Undercover journalist uncovered at DISSENT! meeting!
04.06.2005 16:27 | G8 2005
Just so you don't think we can't spot journalists at our meetings. Today a women known as "Fiona" was confronted by ppl from London who had seen her at the Nottingham DISSENT! gathering and suspected her of being an undercover journalist.
Fiona first turned up in Notthingham at the DISSENT! gathering, she had travelled 3 hours by car from London to her first political meeting ever! She was kept an eye on thru-out the meeting and people waited to find out more. A week later she turned up to the SE Assembly meeting and she was observed further during and after the meetings.
She said nothing in the meeting but had the confidence to come up all the way to Glasgow for this weekends DISSENT! gathering. Little did she know that people were waiting for her to turn up at the beginning of the meeting, just so she could waste a bit more money on travel(!), and to confront her about being a journalist.
When this happen she said she wasn't and she just wanted to get involved. Then she asked if she should leave, people responded only if your a journalist, after a few minutes chatting she finally admitted to it but didn't disclose which newspaper she was from.
We have photographs of her and will be surveying her movements during the G8.
Luv n Radge!
She said nothing in the meeting but had the confidence to come up all the way to Glasgow for this weekends DISSENT! gathering. Little did she know that people were waiting for her to turn up at the beginning of the meeting, just so she could waste a bit more money on travel(!), and to confront her about being a journalist.
When this happen she said she wasn't and she just wanted to get involved. Then she asked if she should leave, people responded only if your a journalist, after a few minutes chatting she finally admitted to it but didn't disclose which newspaper she was from.
We have photographs of her and will be surveying her movements during the G8.
Luv n Radge!
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Nuff's Enuff
04.06.2005 21:51
I’d lay my money that this person would have been passing info to special branch: Names, backgrounds etc. It would be a good idea to have put her under 24 hour surveillance for a few weeks, as has already been done to others and their contacts and background uncovered to add to the database of agents their special branch and MI5 contacts. I don’t mean to the intensity to which I am under surveillance, which as we know is for mostly other reasons.
I would ask very kindly now for all of you to lay off me. You’ve fucked up most aspects of my life now, and my health is beginning to suffer badly. I really can’t see the point. You have access to my flat and steal my diaries, tape recorder etc. I am shocked at what you do. But you are very sad people without fulfilling lives - but that’s probably not your fault.
You use violence, lies and deceit to intimidate and hurt me. What the are you playing at hypocrites? I have survived, and thrive, because of the way I operate, the techniques I have used etc. You just don’t see that do you? You will never know what I have done, which are many very good things.
So leave me be, please. I do not like pain, I love life and its joys, but I must protect myself. It is important what I do.
Yours is the road to hell, paved ignorance guilt and faux good conscience-appeasing intentions. Put you energies into improving your own lives not mine.
Anyway, back to the real world. Great that you,ve got this info up, but how about propmt release of useful info, from the gathering, to those of who cannot afford to travel to thiese do's. Socialist organisations used to operate the "pooled fair" system. This didn't discriminate against the low income.
DIssent have money too, I really hope it is not funding the travel expenses of chosen activists. Can we have re-assurances on this please.
Sun
For Fox Sack
04.06.2005 22:20
I’d lay my money that this person would have been passing info to special branch. Names, backgrounds etc. It would be a good idea to have put her under 24 hour surveillance for a few weeks, as has already been done to others and their contacts and background uncovered to add to the database of agents their special branch and MI5 contacts. I don’t mean to the intensity to which I am under surveillance, which as we know is for mostly other reasons.
I would ask very kindly now for all of you to lay off me. You’ve fucked up most aspects of my life now, and my health is beginning to suffer badly. I really can’t see the point. You have access to my flat and steal my diaries, tape recorder etc. I am shocked at what you do. But you are very sad people without fulfilling lives - but that’s probably not your fault.
