http://www.pledgebank.com/refuse

in order to protest an ID scheme

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that will place you name on a state-wide database
allowing a system to be put in place which will
effectively turn social services and access to goods/travel
into a behavioural zonal nightmare...
one in which if we do not comply we will be criminalised...
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we have to sign up to an electronic database which we HAVE to pay/doneate
towards potential law costs

don't get me wrong - your heart is in the right place - but i can't help spotting the irony

make the whole campaign postal
and make private the list of signatures
to the petition

publicise only the amount of signatures

every list has the capacity to be a database

I used to live in Belgium where carrying an ID is mandatory. I didn't find it a prob, in fact it was good for ensuring low ID fraud. It did make it harder to get a drink under age but that was about it.

as long as the majority can live with it it must be OK


how shallow are you, you idiot

i agree with the sentiments of the NO2ID protest

we do not need more draconian 'solutions'


it is a ruse to make capital from the
new global terror industry

fear of ID fraud
fear of terrorism
fear of your own shadow...

a government who lied
repeatedly about Iraq - who stood by
Bush as he lied to his population
about Saddam links to Al Queda


one which justifies shipping people off
via rendition to certain torture

one which uses this torture to gain
secret evidence

which is used to
create yet more terror threats

and hold people without any legal recourse




how safe do you think they can keep us!!!

dopey!

this 'war on terror is a replacement
for the cold war idealogy
which kept the corporate military industrial
complex in business

it seeks to justify itself
for at least 50 years

what next?

There is a world of difference between an ID card and a biometric ID card backed up with a national database (which the US wants to be compatible with their system). If somebody forges/steals the documents required to register for this database they will then have YOUR name linked to THEIR biometrics, not yours and how you gonna prove you are who you are as oppose to the person with their facial/iris/fingerprint details linked to the name?

Oi, Oi..... surely if they (the cops) come and take you fingerprint then they can see that your biometrics do NOT match what they have on file so you are obviously not the person who is using your name as ID! (or am I being thick here?)

I oppose ID for the reasons given by Paul C, its a huge 'be scared, be very scared' con by the Govt who would like to be able to frighten off regular citizens who want to express dissent.

Hey Paul C. Sounds like someone is a little paranoid, I hope you check under the bed and in the closet each night, because don't forget .....they're watching you.

Seriously, does anyone know of a website where I can sign up FOR ID cards? They seem like a pretty good idea for us law abiding types - so I can understand the activist community being a little scared.

ID cards are a crock no matter which way they are portrayed.

The government tries to twist and spin us with tales of benefit fraud and the old copper’s argument of “if you’ve nothing to hide……” slowly but surely they will twist so that individual people have to justify why we should not have ID – not why we should.

This [and every] government wants you to believe that there are waves of terrorists waiting to do evil things to us. If this is the case our political masters are keeping the terrorists at bay without ID. Maybe there aren’t sh1t loads of terrorists trying to do bad things to us.

It was quite a clever move for the government to try to suddenly say you must have this card to access health & welfare benefits ~ those things are ours – not the governments!

Employers, Governments & multinationals have known for a long time that individuals are easy to control, that is why we are fed on a diet of scare politics.

I don’t feel the need to sign up to any declaration and as for giving a tenner ~ wish I’d thought of that scam!

No, if this government says I should have a card I will refuse.

Already there are doctors practices that are saying they will treat people regardless of ID cards status. So perhaps a dual approach of working against ID and also having the backup of what to do after it is introduced.

are the comments made by statesmen [above]

supposed to be intimidating or something

paranoia???


jeezus! H F**cking Christ on a bike!


satellite surveillance?

satellite run zonal penal crime prevention systems?

housing estates on 'lockdown' with their
keeping you safe idealogy as a 'corporate logo'?

and now the biometric buzzword...
any data gathered and recorded from the body
is biometric

that's all it means

so get the technology that makes the cards

it should be easy to compromise the
private sector

eg accenture / qinetiq
[did i mention they are an ex-secret intelligence
advanced weapons dept which has been privatised and
is now majority owned by
the Carlyle investment group?]

they would sell their own grandmother


and then take your own measurements
iris scan fingerprints...dna swab

and match them to a made up name
or a dead person

one of those unfortunate homeless people
that this government care so much about [er not]

and ta daaa! you have a new ID card and a new identity

remember the Madrid train bombings?

well they had ID cards way back then...

so what we are really looking at, is the entire population
as a managed, resource, a consumer slave masked as a citizen

what will be really easy to do :

would be for the intelligence services
to legitimize their field agents by even further hiding
the stasi spooks with this technology.

of course they would never dream of
causing their own 'synthetic' terror
to keep the sheep in line

i must be crazy to think that of our wonderful
secret intelligence services


i'm checking under the bed....nope ...nowhere
dont have enough cash, business interests to be
a threat to 'our nations interests'

of course we mostly have been weaned onto a form of
ID card with 'credit' & 'loyalty' cards

and don't we still have to carry a passport
in the EU - what is all that about?



just how far has the middle classes got their
fat stupid heads up their overfed glutonous maximi

javol 'statesmen'

ve should have nuthin to fear, ja!

twat!

so I am told anyway, there was a british id card introduced in the 40's, which the labour government of the time decided to continue post-war. Not a popular move as soon people got sick and tired of being stopped and asked to produce their cards for inspection, leading to large protests against the cards and forcing the government to drop them.

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Regular citizens expressing dissent (I prefers to say voicin theys opinion) in a civilized way don't NEED to be frightened Bob. I gezz the citizens you referring to are members of wat we call the activist community, and therefore DEFINATELY NOT regular an probably in need of a good fright.

Hey Paul C (i hope that ain't u real name, cos the feds will ave tracked u down already), for someone oo is not paranoid, you do a good impression! (keep check unde the bed my man).