and set up prime opportunity for our every word and opinion to be dismissed outright?
Gandhian politics would be my preference, and let EVERY person involved understand that the real change will come through our shift in CONSCIOUSNESS, and the RESULTING CHOICES AND ACTIONS that we make as a culture. We all have power to 'cause IMMEDIATE and profound downfall of the political, environmental and economic crippling of our planet and people: look at your every action in the world and see how it ripples out infinitely; what our INTENTIONS are is fundamental to the reality we create and replicate.
"With compassion in our heart, every thought, word and deed can bring about a miracle"
Tich Nhat Hanh
Change for the best your banking, your food choices, your clothing and goods choices, your electricity supplier, your relationships with all people and all things: infultrate your whole life and being with authenticity of intention,and STOP PRETENDING THAT YOUR EVERY SMALL ACTION IS NOT HAVING A PROFOUND EFFECT in perpetuating the violence. Channel your energies into REAL movement forward, not into fighting.
Clare Galloway, Isle of Arran/ Edinburgh
talking is over action is on!
06.07.2005 12:10
nonviolent behavior will not change anything - face it!
CAPITALISM TAKES OUR LIVES AND FUCKS UP THIS PLANET SO LETS STOP IT
IT _IS_ TIME TO MAKE A CLEAR RADICAL POINT
SMASH THE SYSTEM NOW! DESTRUCTION IS CREATIVE SO PLEASE GO OUT AND LET THEM KNOW!
in deep solidarity with the insane black bloc!
destruction of passion leads to passion for destruction
comprihending, Johny de Tony?
06.07.2005 12:21
it is in my heart (..)
Shakespeare
No-body
Lesson to kings on Kingdoms
06.07.2005 12:30
Sec. Keep. Ay, but thou talk’st as if thou wert a king.
K. Hen. Why, so I am, in mind; and that’s enough.
Sec. Keep. But, if thou be a king, where is thy crown?
64 K. Hen. My crown is in my heart, not on my head; Not deck’d with diamonds and Indian stones, Nor to be seen: my crown is call’d content; A crown it is that seldom kings enjoy.
68 Sec. Keep. Well, if you be a king crown’d with content, Your crown content and you must be contented To go along with us; for, as we think, You are the king King Edward hath depos’d;
72 And we his subjects, sworn in all allegiance, Will apprehend you as his enemy.
K. Hen. But did you never swear, and break an oath?
Sec. Keep. No, never such an oath; nor will not now.
W. Shake-Spear-e
always good-in-trouble-old-fellow
No-body
Shaking in their boots
06.07.2005 12:36
If they are not shaking in their boots why did they draft in the police, the army, the US military, secret services, security services, agent provacteurs and carefully divert the media with the timing of the olympic announcement, which just happens to be diverting the media in the very country that G8 is happening?
amphibian
Now this is getting plain ridiculous
06.07.2005 12:37
Vas - is that what this boils down to then, is it? So you can look in the mirror and feel easy with yourself when you tell yourself "well, at least I tried."
Tried to do what, exactly? We all know the G8 achieves rather little, that as a talking shop with no executive power it can;t reallt enact anything anyway. All this energy to shut that down? Except there was never the slightest chance it would be shut down.
Do you really think the absolute abolition of capitalism is the answer to the world's ills? How, exactly? Is a poat-capitalst society really going to be any less destructive toward the planet's ecosystem, for instance? It's only through government regulation that you even get restrictions on greenhouse gas emissions. Now there's a very long way to go on that score, but how could a society organised on anarchist lines guarantee that it would counteract climate change more effectively than a more socially regulated form of capitalist society could?
John
abolishing capitalism
06.07.2005 13:30
Capitalism is not ONE word, it is a complex human system suported by technological inovations expanding towards centralization of control. Capitalism is in the contradiction of itself, because it does not obey paradoxal changes in the world, it is presumed as everything in the world is extending and is replacable except the fear of having limited that what it serves: money governing the logic of capitalization, persuing by the logic of privatization, making property as a good/mean to serving material intention and not the essence of existence in general: life immanent to everybody without being discriminated. What capitalists do since ages is they appropriate natural goods including forcing to slavery of people and animals. This is not permisable by the logic itself. By their economical logic capitalists contradict that what WE all are - vanishing creatures while money, appropriated as wealth, succees its extention over generations.
Can you READ CAPITALISM by these?
No-body
Yes, but...
06.07.2005 13:36
You abolish capitalism, but then what? I think it's quite true that capitalism can be replaced by something better. Equally, it could also end up being replaced by something considerably worse, which may simply produce the desire for the Father figure to proscribe our lives for us. It's happened before, after all. Crises in capitlism have tended to produce dictatorships, not revolutions, sadly.
John
Scared polticians
06.07.2005 13:53
Mind you, can you blame them for wanting to keep the prostestors out? If Blair, Bush et al trooped out into the middle of the demonstration right now, just the eight of them, would the masses sit down and have a little chat about their problems with the way the world is being run, maybe try and find some mutual ground and a way forward? Or would they chuck bricks and bottles, beat them up, in exactly the kind of display of violence over debate that you claim to despise when it's turned on Iraq or Kosovo.
Hypocrits.
S(1)
Perception
06.07.2005 14:04
The Earth is ONE. There is no god and satan; they are devided only for people to get persued to make choices.
Time is the only remaining and, secondly, learning by mutual recognition, doubting conceptions, testing them, challenging. this is how we are. Chemicals don't prevent Earth from cooling as Bush's scientist have intended to prove by them declared non-sense of Kyoto protocol. Chemicals destroy, because they are equally agressive as capitalism is proving itself being equally incoherent as chemicals if compared to benefits that would be appreciated to have created by wealth.
People have become all equally unhappy. Fact. Why?
