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Anarchy is juvenile rebellion

Devils Avocado | 24.08.2004 01:30 | Analysis | Free Spaces

“Man is by nature a political animal.” Aristotle

A lot of very bright and well intentioned people talk about anarchy as a solution to political problems. They are barking up the wrong tree...

We as a species are neither good nor bad. There is no inherent evil in us, no original sin. Neither is there any purity.

We have evolved from apes that took to hunting and scavenging. We learned to kill and we leaned to share far more than our vegetarian ancestors. All apes are pretty disreputable in their behaviour, we are no exception. We fight, we kill, we steal. We also feel guilt. Guilt is probably our best feature, that and the power to discern a difference between the way things are and the way things could be.

There was no Garden of Eden, no fall, no golden state of nature, no single social contract. We have grown, we have spawned. We are nasty apes with the brains to be especially nasty, and the culture to help us transcend our animal nature.

Political philosophers have long argued about the true nature of man. Are we fundamentally nasty people who should expect to be treated nastily, like Machiavelli thought?

"It is necessary for him who lays out a state and arranges laws for it to presuppose that all men are evil and that they are always going to act according to the wickedness of their spirits whenever they have free scope. " Niccolò Machiavelli, 1513

Or are we fundamentally nasty but capable of good if correctly organized and governed, as Hobbes thought?

“During the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man.”

“No arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.”
Thomas Hobbes, 1651

Or yet again are we fundamentally good but seemingly destined to suffer under tyranny, as Rousseau thought?

“L’homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers.”
Man was born free, and everywhere he is in chains.

Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Du Contrat social (1762)

We do not act as rational agents in pursuit of our own naked self-interest. We have a real tendency to co-operate whenever possible. This tendency is not perfect, if it was any political scheme you care to devise would work perfectly, whether it be democracy, anarchy, benign monarchy or communism. In a way it is only the shortcomings of human nature that show up any difference between any political systems.

Cheating is a natural instinct with us, an instinct which we can only partially control with our innate tendencies to co-operate. We evolved our large brains principally in order to police cheating in social situations. Baboons are successful scavenging omnivorous apes, they show us that tool wielding intelligence is not necessary to make your way in the world. We did not evolve intelligence to outwit our food, we evolved it to outwit each other, and more especially to avoid being outwitted by rivals.

Anarchy as a political code relies on us having an alien nature. It relies on us trusting each other and not cheating. It could never work. The biggest danger does not come from our innate wickedness, we are not naturally wicked, but from our willingness to accept the idea that we are naturally wicked. Huge numbers of people treat their fellow man as if he was evil and amoral, this attitude can develop into a self-fulfilling prophesy. White South Africans feared that their black neighbours would rape their wives and they acted accordingly, as a result of this South Africa has one of the highest incidences of rape in the world, and most of the victims, like their rapists, are black. When people are expected to act in a certain way they will tend to do so.

People are more moral and co-operative by nature than we usually dare to allow. But if people practice universal trust they will be betrayed. We cannot police ourselves fully in a society of more than a few dozen people. Our brains are not powerful enough to allow it, we have evolved in small bands of up to 150 or so individuals, we are socially well equipped to police give and take in groups of up to this size but once the threshold is crossed we are no longer well equipped to cope.

Beyond the size of the natural human unit, the small band or tribe, we need some form of structure to allow us to cope, without it we descend into the chaos of the mob.

I do not particularly like governments as such. But that does not mean that I am frightened of them or believe in conspiracy theories. Without a government there would be chaos. There would be no rule of law, no safety from cheats. Gangsters would run many markets. Corruption, nepotism and casual violence would be widespread, because it would be expected. Even in modern societies with formal legal structures the streetwise people know that fair and honest dealing is not always to be found in travelling carnivals and sleazy nightcubs; with no courts or Police at all how much further would endemic corruption travel? Are the dubious market forces that operate in the drugs market a good omen for unfettered free trading?

