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FUCK THE BNP Benefit Gig

K.Bullstreet | 26.04.2005 13:30 | Anti-racism | Sheffield

Anti-Fascist benefit gig, Sunday May 1st at The Common Place, Leeds.



Celebrate MayDay and say a big ‘Fuck Off!’ to the BNP with an evening of anti-fascist music, projections, beer, and fun at The Common Place, Leeds, starting at 6.00pm. Well-known local anti-fascist punk and ska bands will be playing, along with a number of DJs. Admission is £2 to members, and £4 to non-members, with membership to The Common Place included. This is a benefit for militant anti-fascism in West Yorkshire, and not a penny will go to the SWP or any of their parasitic front-groups.

K.Bullstreet

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Anarchist Troll

26.04.2005 14:24

Yet another Anarchist troll giving an example of why anarchist politics are incapable of taking the struggle forward and remain will always remain a fringe freak show.

(And all with a nod and a wink from Indymedia moderators)

Memory-Hole-Catchers-Mitt

WTF??

26.04.2005 15:04

Atleast we are not as bad as you swappie trolls begging us all to vote for the pandering politicans inside respect.

wma urban guerilla

Agreement from an Anarchist

26.04.2005 15:30

Well i agree with the above comment.

I am an anarchist myself and saw first hand the pathetic nature of Anarchist group in england.

Everything they do is badly organised or over-the-top.

Anarchism will stay a very fringe thing. It will not grow at all.

Afed members are the worst. They spend all the time hating other groups and doing nothing productive.

Anarchist Youth - They disappeard? not suprised - they were always terribly organised.



Unhappy Anarchist

The real troll uncovered ..

26.04.2005 15:43

.. 'Memory-Hole-Catchers-Mitt'

TrollKiller

Anarchist Trolls

26.04.2005 17:25

For these sectarian freaks the only thing worse than a total New Labour victory would be the election of a RESPECT candidate. But you wont hear them say so in public. They keep their prejudice under wraps and spew it on here instead. Such confidence.

Memory-Hole-Catchers-Mitt

Nobody bought your paper today?

26.04.2005 22:16

Nobody bought your paper today you fucking mug? The SWP/Respect/LMHR/ANL or whatever name they're using this week are just opportunists trying to sell papers and recruit members by paying lip-service to anti-fascism. You only have to look at the abomination that is 'Respect' to see just how quickly these scum are prepared to ditch their supposed anti-fascist principles - sexually segregated meetings, ditching Queer politics and a women's right to choose on abortio, and lying down with muslim fundamentalists. Fuck you and the fascists.

Red N Black

Bands Will Include

26.04.2005 22:18

Bands will include Kakadabu, Black Bats, and hopefully Dog On A Rope.

K.Bullstreet

Sectarian and proud!

26.04.2005 22:52

Unhappy anarchist - have you got any idea at all about anarchism in this country? Your comments would suggest not.

And I wholeheartedly agree with the attitude expressed by K Bullstreet about the SWP - okay you might not like anarchists - and lets face it, we never wanted you to like us... from Kronstadt to the Poll Tax, we've been sold down the river by the Statist left.

Thing is (and I hate to be the one to break this to you...) but virtually everyone I know considers the SWP / Respect / ANaLs etc to be a bit of joke, and from the mercifully few times I've sat in meetings with swappies, I have to agree. Not to mention the band-wagon jumping, the U-turns in policy (remember who was telling us to vote Blair in 97?) and the vampiric entryism that sucks the soul out of any grassroots organistaion the SWP infect.

Anyway, why would anyone give the SWP money? They'll only go and waste it on trying to get that dodgy anti-abortion muppet Galloway elected...

Yorkshire R.A.S.H. Skin

"Sectarian"?

26.04.2005 22:57

"Sectarian"? You're not my fucking comrade.

Anti-Fascist

Can I join in?

27.04.2005 00:28

Gosh! How exciting!

