Let's not forget that the English peoples where oppressed and slaughted by the French in 1066 following the Battle of Hastings. Hundreds hearded into camps, villages burned and women raped.
Before then the Vikings of Sweden, Denmark and Norway laid wasted to large parts of the North East Britain and abducted peoples to be used as slaves.

Where are the apologies and reperations from these countries ?

18.05.2005 11:16

Dan (Zionist): "Let's not forget that the English peoples where oppressed and slaughted by the French in 1066 following the Battle of Hastings. Hundreds hearded into camps, villages burned and women raped. Before then the Vikings of Sweden, Denmark and Norway laid wasted to large parts of the North East Britain and abducted peoples to be used as slaves. Where are the apologies and reperations from these countries?"

The English and the French -- which includes native Christians, Jews, non-Jews and secular people -- have their own country: secular democratic countries with (legally or in legal theory, at least, no discrimination on the basis of ethnicity or religion. The English and the French have peacefully reconciled (even though some of its citizens have been latently and negatively conditioned by the war manipulations of prior monarchs) and now have full diplomatic relations and exchange of trade. Likewise, Sweden, Denmark and Norway have long long since peacefully reconciled with Britain. None of these countries -- which also includes native Christians, Jews, non-Jews and secular people -- are oppressing the inhabitants of Britain or any of the other country.

However, I am not talking about ancient history: well, not, perhaps, with exception of the total absurdness of Zionist Jews claiming that they have a divine right to Israel/Palestine because their ancient religious ancestors -- who themselves were not Palestine's first inhabitants -- lived in parts of Palestine, for a while, 2,000 years ago -- and claim their right to do so, today, by a "promise from God" 3,000 years ago.

ISRAEL -- an ideologically, ethno-exclusionary, semi-theocratic, apartheid "Jewish state" -- *NOT* a secular democratic state with equal rights for all regardless of ethnicity or religion (the same that even Zionist Jews would demand anywhere else) -- *IS* -- QUITE *IRONICALLY* -- however, *CONTINUING* to brutally oppress the indigenous people of Palestine, the Palestinians -- for the Palestinians' evident *'CRIME'* of not being born Jewish -- after having semi-genocidally, ethnically cleansed them off -- in different stages, from pre-1947 (European Jewish invasion), to 1947 (the imperialists' partition), to 1948 (the war of expansion), to 1967 (a major pretextual war land grab), up through the present (the settlement of the remaining territories) -- at least 90% of the land. What was the Israeli maxxim?: 'After Hitler, our turn'?

And what does Zionist Israel call itself?: "a light unto the world"!!???

[You probably don't know, Dan, that when the Armenians went to Palestine to escape genocide and oppression by Turkey (although political Zionism began long before the Jewish holocaust, before the turn of the 20th century), the Armenians didn't try to take over the place, shove aside the Palestinians, and impose an ethno-exclusionary "Armenian state".]

The U.S. is still largely oppressing Native Americans (particularly those on reservations, the legacy of Native American genocide, who live in such poverty that their *average* life expectancy is 45 years), and the U.S. is often still oppressing blacks (just read every week about another cop beating/killing yet another black person, or look at the over-representation of poor blacks who are virtually often socially 'herded' into America's prisons, or look at the unresolved and highly disproportionate level of black poverty -- a direct legacy of slavery and American apartheid (known as "Jim Crow").

The U.S. govt has never even officially acknowledged its perpetration of the Native American genocide or the black slave holocaust, let alone the Filipino genocide, the Vietnamese holocaust (a semi-genocidal war which killed a so-far admitted *3-million* Vietnamese in a tiny country), or its role in triggering the Cambodian genocide. Turkey still denies the Armenian genocide, and I'd bet that any Armenians left in Turkey are highly discriminated against, right along with the oppression of the Turkish Kurds (both of whom probably cannot even officially give themselves or their children their own cultural names).