The absence of a formal government will not lead to more freedom, quite the contrary. There will always be somebody who wants to run the place. If you do not elect somebody to do the job then you leave the position vacant for the strongest man to seize the power. While some kings, tyrants and gangsters have been popular leaders on the whole their record is significantly worse than democratic leaders.

Governments cannot simply be uninvented or tossed aside. Governments exist, so they say, to protect the people from danger. It follows that there must be a danger, it follows that there must be a force to meet that threat. Any state needs an armed force. Indeed, it is the very capacity to declare and fight a legitimate war that defines what a nation-state is. California is not a nation-state. It has a huge government but it has no armed forces or legitimate right to declare war. Many tiny African nations have little government, but have armed forces. Once you have a government, a territory an army and a tax raising power you have government for ever. If that government stopped paying the army there would be a coup. This is the fundamental reason why anarchy can never operate on a national level. Government cannot be dismantled from below. The only hope to dismantle national government is to take away the powers it holds gradually to both local government and to supranational organizations, and to dismantle the military structures of the nation state in a gradual way, avoiding any confrontation with the existing military powers. Perhaps even natural wastage could be applied, keep paying the soldiers to drill and dig trenches but stop all recruitment; so the army, like the old soldiers, will not die but will simply fade away.

There has to be a rule of law. There has to be a government behind the rule of law. There has to be democracy behind the government. The trick is to have a government that serves the people and not the other way around. We need democracy, we need plurality of expression, we need education, we need plurality of education.

Many young people posture as anarchists because it is cool. Being an atheist is rejecting God, being an anarchist is rejecting government, rejecting is cool. Rebel, maverick, unconventional, heretic, leftfield, renegade, dissident, outlaw, infidel; all these terms are worn by the young with uncritical pride in today's society. But differing from the norm is not intrinsically either good or bad.

Rebelling against tyranny is usually noble.
Rebelling against consensus democracy is usually juvenile.

I have every confidence that when true global democratic government is established there will still be hundreds of millions of people who will decry it as despotism. Rebellion is always so much more fun. Strife and conflict are essential. Young men will always be rebels and will always find a cause against the status quo. There never could be a society utopian enough to avoid teenagers feeling they were being stifled by the dead hand of the repressive older generation.

You are safe to attack the government only because you live in a democracy. It is not safe to speak against the pharaoh, the Führer, the Chairman, Mr Big or scarface.

Until we can organize a world government, democratic national governments are the least inconvenient way to conduct our affairs. That is hardly a slogan capable of getting anybody to man the barricades is it? But why should the truth make a good T shirt slogan?

Devils Avocado

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Can't live without 'em? Can't live with 'em!!!!!!

24.08.2004 04:10

If people can't be trusted enough to live without a state, they most certainly can't be trusted to live WITH one. If people without a state will attack, cheat or steal from each other, when they have roughly similar amounts of force available, they will even more surely do so when a few of them are in a position of disproportionately superior force! Call this the asymmetry hypothesis: if human nature is bad enough that state power is required to prevent individuals or small groups committing some terrible evil, then it is bad enough that state power will inevitably make this evil worse, by giving asymmetrical and disproportionate power to particular groups and individuals. If human nature is good enough that statists will not routinely and inevitable abuse their power, it is good enough that the state is unnecessary.

In any case, the state is the real danger. For instance, states have developed ever more lethal weapons. Individuals have to be very angry to engage in lethal violence towards one another, but states go to war at the flick of a switch. States commit genocide in its most vicious forms, use the worst forms of torture in systematic ways, lock millions up in gulags for petty deviance and political dissent, fund proxies to wage civil wars and run organised-crime rackets, and generally cause death, suffering and misery on a disastrous scale wherever they arise. Liberalism has failed to prevent the rise of ever more authoritarian state measures. The Patriot Act shreds the US Constitution for instance. Liberals try to prevent statist atrocities by checks and balances and by limiting state power. But states and factions within states will simply overrule laws and rules which impede them from whatever measures they want to take.