I was thinking in the pub tonight: I've been involved (a bit) in organising for 'Peace in the Park' - a festival in Sheffield, now in its third year. This year it's timed to be just before the G8 Ministers arrive in Sheffield to talk about international co-operation on crime and terrorism n all that.

So we'll be doing some stuff. And we've been having our G8 meetings. Then we discover that the Stop the War Coalition (swappie front par excellence) have arranged a march the same day, which is to end as Peace in the Park starts.

And, of course, STWC want their own speakers on the main stage to set the festival off. And , of course, no-one else does. (Did anyone get to see the wonderful spectacle of the end-of-ESF rally, with entirely SWP-dictated rants, and Chris Nineham having his one great fuhrer-fantasy-moment? Be-jesus, it was scary...)

Anyhoo, it got me to thinking: nothing motivates me quite like a little swappie competition. So I'd say they're doing us a favour! Keeping us on our toes by

1. Having a lot of fully paid-up full-timers (although God knows where they get their dosh...)
2. Being rather good at organising things. (It helps not having to do shitty jobs like the rest of us have to do, of course...)

Thus, I give thanks to the swappies in all their wonderful guises, for making the rest of us rest not on our laurels...

Cheers mateys...

love

Dan

Dan Aktivix
mail e-mail: dan@aktivix.org

To Unhappy Anarchist

27.04.2005 06:30

As one of the only AFED members in Leeds i dont hate any other groups dont spend my life moaning and have a generally positive life.

Its sounds to me that its you who have the dreary outlook on life and politics.
If you want to get involved you can e mial  leeds_af@riseup.net

AFED Member

Jesus' Little Helper

27.04.2005 11:58

Unfortunately Terry is more than a little ecconomical with the truth when it comes to his time in Sheffield. When he moved here, he could have got involved with a large well-established class struggle Anarchist group - Sheffield Anarchists - Instead he got involved with a rump group of drippy hippies and reject wankers, known either as the 'Blackberry Anarchist Group' or the 'Tingle-Tangle Anarchist Group' - And became the general dogsbody and errand boy of their leader, Jesus - Now he moans that he got treated like shit by a bunch of middle-class wankers. Well, what did he expect from a bunch of idiots with a name like that? - And he was warned. Terry wasn't involved in Anarchism in Sheffield, he was involved with a bunch of drips, and he was one of them.

Jack

Back under your bridge you SWPie nonce!

27.04.2005 12:48

How dare you slate the 635 group, they are the only ones doing anything worthwhile against the fascists. The wishy-washy politics of the SWP and their ilk denounce confrontation against the fascists a tactic which has kept fascists at bay for over a hundred years, even Hitler said so! who are these middle-class wankers to say otherwise?

R.A.S.H

SWP Paper-sellers

27.04.2005 14:16

Some of us are old enough to remember when the SWP staggered their Leeds paper-sales so as not to clash with the fascists. They did the same at Brick Lane, and elsewhere. Shows where their priorities lie. It was Anarchists who kicked the fascists off Briggate.

Gramps

BOLLOCKS

27.04.2005 17:25

Unfortunately Terry is more than a little ecconomical with the truth when it comes to his time in Sheffield. When he moved here, he could have got involved with a large well-established class struggle Anarchist group - Sheffield Anarchists -

No they was not.. i was involved for a while and to be frank thay had any jack shit to do with working class strugles of Sheffield (BOTH SECTS)..

Instead he got involved with a rump group of drippy hippies and reject wankers, known either as the 'Blackberry Anarchist Group' or the 'Tingle-Tangle Anarchist Group' - And became the general dogsbody and errand boy of their leader, Jesus -

Well that is true ie dogsbody so you are saying there was no drippy hippies and reject wankers in The class struggle Anarchist group - Sheffield Anarchists - as yo call them well as then and as now you are talking SHIT real Bullshit at that..