No-body
Suicide bombers pah!
06.07.2005 14:26
If that is so, why similar levels of secuity for G7/G8 summits, prior to the principle threat of terrorism became so large? What do a ship of US Marines do against a suicide bomber, they are better suited to dealing with crowd trouble than a terrorist operation, which would almost certainly involve a few clandestine individuals rather than a mass movement of people.
"Mind you, can you blame them for wanting to keep the prostestors out? If Blair, Bush et al trooped out into the middle of the demonstration right now, just the eight of them, would the masses sit down and have a little chat about their problems with the way the world is being run, maybe try and find some mutual ground and a way forward? Or would they chuck bricks and bottles, beat them up, in exactly the kind of display of violence over debate that you claim to despise when it's turned on Iraq or Kosovo.
Hypocrits."
Interesting to call people hypocrits when talking purely in obtuse hypotheticals.
Amphibian
Hy[pocrisy reigns
06.07.2005 14:33
Herein lies the gross hypocrisy and wooliness of thought. It has been brought forcibly to the world's attention that both these actions, on behalf of corporations hellbent on securing the world's resources for their own ends, were illegal - yet the leaders who perpetrated these wars are surrounded and protected by the 'forces of law and order' at Gleneagles to the tune of some 100 million quid of taxpayers money.
Where is the justice in that? Where is the moral superiority? These men are not leaders, they are criminals, pure and simple. So why do the forces of law and order do their utmost to protect criminals in this instance? Is it merely a question of 'might is right'? Is it a case of moral cowardice from those very same forces? Or is it merely ignorance?
The protesters are for the most part misguided in thinking that gratuitous violence helps highlight this gross imbalance but all it really does is demonstrate their powerlessness in the face of greater violence by the State. The frustration is understandable but for the sake of a cleaner, better world, please desist from using the tools of the oppressors. Go study Gandhi and Satyagraha for a method that genuinely works.
Today's news (at least that miniscule portion that has not descended to Olympic whoredom of the panem et ludi [bread and circuses - Roman style] variety) tells us that Bush's chief advisor, Karl Rove, is possibly guilty of treason in the Valerie Plame case. So - let them find their own way to hell - ignore them and concentrate on the only person you CAN change - yourself!
satya
Tch Tch Tch
06.07.2005 14:38
Pete
Where will yo go ...?
06.07.2005 15:04
Come on girl, Gandhi lived his time, this time is other, it is OURS. Would you not train some self-defence or will you further chew Softy, though it was my favourite gumm. Or you just don't want to get accused whether you are paranoied? One fighting skill capitalism has learnt and even that is probably not its inovation: take a risk. Many are paranoied of those rare facts unveiled as they are: so very undoubted truthful without any additional interpretation!
No-body
Go girl
06.07.2005 15:29
Karma
"Brave New World"
06.07.2005 15:35
Oh yes there is God and there certainly is Satan!
If there would not be Satan the whole world would
be a lot more nicer place to live, believe me.
Satan wants to make people think that there is no
evil in this world and Satan wants to seperate people
from God.
Evil is here and these are truly the last days we are
living (so to speak) and it will only get worse than what
it already is.
My advise to all of you is to read book of revelation
at Bible it will give some ideas what the future will like.
Just to make it clear to you: George W Bush is the AntiChrist
just think what he has done to this world and the other
leaders are all the same.
"Brave New World" is here, don`t be blinded my friend.
It is all happening and the coming of Jesus is closer
than ever before.
Peace!
Peace
Turning it inwards
06.07.2005 16:29
Satya, turning one's fire inward burns the soul.
We can all live a good life, but what will it matter next to the machinery of inequality forcing all of us to pay our dues to the polluters?
If people are not allowed even the basic right to defend themselves against the onslaught of advertising, politics, moneymakers, cars and fakers - the likes of those who say we should all just sit in our little bubbles till we pop, then fine. Everybody, go home! Since trying means failure, it must be better not to try at all!
I wish I was there.
Fin
Slogans...
06.07.2005 16:47
So what? You're gonna throw around a bunch of slogans making you feel better about going around smashing things?
Some of you on here live in some weird fancy imaginary punk world where you seem to believe your 'actions' make sense, and that's really sad.
KgVinnie
Hearts united peace undevided
06.07.2005 16:56
One peace, one love, one Earth, one horizon.
One allmighty, merciful, most Gracious and we, namelessly united with sobriety.
No-body
Coordination
06.07.2005 17:12
We, the exploited, the ruled and the fooled, massively overnumber the exploiters, the rulers and the foolers.
"They got the guns but we got the numbers. Gonna win, yeah
We're takin' over"
Congratulations and support from those who would like to be there giving a hand, from here in Portugal.
Vasco Gonçalves
anarchy needs to connect more with everyone
06.07.2005 22:57
like the miner strikes in the 80s the people need to feel involved not isolated from the fight. the images on the tv show the extreme front line of the fight (which i do support if done with intelligence) but this media coverage makes the fight harder. Anarchys "image" at the moment does it no wonders, even the word anarchy does anarchy no great favours.
I suppose what i'm trying to say is don't make it an individual hatred of the state and police but try to spread a collective love of freedom and anarchist ideals which would eventually turn to a collective hatred of the state. leaflets are good, so is public speaking. suprise is also good, the average person will be more willing to connect with a leaflet given out by a fireman or doctor about anarchism then a smelly punk (i am a smelly punk) its wrong, i know. but we've got to work with what we've got.
but be your self, influence who you can and never stop fighting
imagine the day the police workers realise we are fighting for them and turn around to become the front line of the fight, they are humans after all. sorry i was day dreaming.
just do what you can and use your brain
will
e-mail:
willmelrose@ntlworld.com
What to do?
07.07.2005 10:34
No-body