No consistent conception of human nature (whether pessimistic, optimistic, somewhere inbetween, or sceptical about the concept) can yield statism as a logical conclusion. Statism can only be based on asymmetry between an in-group and an out-group, in which the in-group (humans or ubermenschen) are to be protected from the out-group (untermenschen). This is the only way out of the asymmetry hypothesis, because one can then posit a constitutional difference between two kinds of people, type A who can be trusted not to harm one another and therefore can be trusted to run the state, and type B who cannot be trusted and who state power is needed to suppress. This of course means that statism, in its basic logic, is inherently fascistic, and that states wherever they exist tend towards fascism unless constrained by non-state forces. Of course, the forces capable of constraining the state will inevitably be identified by statists with the type-B humans against whom the type-A humans need to be protected - so they cannot gain a discursive foothold within the statist order. The only way out of the disaster which is global statism is some kind of anarchism, whether this is based on localism and a "return" to smaller-scale social forms (e.g. primitivism) or whether it involves large-scale social relations operating on a horizontal, rhizomatic and non-hierarchical model (e.g. syndicalism).

Andy


You fundamentally misrepresent anarchism, Devils Avacado

24.08.2004 10:22

But then, given the name you post under, am I surprised?

I don't consider myself an anarchist, but here's a few of the misconceptions you hold clarified:

"Rebelling against tyranny is usually noble.
Rebelling against consensus democracy is usually juvenile."

Anarchists are pro-consensus democracy. They criticise the present UK system because it is not democratic. You may have been told that this is 'democracy' since birth but that don't make it so, consider this before parroting statist propaganda:

There are two poles of the spectrum of democratic society - representative and participatory. Other characteristics such as consultation fall outside the democratic spectrum and firmly in the authoritarian camp because they rely on the whims of the 'rulers' (for want of a less sensationalistic word), not the will of the 'ruled'. The present UK system is not even a representative democracy since our 'representatives' actually exist to make decisions on our behalf, not according to our aggregate will, consensus etc - The Iraq war and GM foods are clear examples of this. Furthermore, all MPs are not equal, so even if they were representative, there would be arbritrary inequality. I could go on, but clearly we do not live in a democratic society. Though our system has some superficial democratic traits, it is firmly authoritarian, though clearly not as extremely so (towards the domestic population at least) as Hitler, Stalin etc. I think 'elective oligarchy' is a fair term.

"There has to be a rule of law"

Theres an interesting debate about this here:

This is certainly anarchism's dodgy point, where it appears to differ from our conceptions of how people behave. It is worth pointing out however, as you do, that co-operation/mutual aid is a natural instinct. The means by which this is suppressed in contemporary elective oligarchy are subtle but comprehensive - the artificial scarcity of a medium of exchange based on debt-financing and interest charges (which seem so natural until we deconstruct them) is a clear example - see Michael Rowbotham's 'The Grip of Death' book. Anarchism is anti-law as in against rules imposed on a society but not against consensual (majoritarian?) rules. Clearly rules, formal are otherwise are inherent in the concept of society - you would need a rule to say no-one could make rules! Thus anarchism appears to be more interested on abolishing punishment in favour of compensatory/restorative justice. C

ontrary to received wisdom, increasing sentance severity only increases deterrence (= marginal deterrence) when the sentences are completely out of proportion to the crime, i.e. the punishment is a greater crime and the State becomes the criminal. Absolute deterrence (the existence of consequences per se) does have an effect. The need to compensate a victim in some way would therefore have just as effective a deterrent effect as prison time while benefiting society and breaking the social acceptence of vengence/retribution as a legitimate course of action.

"The absence of a formal government will not lead to more freedom, quite the contrary"

Again, anarchism is not anti-government per se, it is pro-self-government, so there would be a formal government in anarchist society but it would be directly democratic, like say the Athenian polis, the Zapatistan consultas in Chiapas or the neighborhood assemblies in contemporary argentina. This would prevent tyranical minoritarians ceasing power as effectively as any other system.


Basically you can pick and choose elements from anarchist philosophy - you don't need to subscribe all or nothing!

Tom


The Average Joe in the Bad Neighbourhood

24.08.2004 10:52

I'm sorry to burst some bubbles.

