Noble Cause Torture?
Lib/Lab | 10.03.2005 02:31 | Anti-militarism | Repression | London | World
The Opposition had signalled it would support the inquiry but after internal discussions, Labor says it does not think a Senate probe is an appropriate forum to investigate the allegations.
Then what is the appropriate forum?
Then what is the appropriate forum?
Labor sanctions
torture of citizen
Mamdouh Habib?
AUSTRALIA: The Labor Party has decided not to support a Senate inquiry into new allegations made by Mamdouh Habib that the Australian Government cooperated with Egyptian intelligence authorities who he insists tortured him.
The former Guantanamo Bay detainee says that when he was interrogated in Egypt, he was questioned about names and phone numbers that could only have been obtained from a mobile phone simcard he left at his Sydney home.
His house was raided by ASIO in 2001.
The Greens have moved a motion in the Senate to investigate the claims.
The Opposition had signalled it would support the inquiry but after internal discussions, Labor says it does not think a Senate probe is an appropriate forum to investigate the allegations.
Then what is the appropriate forum?
Related:
Australia owes Habib nothing: Beasley?
Why wouldn't you have empathy for a person whose government colluded to torture an Australian citizen?
More:
http://www.adelaide.indymedia.org.au/newswire/display/7982/index.php
No reason for Habib to sell story: Beazley?
Perhaps Kim Beazley would like to donate his last three years pay to Mr Habib instead? Seems, while Beazley was putting on the pounds stuffing his face and keeping his big mouth shut about Mr Habib. Mr Habib had been taunted and profiled in Australia, then kidnapped by the US and isolated and tortured in Guantanamo Bay? Right under his nose!
More: http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2005/02/87266_comment.php
New account adds weight to interrogation claims
After ASIO and the AFP made further allegations at the Senate Estimates Committee, pro-govt media done just the same CH/7 accusing Mr Habib of meeting David Hicks in Afghanistan, CH/10 running a flawed poll with it's viewers suggesting 80 per cent say his guilty. Ch/7's flawed poll suggesting 52 per cent of its viewers said it's okay to torture people under certain circumstances? But 48 per cent don't think so.
More: http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2005/02/87806.php
Senate accused Govt of war crimes
Did you hear the one about David Hicks and Mamdouh Habib having a Barbeque in Afghanistan with Bin Laden? Yeah it was reported on Channel Seven's Sunrise this morning! But they don't know if it was a sheep or a goat, but sources say it was most likely a goat. So I don't think I love them, so what am I so afraid of? I'm afraid that I'm sure of, the lies that there's a cure for. So why do they lie to you?
More: http://www.adelaide.indymedia.org.au/newswire/display/7965/index.php
Federal Police discounted Habib torture?
The fact that Keelty and his mob set about taunting Mr Habib well before the alleged notification of torture in Pakistan and subsequent kidnap to Egypt means that Keelty is a blatant liar. So what is a blatant liar doing as head of AFP?
More: http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2005/02/87685.php
Howard's war crimes
It's now "appropriate" for Australian troops to shoot innocent Iraqi women in the head. Howard has just made a war criminal of an Australian soldier and is sending 450 more troops to illegally occupy Iraq who will be put in a position where more "collateral damage" is highly likely. If you haven't already figured it out "collateral damage" is orwellianspeak for "war crime"
More: http://www.adelaide.indymedia.org.au/newswire/display/8013
Howard unfazed by speculation
If his party wants him to go they wont get rid of their criminal tags just because they tell him to go or even if they say he's stepping down.
More: http://www.adelaide.indymedia.org.au/newswire/display/8008/index.php
Clarke, Dawe and Beazley
INTERVIEWER: Is the fact that you had the same policies as the Government.
KIM BEAZLEY: No, not so much that we had the same policies as the Government, but that they had them first.
More: http://www.adelaide.indymedia.org.au/newswire/display/7985/index.php
Fascist Australian Govt torture exposed
Labor's Nicola Roxon suggests the evidence against Mr Habib was tainted. "I think it defies belief that they haven't asked the US the reasons that they released Mr Habib without charge," she said.
More: http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2005/02/87669.php
UP, UP AND AWAY WITH JA THE FRIENDLY, FRIENDLY WAY...
Channel Ten reported yesterday that 80 per cent of its viewers say Mumdouh Habib is guilty of being a witch in a flawed opinion poll taken by the station. Yet Mr Habib's harassment, kidnap and subsequent torture by the authorities both here and abroad is a crime against humanity and he and his family have suffered both directly and indirectly from that treatment. The community suffers as well because the authorities have chosen to lower the standards of our humanity. Let Mamdouh Habib have his day in court.
More: http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2005/02/87708.php
torture of citizen
Mamdouh Habib?
AUSTRALIA: The Labor Party has decided not to support a Senate inquiry into new allegations made by Mamdouh Habib that the Australian Government cooperated with Egyptian intelligence authorities who he insists tortured him.
The former Guantanamo Bay detainee says that when he was interrogated in Egypt, he was questioned about names and phone numbers that could only have been obtained from a mobile phone simcard he left at his Sydney home.
His house was raided by ASIO in 2001.
The Greens have moved a motion in the Senate to investigate the claims.
The Opposition had signalled it would support the inquiry but after internal discussions, Labor says it does not think a Senate probe is an appropriate forum to investigate the allegations.
Then what is the appropriate forum?
Related:
Australia owes Habib nothing: Beasley?
Why wouldn't you have empathy for a person whose government colluded to torture an Australian citizen?
More:
http://www.adelaide.indymedia.org.au/newswire/display/7982/index.php No reason for Habib to sell story: Beazley?