You use violence, lies and deceit to intimidate and hurt me. What the fuck are you playing at hypocrites. I have survived, and thrive, because of the way I operate, the techniques I have used etc. You just don’t see that do you? You will never know what I have done, which are very good things, and never will know.
So leave me be, please. I do not like pain, I love life and its joys, but I must protect myself. It is important what I do.
Yours is the road to hell, paved ignorance guilt offencive violence and faux good conscience-appeasing intentions. Put you energies into the much-meeded improving your own lives not mine, please. My conscience isn't clean, but that's because I don't have one - no need!
I will rise at dawn tomorrow, you will not.
Sun
Purlease!
04.06.2005 22:56
Whoever is posting their assumptions about a state led dissent network needs honing their skills in this area.
If you have facts lets hear them - not unintelligent inferences or unfounded assumptions.
Dealing with the facts, and reality leads to truth. It is the case that truth is independent of words, but it can be constructed with words.
It is a fact that the commentators words are either true or false, but there are no facts to verify this as true.
Howvever, in this special subjective case, the middle is not excluded, and here is the most likely case. It is probably the that a few of Dissent work for the state. We would expect this.
It is a fact that I do not which cannot be disproved.
So commentator dont come back with more moronic bullshit, or pathetic quip. Come back with facts, purlease!
Sun
Nothing Wrong
05.06.2005 11:16
Jazza
lol
05.06.2005 11:45
statist
Misinformation and disception
05.06.2005 11:54
DESIGNED TO CONFUSE AND INSTIL DISTRUST, FEAR AND SEPERATISM
Dissent as a well funded tool of the states - get real. Look at the pathetic evidence offered above. The Dissent network didn't coming together quickly but as a resuly of meetings at activist gathering over two year ago (or is that three?). It didn't gather it's funds by taking a few quid off people attending meeting over these last months and is in fact now pretty broke after missguided spurge on pre-G8 project last year. Dissent meeting are publically advertised and open and obviously FIT take an interest in everyone that attends - it's the price you pay for try to organise in an open non-hirachical way. As for secret (post meeting) meetings, the are many different groups that form the dissent network and no doubt they all have their own meetings as usual. Additional Dissent meetings involve report backs and proposals from Working Groups (such as transport, kitchens, accomodation etc) which have additional meetings to impliment desicions taken at the main Dissent meetings. They are not secret and this is the way that such large meetings always work.
It seems obvious that somebody is trying to spread lies and disinformation, probably in order to damage our ability to plan and organise together in an effective way. Don't be fooled!
n
Journos and Disinformation
05.06.2005 12:04
In the same way that utter rubbish gets published in the mainstream media, so to is there a camapign of disinformation on Indymedia, by people who are trying to discredit groups or networks like Dissent!
Asking how the dissent network came together so quickly is a clear example of rubbish. The dissent network has been developing and growing for well over a year and a half, now that's not very quick is it. If you want quick, look to Bob Geldof.
Saying Dissent is run by the state is also one hundred billion miles off. YES there will be undercover police involved in the Dissent network - this is the job of the police / special branch or whoever - if they were not doing this sort of thing they would not be doing their job properly. But that's a very diffrent thing to saying the 'dissent network is run by the state' - since it's a loose network of many varied groups working together - to gain control of something like the Dissent network would be like herding cats - impossible.
Saying dissent is monopolising meeting spaces / sleeping spaces and so on is again miles off. There are many joint initiatives where people from different mobilisations are working together on spaces.
As to the comment about why is someone always there with a camera - well as someone who has attended several of these meetings I can say that this is utter rubbish.
No, the truth is that the people who are writing this kind of stuff on Indymedia are simply seeking to discredit Dissent through spreading misinformation. And just try working out who that would benefit?
In any case it's too late. The G8 is four weeks off. Everything's in motion.
