Vans travelling to Scotland: WARNING!
resistG8 | 19.06.2005 17:23 | G8 2005 | Free Spaces | Repression | Social Struggles | London
A message for peeps entering Scotland in vans full of tat: - in case you
were planning an easy ride!Our van was stopped driving up the motorway in Scotland by Strathclyde police T division (support division -traffic).
They'd been following for a while and gave their reason as 'curiosity'.
They followed us for about ten miles and we still hadn't entered their
patch by the time they stopped us.
Once they'd stopped us, they looked for reasons to get the driver and van
off the road. A sniffer dog van was nearby and stopped but didn't search
the van - too packed I suppose. The plan seemed to be to stop the van,
hold the driver for long enough for the MOT inspectors to arrive. Seems
they want to get drivers and vans off the road. Though the van looked a
bit 'unsusual', we reckon they knew the G8 connection before they even
flagged us down. They were following for long enough to chat to the DVLA
and Met to fish for info.
When the driver was arrested, they held him over the weekend and brought London political cops (Special branch? NCIS? > FIT? > >we don't know) down from Glasgow. The local cops were well chuffed at geting the first G8 arrest in, thought they'd arrested the big man and everything.
So this message is just to warn you. It's not too early, the police (local
police most likely) have got their eyes out for vans, and (we guess) want
to take out the drivers too. Though there's a lot of vans on the motorway,
think - does yours stand out? If pulled, they'll look for the G8
connection and give it a better going over than the last time it was
MOT'd. If everything is above board, make sure you're carrying the MOT
and insurance - we hadn't got the cover note through, which was all they
held us on. Probably the best plan is to take small roads through
Scotland - motorways have number plate recognition cameras and traffic
cops, and particularly - are the expected route for entering Scotland from
England.
Good luck
were planning an easy ride!Our van was stopped driving up the motorway in Scotland by Strathclyde police T division (support division -traffic).
They'd been following for a while and gave their reason as 'curiosity'.
They followed us for about ten miles and we still hadn't entered their
patch by the time they stopped us.
Once they'd stopped us, they looked for reasons to get the driver and van
off the road. A sniffer dog van was nearby and stopped but didn't search
the van - too packed I suppose. The plan seemed to be to stop the van,
hold the driver for long enough for the MOT inspectors to arrive. Seems
they want to get drivers and vans off the road. Though the van looked a
bit 'unsusual', we reckon they knew the G8 connection before they even
flagged us down. They were following for long enough to chat to the DVLA
and Met to fish for info.
When the driver was arrested, they held him over the weekend and brought London political cops (Special branch? NCIS? > FIT? > >we don't know) down from Glasgow. The local cops were well chuffed at geting the first G8 arrest in, thought they'd arrested the big man and everything.
So this message is just to warn you. It's not too early, the police (local
police most likely) have got their eyes out for vans, and (we guess) want
to take out the drivers too. Though there's a lot of vans on the motorway,
think - does yours stand out? If pulled, they'll look for the G8
connection and give it a better going over than the last time it was
MOT'd. If everything is above board, make sure you're carrying the MOT
and insurance - we hadn't got the cover note through, which was all they
held us on. Probably the best plan is to take small roads through
Scotland - motorways have number plate recognition cameras and traffic
cops, and particularly - are the expected route for entering Scotland from
England.
Good luck
resistG8
Comments
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Tracking you !
19.06.2005 18:17
When you protest the police set up a laptop with a Celline connection, this celltracker software grabs all imei numbers from phones in the small area, then they can track your phone anywhere anytime in the country, even down to the house number, this may soundlike 1984 with tracking devices disguised as everyday objects we carry, but trust me, this shit really works.
Note the 1900's tech head...get up to date man, this is the 3rd millenium !!
If you want a demo of a "LOWGRADE" version try .www. followus.co.uk
for a "highly" watered down phone tracking service.
the plod use celltracker-MV+ v7.9 which looks like a laptop with a wifi antenna on the side.
Once they Have your mobile, they have you, every second of every day, even if you change your simm.
Advice. 3 points
1. when traveling take the battery out, don't assume it is off when you think it is !, it's like a TV on standby
2. swap phones as often as possible with a group of freinds, they track the imei number not the sim, this really pisses the system up
3. remember your phone can provide a back reference of all your movments, if in doubt+ MISS OUT
leave the friggin thing at home
Lord Nelsons Trousers
serves you right you hooligans
19.06.2005 18:59
anti-vandal
My, my, what big egos you have!
19.06.2005 21:47
Can you really, really not think of a better way to contribute to society?
While we're on the subject of activists .........yaawwwn ..........(continued page 94)
SR Made Real
again...
19.06.2005 22:03
I am not 'some techhead'. I do believe that the police are tracking us, instead I was just informing you that you are confused/mistaken with your technological analysis of the situation.
The police need no such hardware/software set up. All they need to do is contact the phone operaters in the area and demand the info. This is far less costly, far easier to implement (no training etc...). I (in the last year) gave a presentation on this very issue, so have researched it fully.
Mobile phones do not just randomly broadcast their IMEI numbers to all and sundry - as they are 'supposed' to be 'secure' and 'unique'. They are sent via various levels of encryption through GSM (do a little research and you will find this out) to a base station - the nearest one. The system is designed to accept any mobile phone using the correct protocols to connect to it - sending IMEI numbers prior to encryption is not in the protocols as it would be dangerous and insecure.