So, Dan, while you, a Zionist Jew, are -- *IRONICALLY*-- trying to be *flippant* and *funny* about the ethnic/racial *oppression* and *genocide* against *OTHERS*, there are some very profound issues here regarding mass human catastrophes.

I guess that not everyone walking the ivy walkways of Cambridge is an educated person, Dan.

Perhaps more emphasis could be given to the Rothschild family, amongst others, who profited from and, even in some cases, backed both sides of the second world war. The claim that the British "liberated" Poland when in fact the Polish people were left to fend for themselves against the communists needs to be publicly refuted and reparations need to be made. My ancestors, who were ethnic Germans living in Poland were actually liberated by the German National Socialists, at a time when they were being persecuted by jewish bolsheviks. We lost all our land when Germany withdrew, and we fled to Austria. Many of our kinsfolk and many Polish patriots perished when the Red Army invaded again and set up concentration camps for ethnic Germans and Polish patriots. Solomon Morel the jewish communist concentration camp guard is still at large and lives in a plush apartment in Tel Aviv, "Israel", from where "Israeli" authorities have refused to extradite him. He orchestrated the murder and torture of thousands of Poles and ethnic Germans. He murdered Polish and German babies by bashing their heads against walls, and organised the pack-rape of German and Polish women by jewish communists. Jewish communists were responsible for 28 million deaths, 10 million died from starvation due to Stalin's collectivisation of agriculture, others were just shot in the back of the head or starved to death in camps. Winston Churchill knew this, but rejected peace because he wanted to make money from us peasants and because Hitler's economic vision was entirely at odds with the western economic system because unlike communism, it aspired to operate outside the international banking system. Communism was bankrolled by the New York financiers, there was a covert alliance, an entente cordiale. Many people perished in WWII but we do not hear much nor enough about the 28 million who perished at the hands of the jewish communists, and many people are unaware that the communists were jews and even express total disbelief when this is explained to them! We do not hear much about the British servicemen who died at Porton Down due to the testing of poison gas. These men were not even political prisoners, they had signed up to defend their country in battle, not to be used as guinea pigs by the British state. Also, many innocent Jews died as a result of both the Allied, German and Communist war machines, but this was no concern of the British traitor, Winston Churchill. He was just the darling of international finance, just as Tony Blair and George Bush are today.

Recently I read that jews have finally been banned from the Russian Duma, by democratic consensus. If such an decision had been taken in Britain during Margaret Thatcher's regime, her cabinet would have lost nearly half its members, and the same goes for the odious Clinton administration. Surely it is our duty to take pre-emptive actions such as these to prevent the rise of fascism and anti-semitism and to protect innocent jewish people from defamation because after years of jewish oppression and profiteering anti-semitism is very much on the rise in post-communist Russia, Romania and many countries right across the globe.

I want to see holocaust memorials for all of the other people who suffered and who continue to suffer and I want to see and hear much less of the highly profitable "holocaust industry" which has now been featured on numerous documentaries, highlighting the plight of holocaust survivors who never received the reparations they were due, only to find that their money had been "diverted" to build luxury hotel resorts, golf courses and apartments on coast of "Israel", bringing further disgrace to the jewish people and discrediting them before the international community.

Also, one wonders quite why the doyennes of "The Holocaust" do not acknowledge more widely the plight of homosexuals, gypsies and commmunists who also suffered alongside the jewish unfortunates in the German National Socialist concentration camps. There is certainly no reason why anyone should feel guilty or ashamed for having such worthy associates, and so the lack of recognition afforded these unfortunates appears to be most conspicuous, if not, dare I say it, discriminatory.

Ref. above: Kuchera, 18.05.2005 20:01

I hasten to totally disassociate myself from all of Kuchera's talk of "jewish communists" as some monolithical evil force or as inherently evil, as Jews, or communists, at all. Many of communism's strongest proponents and adherents were *not* Jewish.

There's a reason that some arguments are called "specious" or "twisted": they take certain elements of the truth and *twist* them with strong parts of deception/demogoguery.