Now he moans that he got treated like shit by a bunch of middle-class wankers. Well, what did he expect from a bunch of idiots with a name like that? - And he was warned. Terry wasn't involved in Anarchism in Sheffield, he was involved with a bunch of drips, and he was one of them.

Indeed thay was bunch of Middle-Class Wankers all of them.

The true Anarchist in Sheffield are those who do not PROCLAIME to be but just do.

From someone who was there and still is there however not active in this BULLSHIT nither groups have nothing to offer our class the working class not then and not NOW.

Likwise The BNP SWP what ever brand you call yourselfs you have nothing to offer my class but REVOLUTION well this world and the WORKING CLASS needs change not REVOLOUTION.

Jack and others you are all .........

0114 Group.

0114 GROUP

Jackanory

27.04.2005 18:50

Totally inappropriate on this thread, and far too long for a comment, but there are a few interesting points in this piece. It's a shame so much of Terry's Sheffield chapter is pure fairytale.

Angry Ian

We are the real Anarchists

28.04.2005 06:41

No, we are the real Anarchists.

No we are!

No, WE are.

NOOOOO. We are!!!!

Excuse me, everyone knows that WE are the real Anarchists.

Yawn.

agaergvaergaergavergaergvaergaergaergaeg ag aerg

Peace and Respect

29.04.2005 10:33

Can I point out that Indymedia is intended to be a Newswire. I would like it to be a tool to help us build a better society, where we choose our own values and are not dictated to by the corporate media. I find it very sad when Indymedia is used as a forum for people to slag each other off. Some of the comments made on this thread have been libellous and some have been threatening. Those that clearly broke the law have been hidden. Can I ask that we all treat each other with respect please and concentrate on comments that will build community and make us more effective in the struggle against capitalism. The left have spent way too long tearing ourselves appart. I think it is now time to work together for peace.

Could those who wish to pursue personal vendettas please do that somewhere else.

Deacon Dave

Good Point

29.04.2005 13:59

If Indymedia moderators had followed your advice from the beginning the original post should never have been allowed.

But it was allowed, right?

Therein lies the problem you decry :-)

Me

Surely ..

29.04.2005 16:31

... the point about being an anarchist is allowing a diversity of opinion, having freedom to organise with those you have affinity with, whilst respecting difference with others. For example the pagan magick wiccan anarchists will probably be very different to anarcho communists, but equivalently anarchist.

love and kisses xxx

compile your own solution

Red Tide of Fascism

02.05.2005 12:21

I wonder if the above article by T.Morgan about his experience as a working-class anarchist, represents a smaller part of an actual autobiography on the failed communications, and expansions of UK anarchism. Using Sheffeild has an example of a broader picture.

>>why did the movement never get any bigger?
why was there never any progress?
why are anarchists generally unreliable?<< T.Morgan


This isn’t the first time I have heard the kind of thing that Terry is speaking about. Members of SPEAK - a Christian based awareness project for change - of who work with anarchists have agreed to the same thing. Arguing from a Christian perspective how socialist parties fail to communicate with or convert their targets. This argument used a very good example of the attendees to World Social Forum, which logically thinking would barely attract the mass of working class UK, yet alone worldwide. The reason for this being that if the working class couldn’t afford a holiday in some exotic location how are they all of the sudden to afford flights for the next Social Forum where decisions were being made in their name? I concluded from that example that the working class en masse were not truly represented in these talks of revolutionary theory. So where can there be a revolution, which plans to stop capitalist production, that will take place take in their name?

Terry may have been talking about his working-class experience using Sheffield has his personal study, but to the greater picture of poor, and hard working areas I ask when was the last time the kind of strike to stop production took place on the streets of Lewisham South. London?

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RED TIDE OF FASCISM

02.05.2005 13:06



I wonder if the above article by T.Morgan about his experience as a working-class anarchist, represents a smaller part of an actual autobiography on the failed communications, and expansions of UK anarchism. Using Sheffeild has an example of a broader picture.