But some of us live in rough neighbourhoods. I'm not blaming anyone for this, but it is a fact that in the place I live crime is extremely high and the only thing keeping the juveniles from totally vandalising ever car, breaking into every house, harassing every pedestrian is the [infrequent!] police cars which patrol the estate.

Yes, it may be true that many of these kids are "victims of society", but won’t there be victims in any? Even under Anarchism, won’t there still be some who are worse off than others (i.e. The misfortune of a trying hard drugs and being addicted, molestered as a child by their parents and warping their views of the world, etc. . .). There are many people in jail we genuinely deserve to be there (rapists, sadistic killers, child molesters). These people wont go away just because of a change of government (or lack-of), even under Anarchism they'll have to be dealt with, which will most likely mean a prison; and who will decide if they're guilty (a jury of peers?), who will stand guard over them or rehabilitate them (a prison warden?). It seems that a hierarchy is inescapable.

I do however think that we should *question* all hierarchy’s (and not just accept them because we're told too). However, it must be noted that not all hierarchy’s are bad and some we should keep (prisoners and prison wardens).

Even Marx completely admitted that there were worse forms of society, Capitalism is after all significantly better than Slavery (if you question this, feel free to offer yourself to the Sudanese slave trade. I'm sure your opinion will change).

I believe that the government *doesn't* always act in the best interest of the people (John Major for example, after leaving politics is a member of the multi-billion dollar Caryle Group. Most politicians after leaving politics venture into the lucrative business world - why would they want to damage that?). Proportional representation, state funding for political campaigns, recall of MP's, abolition of corporate donations/large private donations, capping MP's pay during/after their term in office, and *many* other legislative methods can bring about a fairer system. I believe changing the law to give trade unions significantly more power and generally syndicalism would also help enormously in empowering the average person and making the system fairer.

George Monbiot doesn't support the concept of Anarchism, because he thinks that the strong/evil will always win over the weak (same argument as above article). He also thinks that a "proper" Marxist revolution will inevitably result in stagnation of thought and lead to a lack of democracy. It appears the solution is a mixture of both and I think to achieve this we shouldn't run around preaching "Revolution". Unless you can alleviate some of the concerns I’ve mentioned above I don’t think the average Joe will be all that keen on the concept of Anarchism (and these are genuine concerns people have!).

I’m pretty much firmly in the Noam Chomsky /Michael Albert camp – economy needs to be more democratic (only because it has so much influence over our lives) and question all hierarchies and those in power, but be aware that some are bona fide. A utilitarian view?

Joe


I agree with avocado

24.08.2004 11:48

It is obvious to everyone except an anarchist that anarchy
has one grievous, built-in flaw which invalidates the entire
theory of a stateless human existence. That flaw is the failure
of anarchists to recognize that, while exceptional anarchists
might be considerate of other humans and the natural world, most
people, by nature, are selfish, stupid, and deceptive much of the
time--and some are selfish, stupid and deceptive all of the time.
If such individuals see a chance to get "something for nothing",
most of them will seize the opportunity and damn the long-term
consequences of a moment's selfishness. They believe they can
"get away with it" and, unfortunately, they often do so.

pear


face 2 face debate @ the rampart

24.08.2004 11:56

You are all cordualy invited to the rampART dinner and debate on tuesday 24th august.

Doors open 7pm and dinner will be served shortly after
(donations of £1.50 for a meal would be appreciated)

At 8pm the debate will start with an opening address which introduces the structure of the evening as being somthing like this...

The motion to be debated will be read out and a volunteer sought to facilitate (or chair) the debate. The main speeches will then begin with somebody given a maximum of three minutes to speak in favour of the motion, followed by somebody who opposes the motion. This is will then be followed by anyone seconding, with those for the motion speaking first followed by the seconders against (again three minutes max).

The gloves are now off as the debate opens to the floor. Anyone may now speak either for or against the motion (apart from those who have already done so, unless directly quesioned). In order to be heard, anyone who wishes to speak raises their hand and waits for permission from the facilitator.