Perhaps Kim Beazley would like to donate his last three years pay to Mr Habib instead? Seems, while Beazley was putting on the pounds stuffing his face and keeping his big mouth shut about Mr Habib. Mr Habib had been taunted and profiled in Australia, then kidnapped by the US and isolated and tortured in Guantanamo Bay? Right under his nose!
More:
http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2005/02/87266_comment.php New account adds weight to interrogation claims
After ASIO and the AFP made further allegations at the Senate Estimates Committee, pro-govt media done just the same CH/7 accusing Mr Habib of meeting David Hicks in Afghanistan, CH/10 running a flawed poll with it's viewers suggesting 80 per cent say his guilty. Ch/7's flawed poll suggesting 52 per cent of its viewers said it's okay to torture people under certain circumstances? But 48 per cent don't think so.
More:
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2005/02/87806.php Senate accused Govt of war crimes
Did you hear the one about David Hicks and Mamdouh Habib having a Barbeque in Afghanistan with Bin Laden? Yeah it was reported on Channel Seven's Sunrise this morning! But they don't know if it was a sheep or a goat, but sources say it was most likely a goat. So I don't think I love them, so what am I so afraid of? I'm afraid that I'm sure of, the lies that there's a cure for. So why do they lie to you?
More:
http://www.adelaide.indymedia.org.au/newswire/display/7965/index.php Federal Police discounted Habib torture?
The fact that Keelty and his mob set about taunting Mr Habib well before the alleged notification of torture in Pakistan and subsequent kidnap to Egypt means that Keelty is a blatant liar. So what is a blatant liar doing as head of AFP?
More:
http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2005/02/87685.php Howard's war crimes
It's now "appropriate" for Australian troops to shoot innocent Iraqi women in the head. Howard has just made a war criminal of an Australian soldier and is sending 450 more troops to illegally occupy Iraq who will be put in a position where more "collateral damage" is highly likely. If you haven't already figured it out "collateral damage" is orwellianspeak for "war crime"
More:
http://www.adelaide.indymedia.org.au/newswire/display/8013 Howard unfazed by speculation
If his party wants him to go they wont get rid of their criminal tags just because they tell him to go or even if they say he's stepping down.
More:
http://www.adelaide.indymedia.org.au/newswire/display/8008/index.php Clarke, Dawe and Beazley
INTERVIEWER: Is the fact that you had the same policies as the Government.
KIM BEAZLEY: No, not so much that we had the same policies as the Government, but that they had them first.
More:
http://www.adelaide.indymedia.org.au/newswire/display/7985/index.php Fascist Australian Govt torture exposed
Labor's Nicola Roxon suggests the evidence against Mr Habib was tainted. "I think it defies belief that they haven't asked the US the reasons that they released Mr Habib without charge," she said.
More:
http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2005/02/87669.php UP, UP AND AWAY WITH JA THE FRIENDLY, FRIENDLY WAY...
Channel Ten reported yesterday that 80 per cent of its viewers say Mumdouh Habib is guilty of being a witch in a flawed opinion poll taken by the station. Yet Mr Habib's harassment, kidnap and subsequent torture by the authorities both here and abroad is a crime against humanity and he and his family have suffered both directly and indirectly from that treatment. The community suffers as well because the authorities have chosen to lower the standards of our humanity. Let Mamdouh Habib have his day in court.
More:
http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2005/02/87708.php
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Just a thought
10.03.2005 15:12
Ahab
Witch Hunts, by any other name.
10.03.2005 17:05
It's just that these days, it masquerades under the guise of "Anti Terrorist Measures (Inc)".
I'm also glad you slipped in a comparison with Witch hunting, because that's exactly what it is, by any other name, wherever it takes place on this beautiful, but alas, afflicted planet of ours.
The sooner the majority of people come to their senses and realise that's what is going on, the better it will be for all of us who dare to go against the proverbial grain and think, act or speak differently from the so-called recieved wisdom of the day.
Of course, there is also the matter of racism and xenophobia to be contended with amongst all this insanity too.
Lenin Macarthy
Mr Habib's trip to Afghanistan in 2001
10.03.2005 23:02
This claim is backed up by the head of the Australian Federal Police, who have been tailing Mumdouh for years.
Mumdouh Habib's lawyers claim he was in Pakistan looking for a school for his children, who live in the Sydney suburb of Lakemba. One of his children is an adult.
Then on an interview with 60 Minutes, for which he was paid, Mumdouh made a serious mistake. He mentioned his trip to Afghanistan.
Ooops.
He then said he would not say why he was in Afghanistan "except in a court of law".
He is not subject to any charges in Australia or the USA - or anywhere else.
Subsequently, he gave another interview (unpaid this time) to the Australian Special Broadcasting System televion network.
This time his lawyer sat next to him, vetting every single question put to his client - who I stress faces no charges in Australia - and even instructing the interviewer on what questions to ask.
Mumdouh withdrew his admission that he was in Afghanistan.
He does acknowledge he made eight trips to Pakistan, though he is on a permanent disability pension, "looking for a school for my children" and inquiring into "business opportunities".
Eight trips to Pakistan (on his pension), where he was arrested after intervening on behalf of two other men also being arrested in a crack down on al Qaeda suspects by Pakistani authorities.
He claims he did not know who the two other were, but "felt sorry for them".
He would not specify what the "business opportunities" in Pakistan were. And his lawyer instructed the interviewer to stop asking about them.
Several recent polls have found that 70+ per cent of the Australian viewing audience thought Mumdouh was lying.
Cannot imagine why myself.
just passing