Skip to content or view screen version

How Britain is manipulated by the US (and Israel)

Epimenedes | 13.02.2005 14:34

Over the last quarter century, the balanced between 'humint' (human intelligence) and 'sigint'/'elint' (signals and communications intel) has tilted strongly in the direction of the latter. The UK-- because of the 1945 UK-USA agreement which generated the collaboration known as 'echelon', is caught up in this hi-tech enthusiasm. It has made Britain susceptible to direct manipulation by the US and indeed by Israel.

At the heart of the 'US-UK' special relationship is not nuclear weapons or cultural ties, but a siamese twin in which two intelligence establishments are joined at the hip by the signals/electronic and communications intelligence apparatus called Echelon. But, as often with Siamese twins, there is a dominant and a subordinate party: the NSA-- the American operation -- is the key player and GCHQ, the Australian and New Zealand signals intelligence apparatuses are partners of decreasing weight. The NSA has a repertoire of sattelite feeds and covert plugins to communication networks in other countries which make it the 800 lb gorilla in that relationship. Most of the sigint/elint intelligence 'take' is American-produced and then 'shared'.

The great prestige of hi-tech intelligence gathering--- the rise of which has matched the computer mania of the 1990s -- has created an area of significant vulnerability.

For the problem with the technology-heavy mass production of sigint is that it generates large numbers of 'false positives' and 'false negatives' (For a discussion of this see my comments at
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/02/305121.html )

But intelligence apparatuses need to move quickly in response to apparent threats. And most are willing to pay a lot of attention to a meaningful-looking "grey" clump of data before they dismiss it as a 'false positive'. Indeed, 'chatter' which seems meaningful will be held as potentially significant for a very long time.

What has been suggested by non-US/UK intelligence boffins is that the UK, in the run up to the Iraq War and in the so-called 'War on Terror', has been systematically manipulated by elements in the US intelligence apparatus and indeed by Israel.

The problem for Britain is that it has no genuinely independent signals intelligence gathering and analysis capacity. It is not necessary for those who wish to manipulate British policy to place an objective lie in the system. All they need to do is to create through 'chatter' an environment of threat, to run a delicate diffused 'false flag' operation -- a hitech equivalent to the Lavon affair (for which see  http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/lavon.html ).

One of the roots of the independence of France's foreign policy is its autonomous and secure intelligence gathering system. When will British patriots begin to realize the dangers of their dependence on the United States?

Epimenedes

Comments

Hide the following 8 comments

Nationalism is part of the problem!

13.02.2005 16:54

Epimenedes asks "When will British patriots begin to realize the dangers of their dependence on the United States?" ... well, since when is national capitalism so much better than US-centric capitalism? Is France so much different from the UK?

Nationalism is just another tool used by the capitalists to keep the rest of us divided and fighting, it has no answers, just as capitalism has no answers.

We don't need a more independant UK capitalism -- we need to get rid of capitalism!

i18n


Wrong

13.02.2005 19:02

"The problem for Britain is that it has no genuinely independent signals intelligence gathering and analysis capacity"

That ALL GCHQ does !

Britain invented the techniques, the systems still in use today (Bletchly Park ?) The US throws more money at but an independent system is integral to the UK. Go read Spycatcher

Spy


Spy- its not that simple

13.02.2005 21:57

Spy,
The history of Bletchley etc is irrelevant.

GCHQ is not quite as independent as you think. In technical terms it is very much the junior partner of the NSA-- it is not independent of the United States signals intelligence establishment

Epimenedes


Learn

13.02.2005 23:33

No it's not, do some research. Bletchly is also relevant. Read, research learn

spy


I suspect I know a bit more about this than you think!

14.02.2005 10:22

"Spy", you are remarkably ill-informed! (BTW you have mispelled Bletchley twice ;-)-- not British are you?) The subordination of the British intelligence apparatus to the United States is structural. In intel policy discussions it is bad enough (there are often American representatives even on the JIC, while there are no British voices invited to be part of key discussions of British policy), In sigint, it is even more fundamental: GCHQ is fully under the thumb of the NSA.

Epimenedes


It depends what you mean by "Britain"

14.02.2005 20:26

I suppose it all comes down to what you mean by Britain , The British Government, or the banks and people who control all the loot, or perhaps the folks back home. Who actually controls Britain, the United states and errr Holland,
the Dutch have been very much involved since the end of the 30 years war in Europe, William of Orange battle of the Boyne and all that hoo haa .. royal Dutch shell Unilever, Phillips and plenty more.
The Germans Control Rolls Royce and jaguar and the chinese can have Rover , Britain just a fine chunk of real estate INNIT ? ?

Jolly Roger


UKUSA

14.02.2005 22:38

Epimenedes you don't know your stuff I'm afraid. There are around 200 Britisn civil and military staff working at the NSA and another 30 sitting on the Echelon planning group. The UK maintains an independent intel gathering and analysis capability (it was set up under Wilson) and was expanded by Thatcher. GCHQ at Cheltenham does work closely with the US (as it does the Australians) but it is fully independent.

George


wot's all this got to do with Israel

15.02.2005 02:18

as the title would have it

puzzled