After being open to the floor for one hour, the facilitator will asks the initial opposers to give a one minute summary of why people should vote against the motion followed by the proposers with a one minute on why people should vote for the motion. Finally, a vote is organised with a show of hands and counted: those in favour of the motion, those against and those who have chosen to abstain.

The facilitator then announces the result and declares that the motion is either passed or defeated and then everyone jumps up to get to the bar first and gets quite drunk while continuing to argue their entrenched views with anyone who will listen or forms up into cliques of apparently likeminded individuals while some loud music is put on and time continues to pass in it's usual fashion totally unaffected by the evenings debate.

so, thats it.. please come along and voice your views.

The motion under debate will be something like 'Some form of government or leadership is essential' or 'Anarchy isn't all it's cracked up to be'

:-) enjoy

art


Noam and Mike.

24.08.2004 12:19

This is to reply to Joe, I havnt got time for this theoretical argument right now.

You say you are in the Noam Chomsky/ Michael Albert camp. Well maybe I should point out that both these men have proclaimed themselves in favour of anarchism in the past. Noam Chomsky, particularly has been interviewed and explained his idea that anarchism is certainly the ideal to which we should be striving. He also states that he is in no position to proclaim how an anarchist society might look, that is obviously a matter for the people to learn by doing. He has called himself an anarchist/libertarian socialist in past interview.bellow is a link to a good interview with noam chomsky on anarchism, certainly worth reading and something I find myself in agreement with. Anarchism is a set of principles, a vision of self rule and true consensus democracy. It is not a fixed, definate, doctrine nor a specific plan for 'how things should be', as anarchist principles would dictate that this must be decided by everyone, not just a few 'anarchists'.

 http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/interviews/9612-anarchism.html

Stu
- Homepage: http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/interviews/9612-anarchism.html


RE: Noam and Mike

24.08.2004 13:40

Stu, I am aware of that Chomsky and Albert have a long history of Anarchism! (I was debating on whether to point that out in my original post, with hindsight I should have). Not only are Michael Albert & Noam Chomsky writers for Zmag, they also appear to be good friends (they're collaborated on many projects).

But neither is a revolutionary, rather they're "reformist anarchists" against Primitivism and generally for Syndicalism. Thats the point I was trying to make. I'm sorry for confusion.

I have read Chomsky's work, I have some of his books (saw the film "Manufacturing Consent") and have listened to numerous interviews he's given. It was in Manufacturing Consent that he mentioned that all hierarchies should be "questioned", and I believe he made it quite clear that they shouldn't be removed for the sake of removing them. I also downloaded an interview in which he talked about reforming the World Bank and IMF. 30 years ago the bulk of financial transactions were made by "countries", now the bulk is made up by the private sector, he said that 90-something percent of all financial movement is purely speculative, i.e they dont know what they're doing, since the money move from one org to another and back again within a week without accruing any significant profit. The slightest wretchless mistake from these corporations can have devastating consequences on peoples lives (mortages, pensions, insurance, inflation, etc). Thats why he think these institutions should be put under democratic control. He could easily had said we should remove these institutions and that global financial markets are a bad thing and stopped - but he didn't.

I think Michael Alberts biography speaks quite well:

 http://www.zmag.org/albertbio.htm

Its a mishmash of Marxism and Anarchism. I definitely remember downloading a couple of audio files from "Unwelcolmed Guests" and from the "www.radio4all.org" (most of my Chomsky audio comes from here). In the Unwelcolmed Guest Show he was at an Anarchist book signing fair and talking about "Participatory Economics" and strongly hit out against people who advocate Revolution as a way of changing society. He couldn't see why people are so against reform, as if its a dirty word or if it means that your not as committed a person. I think its on this site, but the sites mp3's are down. I hope they're up again when you read this (surely I'm not the only one who listens to Michael Albert, any point to a mirror?):

 http://www.radio4all.org/unwelcome/archive76-100.html (show #82)

 http://www.radio4all.net/proginfo.php?id=2865 (show #49)

I think the following (last one I promise!) link will convey the message I'm trying to make:

 http://www.zmag.org/anardebate.htm

In a nutshell Anarchism isn't a "bad" theory, but it is very, very, *very* diverse one (ever heard of Anarcho-Capitalists? They don’t like governments either) you have to think about where stand on Anarchism and can't just say "Anarchism all good, Capitalism all bad", or vice versa.

