The hunting debate is a real one. The sabs put out these ' horror ' pictures. 25,000 foxes a year are killed by hunts probally less than by cars/ starvation / or as pests when they move into cities. Dont recall any protests for these or Factory farming - though the animals must crave death as they have no life at all and live in conditions close to torture. So big deal if a hunter loses it when a sab gets in the way of the horse and freaks it out or distresses the dogs. sorry but life isnt about beatrix potter land so lets fight the real problems both for animals and people

One picture shows one of the field using her horse as a weapon against a sab, another shows one of the terrier man's assistants, likes to have a go using his whip and his vehicle against sabs. Unfortunatly the video footage doesn't have audio, the cheers and cries of joy as a wild animal was pulled to bits, shows it for the sport it is and the blood lust they love. No quick nip to the back of the neck and as no hounds were in cry it could have only been a pre caught 'bagged fox', so much for the chase.

you should get yourself out there with us and see if that opinion still holds firm. sabs freaking out or distressing the hounds? no mate, we're animal lovers. remember, these poor bastards are shot dead when they're past their prime. and bear in mind that those 25,000 (your figure) or so foxes are gleefully run ragged across open country to be torn apart or, worse, dug from their earths and thrown to the pack. no, being smeared across the north circular can't be nice either, but let's keep things in perspective.

if you think those are 'horror' pictures, then fair enough. it's a horrific business. we're not dressing it up, this is what goes on. we're fighting the real problem - what are you doing?

Here are a few examples of the violence used by hunts in the Essex area, these only the some of the ones that have led to an arrest. Assaults against sabs happen weekly and are very rarely dealt with by the Police. Dodgy arrests against sabs on the other hand are quite regular. Below are two examples of Bryn Chittenden's bravery, he's the twit in the balaclava..................

 http://nwhsa.redblackandgreen.net/convicted_hunt_supporters.htm

Roger Wakefield, Essex and Farmers Union Terrierman, given 160 hours community service after being found guilty of violent disorder and affray against saboteurs. Hunt supporter, Bryn Chittenden was also convicted of the same offences and given 120 hours community service.

Anne Hull (40) of Maldon Road, Burnham was found guilty in of aiding and abetting interference with a badger sett. But Chelmsford Crown Court overturned the conviction at an appeal hearing on 2/11/01 after ruling there was no direct evidence linking Hull with the blocking of a badger sett. The court heard how Hull was a joint master of The Essex Farmers and Union Hunt when the six-hole badger sett was partially blocked by earth-stopper and terrierman Bryn Chittenden.

The chairman of the Essex Foxhounds and two of his hired stewards paid a total of £1053 in damages to three L.A.C.S. officials, after the stewards had forcibly removed them from land. The L.A.C.S. people were pushed around and threatened by the hired thugs.

Hunt saboteurs in East Anglia are fuming after a hunt supporter guilty of assaulting a female protestor and a policeman was given a 12 month bind over on 21/6/02 by Bury St Edmunds magistrates. "This amounts to nothing more than a slap on the wrists for him and a slap in the face for us" said one member of Suffolk and Essex Sabs, the local hunt saboteur group. Sabs had been using non-violent direct action to prevent the Suffolk Hunt killing foxes when Martin Nunn, a supporter of the hunt who is also known to help out with kennel duties, attacked a hunt saboteur. When a policeman intervened to halt the attack, he too was assaulted. The incident at Wepstead near Bury St Edmunds was clearly captured on video. Hunt Saboteurs Association spokesperson Nathan Brown commented: "Is it any wonder that hunt supporters continue to attack people who protest against them when this is the punishment they receive?

Supporters of the Puckeridge Foxhounds, Ronald Edwards and his son Steven, bound over for a year by the sum of £200 after an incident in which a sab was beaten unconscious. Another hunt heavy was also fined £100 with £303.41 costs and compensation for damage caused to a saboteur's car, when he crushed it with his own.
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 http://www.violenceinanimalrights.co.uk/compensation.html
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Twenty-six saboteurs were arrested by Essex Police at a meet of the Essex Foxhounds in 1993, all randomly, some violently. Many were arrested with one offence and then charged with another, they were held over night then collectively charged with Violent Disorder and released that evening. The case collapsed. For those unable to get legal aid the cost of seeking some justice was too restrictive for them to proceed. A handful received payouts from the force of between £2000 and £3000, totalling over £30,000. Most of the pay-outs were for Wrongful Arrest, Unlawful Detention, Malicious Prosecution and Assault and were settled out of court.
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Ros Kavenagh was awarded £2,500 by Essex Police after they arrested her unlawfully at a hunt meet in the county. The next time she attended a meet in the area they reported their unlawful and violent actions and were subsequently forced to award her a further £5,000*
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Three saboteurs received £500 each for, variously, Unlawful Arrest, Detention and Assault in an out of court settlement with Essex Police after they were arrested for various public order offences at a hunt meet in the county during the cub hunting season at the end of 1993. One was for refusing to give his personal details within earshot of hunt terrier-men, a misdemeanor for which he was raised off the ground by his throat by a police officer until he passed out.

You call yourselves animal lovers? I'd like to see you stand there and watch 40+ hounds being shot because of people like YOU!!!!!!!!! How would would you like to loose your home, Animals and livelyhood again because of people like YOU!!!!!!! If you don't like hunting thats your opinion and we respect that but it's an english tradition that has be here for hundreds of years. What are you going to stop next? Cricket?

What do you achive if you do manage to take the hounds away from the hunts men, and what do you do with them