Not much point taking a tent if you have arranged to sleep on somebodies floor in Edinburgh and if you are plannin to wander around the countryside with your walkin boots and a tent, you might want to consider taking a map.

While on the suject of useful stuff, why not take an little pocket FM radio receiver so you can tune into the hourly news for clues about whats going on where.

Thank you for that posting from the department of the bleeding obvious. Your first action is it sweetie ?

Ok so you lot may be more experienced, but I'm sure you'd hope more than just the usual suspects would go to the events. If they read IndyMedia I think most people would be put off going.

From  http://www.dissent.org.uk

Wish List of stuff we need (catagories below):

* The convergence space [email dissentconvergence (at) yahoo.co.uk]

- Power
- Living/meeting space
- Plumbing
- Office supplies
- People with skills and knowledge
* Transportation [email driventodissent (at) go4.it]
* Catering/Kitchen [email anarchisttpot (at) yahoo.co.uk]
* Communications [email communicate-dissent (at) lists.riseup.net ]
* Time and skills

Wish List (stuff)
The convergence space

contact: dissentconvergence (at) yahoo.co.uk

Power

* Cabling
* Outdoor and Indoor Lights -(12volt 24 volt and mains)
* Converters
* Extension Cables
* Solar Panels
* Solar Lights
* Batteries - Car and Lorry
* Small Windmills

Living/Meeting space

* Marquees
* Tents
* Blankets and sleeping bags
* Carpets and flooring material
* Wood for building (and a bit for burning)
* Porta-cabin, caravans
* Road stuff (eg. gravel, hard-core, rolly-out metal walkways)

Plumbing

* Water Piping - suitable for drinking water
* Taps and Fittings
* Pipe Connectors
* Water Tanks (or suitable large containers which can be used as such)
* Bowsers
* Pipe cleaning fluid
* Drainage Piping
* Plumbers Tape
* Sinks
* Toilets
* Portaloos
* Toilet Rolls
* Showers and fittings (we don't want to get too smelly!)

Office Supplies

* Paper (Recycled/ Scrap)
* Pens/pencils
* Felt-Tip Pens
* Staplers and Staples
* Photocopier
* Fax machine

Miscellaneous

* String
* Paint - Poster and Emulsion
* Tools
* Gaffer Tape
* Insect Repellent
* Sign Writing Stuff

People with Skills and Knowledge!

E.g. electrical, plumbing, health and safety etc

Transportation
contact: driventodissent (at) go4.it

We will need masses of transport, as the convergence space is unlikely to be accessible by public transport. We are asking that all local groups consider renting mini-buses for the period of the convergence, and that they have additional drivers who can help with tranposrt. Renting a mini-bus is actually a cheap way for a group of people to get up to Scotland.

Other items we need include:

* Drivers (regular, and those with a bus license)
* Buses (large and small)
* Bicycles
* Lifts across country with equipment


Catering/Kitchen
contact:  anarchisttpot@yahoo.co.uk

* cutlery, plates, bowls, mugs - even just bringing your own would be great
* gas - pref large propane bottles
* propane regulators to fit European fittings onto UK gas bottles
* any other potentially useful kitchen tat from pans and utensils to tupperware
* any (pref vegan) food donations - bulk veg, grains, mueslis, oil, ...
* If every vehicle coming could bring along a sack of something they were able to get for free locally, that'd be great!!!
* any contacts to suppliers that might be able to give us larger discounts or free extras, pref. local
* shedloads of pallets (for food storage and against bogginess)
* marquees to cook in!
* self-organised kitchens, and cooking crews


Communications
contact: communicate-dissent (at) lists.riseup.net

* Megaphones
* Sound systems
* Wap webpages and designers
* Mini Pirate Radios systems
* Satellite phones
* Servers to back up websites/elists
* Coloured flags!
* mobile internet access eg. through WAP mobile phones
* UK cell phones and/or airtime

Just because you are clearly such a veteran campaigner, "Grown Up", doesn't mean that everyone else is. Your silly sarcasm just reveals the pillock that you quite clearly are.

The saddest thing is that it's people like you and such attitudes that are the prime stumbling blocks to any attempts at progress...

To Grown Up:
You can't be that grown up if you think that all activists instinctively know survival skills relevant to living outside of big cities. I remember at earth first gatherings in Snowdonia, loads of people would take great care to bring their grunge look rainbow coloured wooly jumpers full of holes but would turn up without any waterproof clothing in one of the wettest parts of the country. They brought psychotic dogs that would then run loose chasing sheep all over the mountains, no source of light to help them put up their tents in the near total darkness and so on. Scottish midges are something that most city dwellers just have no experience of. I wish I could agree that people don't need to be told the bleeding obvious, but believe me many do.

I'd add to the list a lightweight trowel so that you can bury your disgusting shit properly instead of allowing flies to frolic on it & then crawl all over your food.

I'd heard someone had got ordinance survey maps with Gleneagles in the middle to avoid having to have two of the area. Anyone know how to get them?