Loads of fuckers with their noses in the trough, middle class tossers organising "some space for a workshop darling".

Well thats a bit sweeping isn't it. I think you will find that people are coming from different groups, backgrounds, political and existential viewpoints - Marxists, liberal reformists ( big and small L ), undecidedists , anarchists, primitivists, trots, hippies, class warriors, eco-warriors, reactionaries, legal support peeps, insurrectioninst, urban guerillas, unlabelled, the curious and concerned, non-activists, students, trade unionists, rich people, poor people, whatever is convenient for lazy to label etc etc. Are you suggesting they are all in cohoots in a money making scheme.

Poverty , climate change, and the corporate cancer eating this planet is bringing a lot of different people together. Are you suggesting all of these people are "wide boys" from London out for money and power, ( perhaps flogging dodgy riot porn videos and pamphlets from the back of a van behind the golf course to make milllions, yeh right mate.. ).

Yep, there does seem to be a poverty industry as you may call it ( e.g. Homelessness in this country but I'm not covering that here ) there have been people who have made capital out of protest, e.g books etc. but money does get channelled back into funding stuff like protests, actions, water projects as an example, raisng awareness ( tho' as an African lady pointed out to a BBC journo recently who needs pointing out that there is poverty in Africa. etc.). It varies, and there are overpaid charity/quango/NGO workers around ( some quite colonialist in attitude ) but that is not all of them and to tar every charity and protestor with the brush of being some money making scheme is out of order.

Re the trains - whether you or I think it is a good idea, Fair play to the people who have gone to the effort of trying to put them on. Hiring trains is not exactly a money spinner now is it?! They are not making money and they are not being paid for their time and effort. Also, they are not dictating how or if even of you should go to Scotland for the G8 - that is up to you. Myself, I am hitching as that is what I choose to do.

No re. large scale organising - it is up to you to think and act for yourself in deciding what you would like to do re the G8 Summit.

Myself I don't agree with some of the ideas put forward by some of the large scale reformist NGOs and political parties but I don't disagree about them protesting or their right to protest against the G8. ( I do object to some parties/NGOs trying to 'hijack' protests for politcal capital as has happened in the past, drowning out other voices of dissent ( hello SWP!dont bother replying to me )but fuck em - we can do our own thing.

Anyway the choice is up to you on how to be effective the best way you can:- Whether to go up to Scotland with a group, affinity group, solo, not go, by parachute with a bomb, visit a corporation/arms dealer/bailiffs, do sabotage, subvertise, or similar positive actions like the anarchists who fixed up peoples places in Georgia during the Seal Island G8 etc.do something else as an ongoing local project e.g. informing your neighbours, help organise community debates, etc. relating privatisation eg. GPs, hospitals,with the G8, IMF,WTO corporate neoliberal lobby / agendas in a way that makes connections here against mainstream media bullshit. Just an idea. For instance, me and few friends are making some leaflets about this that I hope will get through to people who haven't made he connections between corporate lobbies, global markets, the G8 privatisation/ theft/ commodification of healthcare ,poverty, community breakdowns etc.


Yes the Beyond Activism is still alive and kicking ( large scale actions, day to day living, strange binary oppositions and debates on inclusivity ) along with the local/European/Global organising debate and I think it should always be in mind when deciding on a course of action that you think is the right thing to do. Stickers, flyers and posters are not always as good as face to face communication and debates and positive actions and meeting different people. ( see the wonderful 500th issue of Schnews ).

Oh, and finally, the room space being made available. How bloody devious of these people!. whatever next - perhaps they have bought up all the portaloos in the UK and plan to hire them up per shit during the G8 thus becoming porataloo millionaires.

Perhaps you are frustrated like many of us are in this time of seemingly pointless marches and corporate/state repression ( including frustration about different ways of doing things, and the efficacy of our actions ) . None of us see eye to eye all the time - we are not robots.. You can change your mind and tactics at any time. You don't have to do 'group meetings' or 'workshops' ( unless you're in light engineering A.S.) or become a mass publisher.

See you in Edinburgh - or perhaps I just may go down the 'orrible Square Mile instead, or just carry on doing what I am doing ( but I ain't gonna tell u wot ).

PS to the other commentator, I'm not middle class, I think Bono's a knobhead ( no reply please - my opinion ) and I'm not part of any imagined "G8 industry" - I hope you are doing summat constructive.

Go fuck shit up.

You said it. I'll be in Scotland but not with you lot.

I mean you, Ian fom Manchester...why don't you stay at home and play with yourself. I'm going to Scotland to do what I think is right, where and when I can. If people from Dissent are there, great, if they ain't I'm still doing it. What's your positive suggestion for action, Ian? or are you just a useless wanker troll?

Of course I'm not fucking going to Scotland ! Why would I want to stand around in a Police run cage with lots of other bored sods miles from the action and achieving nothing ?

I'm fucked if I'm going to give my money and time to a bunch of London boys all making a nice little earner out of you. Change will come in this country through involvement of the people in the political process not by standing on a Scottish street wearing stupid clothes and holding a banner.

Where I live we have worked hard to get Councillers into power and we are seeing the result, we are improving the lives of people in our area, those going to Scotland are just wasting their time.

Spot on Ian. those going to the G8 protest are not interested in change it's just a week away from uni for most of them.

Yes 'Ian' (hows 'Manchester'?), you are right of sourse. I've noticed loads of new faces at meeting fronting venture capital to hire buildings in Scotland for protesters and clearly planning on making a killing by passing round a magic hat for donations 'towards costs' and go laugthing all the way to the bank as they reap the massive profits that such a venture (housing hippies, crusties and anarcho) is bound to bring in. And then there are the trains! Fucking wannabe Richard Branstons the lot of them - hiring trains at great expense and selling the tickets so fast that they've had to make up stories that they if they don't sell enough to cover the final installment of the hire costs by mid june they will loss the trains and the deposits already paid. Yes, these guys are set to make a fortune. I hear the Anarchist Teapot has been bought up by Pret Manger in a hope to cash in on the dinner timew rush as thousands of hungry protests try to blag food for a handful pennies while explaining that they dole cheques didn't arrive before they boarded the train for scotland.

Bloody hell, with so much money washing about up there, I think I'll hire a couple of trains too.





don't let the bullshit drive us apart