JC
Not the main problem
05.06.2005 12:08
The main problem with Dissent is that it is a mess. The website is incomprehensible , which suggests no one really cares whether people get involved or not. There seams to be an obsession with 'process' to the point that tiny local groups have 'process' groups'. Is it all middle class students? A bit too much self-satsifaction with being harder and more alternative, whatever that means, than the trots if you ask me.
Compare the G8 Alternatives website with Dissent. I nkow who I'ld trust when planning to go to scotland.
get it together
jules
Jules
Final Answer to But Surely
05.06.2005 12:19
Dissent has taken over two years to come together. I suggested it at the Earth first gathering, to Mark, or maybe we had the idea at the same time - who gives a fuck. Mark drove the idea through and should take the credit. There were about 8 people in the G8 workshop - three of which were possible special branch informers. I was on their case but they fucked off, never to be seen by me again. They drove up from Essex to their first political event, and followed me around very cunningly. One young man two girls, I still have a photo of them. Perhaps it will be confirmed that they were just friends of someone at the camp, and were bona fide, and just set to watch me - fair enough - who gives a fuck.
Anyway, Mark, who was featured in a Sunday Times smear a month ago, did a great job. No wonder the state, through their contacts in the media are trying to harrass and smear him.
Dissent is pretty broke, your fiancial analysis is complete bollocks. Infact the whole of what you write is utter bollocks. Not even worth dealing with.
You are right on one thing, the two people who started it were funded by the state. Me, as an employee of coventry City Council, a library assistant, and Mark, by his local university, Cardiff I think, as an administrive officer.
Dissent is not an tool of the state. Dissent can disolve overnight, and morph into something else, at the behest of the individual components, and individuals that have come together. It has no leaders, well that's not right; all involved are sparticus or bodaccea. The state can do nothing about it. It's great.
Ed
Edward Campbell
We dissent!
05.06.2005 12:22
brian
Cut the Class Clap-Trap
05.06.2005 12:35
Dissent consists of one class of non-hierarchically organised anti-authotitarians who are a very powerful compenent of a very powerful movement. We dont have to pretend that we are all disunited and hate middle class people and that there's a stalinist core - that was just bullshit - that was just a smokescrean so the state didn't think we were too much much of a problem. And it worked.
I have never seen such crap disinformation that everyone who is fully involved with dissent knows is completely bonkers and wrong. But there are a few spookies in their, and we know who they are. We will just watch them. Follow them, and get more information on them and their associated. We will bug their houses and cars. Ha ha ha ha
ED
Now they can just bring it on! And they will. So we need to be even more security conscious. Let the cats out of the bag.
Edward Campbell
Infultrated ? YOU BET !
05.06.2005 12:49
make up your own mind ?
trent Barley
trolls and spook postings
05.06.2005 13:17
Wow look at all this!
05.06.2005 13:29
I've seen it before on Indymedia around anti-arms camapigns like the anti-DSEI arms fair protests. Spread confusion, suspiscion and attempt to divide and rule.
Luckily most people who actualy get involved in these campaigns go along to actual physical meetings and meet other people, rather than basing an opinion on some rants on indymedia. People also read the actual websites of different campaigns. I think it's a sign on encouragement that some people wish to try and rubbish the groups working on these different campaigns and protests.
people not postings
haha, the world is flat
05.06.2005 15:23
ps. I agree that the website is rubbish, but hey - dissent doesn't have the time or money to sort it out. nuff said.
Krop
?
05.06.2005 19:43
Is this meant to imply everyone's doing something else that's more 'real' or something?
It's not a matter of money and of course people have had enough time. It's a political matter and if you can't see that that just says it all. I depair.
all the best though.
?
money and websites
06.06.2005 16:39
Re website - it's an amazing website with tons and tons of info on it. Problem is it's a very complex website and hard to navigate. It's well worth exploring fully though:
pete
GET THEM TO HELP
07.06.2005 09:47
Did ingrained animosity prevent any effort to turn the Dissent infiltrator?
Ilyan