Contrary to Kuchera's discription, communism was certainly not ethnically/culturally comprised of only Jews. And in Europe Jews, as an ethnic group, did not oppress others.

Certain prominent communists may have been Jewish because Jews, as a class (along with other groups as an economic or racialized class), often greatly suffered under class-based societies. Socialism and communism opposes class-based societies (especially those based on unrestrained, unregulated, or so-called "free market" capitalism) where the masses in the lower class levels are progressively (and often harshly) exploited for the benefit of the ruling, corporate, and otherwise upper classes.

In theory, communism also offered a more just society (in theory free of racism and sexism, which are class-based contrivances for the purposes of economic division, subjugation and exploitation). This is partially reflected in at least more socially & economically developed Western European socialist-oriented societies, which offer more relatively economically just/balanced societies, more social safety nets, more workers' rights and protections, and greater political protections and civil liberties.


(As far as Poland was concerned, yes it was ironic that the first national victim of Hitler, and the cause of WWII starting in Sept 1939, was in the end dealt away to Stalin, instead, as part of his geopolitical sphere, largely by Roosevelt, who was, by then, due to his polio, fairly imfirmed, frail, easily fatigued, and not of his previously keen mind.)

How disgusting that the extreme left dares to compare the slaughter of 6 million innocent Jews for the crime of being Jewish to the situation in Israel where 3000 Palestinians have died (most of whom were terrorists, and tragically about 700 innocent Palestinians) and 1000 Jews, mainly innocent civilians.

Israel has always wanted peace and has made it with whoever agreed.

Such Orwellian NewSpeak that Goebells would be proud of.

This is a typical left wing analogy which is not only baseless but extremely insulting and a desecration to the memory of the 6 million.

Dan (Zionist)whoever you are, carry on standing up to these swine. The difference between them and the extreme right is that the right, evil as they are, are at least honest about their feelings to Jews.

The left only tolerate us when we are weak.

The comparison of the situation in Israel to the holocaust is vile and is indicative of the racist nature of these vile, lying Nazi supporting scum.

"How disgusting that the extreme left dares to compare the slaughter of 6 million innocent Jews for the crime of being Jewish to the situation in Israel "


Between three-quarter and one MILLION (some Israeli sources even put the number at 1.2 MILLION) Palestinians were driven off their land in 1947, 1948, and 1949 alone, about when Zionists declared the state of Israel (in 1948). This was often accomplished by the victims of the Jewish holocaust massacring Palestinians to scare other Palestinians into fleeing for their lives.

As an African American who has also come from a people who have suffered for centuries at the hands of European Christians, I can say that **NO** AMOUNT OF SUFFERING morally entitles one people to go off dispossess, take or be given the land and homes of a 3rd party innocent people.

And for Jews, who have lost their homes and land so many times in history -- although Jews were NOT history's only or always worse victims -- to go take the homes and land of another people is tragically ironic.

What else is ironic is that there are almost 6 million Palestinians who are now internally and externally exiled from their native land.

Incidentally, many Armenians fled to Palestine to escape the Armenian holocaust in Turkey, but the Armenians, who were welcomed, didn't go to Palestine to take Palestinian land and impose a racially exclusionary (i.e., racist) Armenian state.

A few days ago, I posted a comment here comparing the record of the Zionists with that of the Nazis BEFORE THEY INVADED EASTERN EUROPE. I argued that, while the Nazis were rightly regarded as pariahs almost from their first day in power, their behaviour toward the Jews -- at least until Kristallnacht (9 Nov. 1938), and possibly until June 22,1941 -- was no worse than the behaviour of the Zionists toward the Palestinians throughout the last 70 years or so.

When I posted it, I got the standard message indicating that it had been successfully submitted, but I have not, either then or later, seen it on this page. I'm wondering if there was a technical glitch or is censorship at work?

(I forgot to save a copy of my comment before posting it, and my browser doesn't save pages using https (secure http), so I can't repost it.)

P.S. I can be reached at  indyuk@aarons.fastmail.XX where "XX"="fm".