>>why did the movement never get any bigger?
why was there never any progress?
why are anarchists generally unreliable?<< T.Morgan

This isn’t the first time I have heard the kind of thing that Terry is speaking about. Members of SPEAK - a Christian based awareness project for change - of who work with anarchists have agreed to the same thing. Arguing from a Christian perspective how socialist parties fail to communicate with or convert their targets. This argument used a very good example of the attendees to World Social Forum, which logically thinking would barely attract the mass of working class UK, yet alone worldwide. The reason for this being that if the working class couldn’t afford a holiday in some exotic location how are they all of the sudden to afford flights for the next Social Forum where decisions were being made in their name? I concluded from that example that the working class en masse were not truly represented in these talks of revolutionary theory. So where can there be a revolution, which plans to stop capitalist production, that will take place take in their name?

Terry may have been talking about his working-class experience using Sheffield has his personal study, but to the greater picture of poor, and hard working areas I ask when was the last time the kind of strike to stop production took place on the streets of Lewisham South. London?

NO-LOGO Reader

Be Consistent Moderator

03.05.2005 15:46

This thread is a news posting about an anti-fascist benefit gig in Leeds. Entirely inappropriately, Mozaz, who as has been said, does not have a reputation for honesty, posted an extremely long and unoriginal 'cut and paste' piece from his own website. This may be of interest to Indymedia readers, but it has nothing to do with the original subject. He could have started a seperate thread or put a link in to his own website or the 'Openly Classist' website where the piece originally appeared. Rightly or wrongly, Terry Morgan's article slates a lot of individuals and groups, as well as the Anarchist movement in general. In view of it's controversial nature it was inevitable that it provoked robust responses. It was pointed out that Terry Morgan's analysis of the Anarchist movement in Sheffield was based on a fundamental untruth. Mozaz responded to this by claiming that he himself was involved in Sheffield Anarchists, something which, as was pointed out in the posting which was 'hidden' is untrue. It seems unfair to remove some posts and leave the other controversial posts in place. Mozaz is defaming a group which in the past had a very good reputation, it's inevitable that anyone involved with Sheffield Anarchists would be offended by his untrue claims, and I think, under the circumstances, entitled to defend their position robustly. As for the more 'colourful' claims made about Mozaz, these are hardly news.

Red N Black

That's Odd

23.06.2005 19:12

... funny that I never noticed the mass working class anarchist group in Sheffield. Which one was that? the mighty Sheffield Anarchists? and where are they now? Running the trains?

Blackberry Anarchists were one half of a pathetic split in response to liberal handling of a serious issue where one of the big leaders of the group was accused of beating up his girlfriend. I have no idea, nor do I care whether the accusation was true or not.

The writer who said there was a real working class anarchist group at the time, and I had the option of getting involved with that, really is talking out of his/her arse.

Ancient history really - but nothing in the piece I wrote (which I have never placed on an indymedia website - ever) is made up - it all happened. It may be that I have been selective, to make a point, but it is all true. If anyone wants to specify any description of any incident that is false, I'd be happy to respond - I might not be able to give precise dates, and it will me my word against theirs, but bring it on.

My reason for writing the thing was because I might save some people the waste of time that joining an anarchist group is - for anything other than posing, and self rightousness.

And... anyone who reads it will note that I didn't just write about the Blackberry hippy idiots - I took the time to look at a wider range of anarcho-buffoons, including those who take themselves serious (and I don't mean the "paramilitary" boyzone lot that were the SHEFFIELD ANARCHISTS - with their 130 year history).

And as someone else pointed out - Sheffield (with its sad insignificant handful of in-activists)was typical - as I found in every part of the country, and became part of when I moved to Leeds.

Terry
mail e-mail: info@openlyclassist.org.uk
- Homepage: http://www.openlyclassist.org.uk

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I'm flattered you want to fuck me

09.08.2006 08:49

But I'm not sure what I'd catch from some of the scabby drug addled slags who were shallow or dumb enough to join the commies.

James

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