It is VERY easy to track mobile phone movement (they used them as targets for cruise missiles in iraq) via triangulation of signals to seperate towers. I am not trying to discredit people being secure, instead informing them that no special set ups are needed - thus making them more aware. All they need is a phone - to call the phone company.
The police are smart - giving the impression of being stupid. People should be very careful.
I know I am being watched, I also know that they don't need laptops and special software - just a quick word with one of the phone co's.
Once again - don't say anything you don't want heard via a phone, email or any trackable system. Don't take a mobile with you to a demo unless you don't mind being tracked.
fredrico
e-mail:
musteatvegan@yahoo.co.uk
and more...
19.06.2005 22:08
A network rollout specialist (for mobile phone companies)
A mobile phone tracking company - for people who register (the same as most similar services mentioned previously by myself and others here on indymedia)
A sourceforge, open source phone tracking software that requires registration.
So, in order to substantiate your claims regarding these mobile phone tracking laptops, could you provide us with some useable information - such as manufacturer, supplier or other such info...
fredrico
e-mail:
musteatvegan@yahoo.co.uk
Sigh...
19.06.2005 22:12
The terms mentioned above (Special Branch etc...) are not really appropriate.
A discussion recently that was overheard at a local court mentioned that every police area of the country has a special 'team'/division set to monitor activist activity. And now SOCA the new police agency is also going to be dealing with such activities through its remit of stopping financial damage to Animal Research companies etc...
It is not big headed to mention that there is definately tracking of activists. Instead it is re-iteration of messages that have been passed around for a LONG time.
Trolling is a very boring job - why not seek something more enlightening - join the police (unless you already have).
fredrico
e-mail:
musteatvegan@yahoo.co.uk
oops forgot
19.06.2005 22:19
I think you meant cellular - which indicates that you are not British or involved in technology in the UK. So instead of handing out information about yourself on a public website, why not research it...
fredrico
e-mail:
musteatvegan@yahoo.co.uk
Keep your mouth shut
19.06.2005 22:56
Eyes and ears everywhere
SneeRing made real asked:
20.06.2005 07:25
Why don't you tell us what you think we should be doing?
Or are you just here to be unpleasant?
ftp
Fredrico
20.06.2005 09:48
For God's sake let's not get carried away, yes the Police monitor what we do, yes they read sights like this but they have real threats to deal with and we do not fall into their radar
Active
sods law
20.06.2005 12:04
Be careful, but do it sensibly.
s
paranoia...
20.06.2005 12:09
We are not just a blip on the radar. We are serious problem that the government is dealing with as harshly as they can:
Anti-Social Behaviour Act,
Harrassment Act,
Serious and Organised Crime Act...
These are very dangerous documents that remove our rights to protest. Animal Rights activists seem to be highest on the agenda with laws specific to them (SOCA contains a section regarding making any 'tortious' act (ie. civil offences) illegal - therefore making things such as ordinary trespass a criminal offence which carries (IIRC) a 5 year prison sentance (maximum).
I agree that the police/government aren't throwing everything they have at everyone they can, instead trying to target 'leaders'
All I try to do is make people aware of issues, and let them make up their own minds - you may see it as paranoia, others see it as reality.
fredr
e-mail:
musteatvegan@yahoo.co.uk
Forgot
20.06.2005 12:33
As stated before, all the authorities need to do is contact a phone company and demand a list of connected handsets to the masts in an area. That takes very little time.
To then track these mobiles is simple, just look through the appropriate network for connections to masts from that handset - done. Again, another quick task.
fredrico
e-mail:
musteatvegan@yahoo.co.uk
Don't loose sight of this factoid
20.06.2005 12:57
See:-
&method=full&siteid=92284&headline=brown-backs-g8-protest-name_page.html
Not that it'll make a whole lot of difference to plods looking for agro... but why not carry a copy of GB's quote with you - could make a difference, him being a Scot and all...?
Interesting to note how many more govt talking heads seem to be posting their crap on indy these days...we must be doing something right.
Gordon Broon
scaremongering
21.06.2005 12:59
The M6/M74 has no speed cameras
Theres only one or two police cars which normally deal with speeding etc.
Its a bit odd it was stathclyde (Glasgow) on that strech of road
rz
Not so
21.06.2005 19:21
You will be pulled over if suspected in any way!
a friend
paranoia or caution?
22.06.2005 11:13
And it greatly depends on the action, where in the country you are, and chance, as to what level of secrecy is required to make actions happen. Of course it's annoying that they have to be secret, and this makes it more difficult to get people involved, but it's the reality. People recently on an action we're surprised that it was very pigged before the arrived - the only difference was that it was a different part of the country. Others have been followed by police helicopter as a result of using their (known number) mobile phone, had tracker texts sent to their phones and the police turn up in force minutes later to where they had been (though by that point they'd moved and dismembered their phone), had phones listened in to, been staked out etc etc. You can never be sure but it's better to be safe than sorry.
Be careful, but keep doing actions.
For more info, look at
me
may well be paranoia but might not be
23.06.2005 12:17
Did anyone see the McLibel documentary - she was convinced London Greenpeace was being infiltrated and he thought she was being paranoid but she turned out to be right. These things do happen. Paranoia happens as well though.
mcw