Joe


'human nature' and all that

24.08.2004 17:02

Pear, your point on human nature is interesting. Certainly the most powerful rejection of anarchism is not that it is undesirable per se but that it is impossible in practice and thus should be rejected.

I assume some bearded philosopher has said this before, but to me 'human nature' as a concept is merely a diversity of potentialities (bit wordy that!). We have the potential for mutual aid and machievellian backstabbing, 'nurture' and 'the environment' (in a loose sense) dictate to a large extent which characteristics individuals exhibit - for example it is long established that school bullies were often bullied themselves. Observing contemporary capitalist society it is easy to conclude that Hobbes was right and we're all selfish little bastards. Look at an amazonian tribe, or a neolithic village however an a completley different culture is apparent. So we are not observing human nature, a first order phenomenon, but culture, a second order one - Human nature therefore neccessarily encompasses all these possibilities.

Thus the best we can hope to achieve is to create an environment most conducive to positive cooperative existence rather than the nastier Hobbesian/Machiavellian potentialities that are so apparent under contemporary capitalism. A good place to start is the monetary system - something anarchist would generally abolish, though this may be a oversimplified, if not completely reactionary approach. Consider this example:
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A strange man arrives in an isolated rural community consisting of 10 families. Each family farms for their needs and barters the surplus with others specialising more in other areas of production. The man observes the village folk franticly trying to capture chickens to trade for milk and chuckles to himself. He gathers the villagers round and explains his great invention. He requests the villagers bring him a large piece of leather and a knife, then he proceeds to cut 100 small discs from the leather which he signs. He gives 10 discs each to each of the 10 families in the community. He explains that rather than exchange the physical goods which have a tendency to fly off, the purchasing party can simply offer some leather discs in payment, and the seller can do the same when they need something off someone else. The villagers thank the man, since he has made their lives so much easier - for instance villagers no longer need to have goods each other want, the dairy farmer can acquire chicken even if the chicken farmer wants no milk. Before the man leaves, he imposes one condition - he will return in a year to collect 11 leather discs from each of the 10 families.
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The Man has intoduced interest/usury and has therefore ensured that some of the villagers must lose out as 100 discs exist and 110 must be repayed (ruling out counterfitting, the man's good at spotting fakes ok!?). This is the basis of the modern banking system - the only hope for the villagers to not turn on each other is to aquire discs as profit from a neighboring town the man has visited, thus condemning that village to bankruptcy/asset confiscation or to increase the population and convice the newcomers to take a loan fom the man - an impossible task in the medium term. Thus the intorduction of interest ensures the Hobbesian potentialities of self-preservation and competition displace the benevolent values of co-operation and mutual aid. The villagers can opt for a war of 'all against all' or a war between neighboring villages, but conflict there must be. The only way to postpone the inevitable conflict is by perpetual economic growth, which is economically, socially and ecologically unsustainable. Sound familiar?

None of this is the work of 'human nature' per se, in the example the very same people's behavior mutates from communistic to capitalistic purely as a result of an environmental change - the introduction of interest - something we take for granted in contemporary capitalist society without questioning its true socially divisive function.

Tom


what rubbish!

24.08.2004 18:28

"Anarchy is juvenile rebellion"

Actually, the only juvenile thing here is the
above article. Why do people who know nothing
about anarchism always feel the need to expose
their ignorance to the general public by writing
about something they obviously have not bothered
to read about?

for those interested in what anarchism stands for,
visit "An Anarchist FAQ" at:

 http://www.anarchistfaq.org

And if people are as selfish as some claim, then why
would they let a few people rip them off? Seems a tad
illogical to say that people are too selfish for
anarchism to work then argue that they are so unconcerned
about their own well being and freedom that they would
let others oppress and exploit them.

Please make your mind up!

PS "anarcho"-capitalism has nothing to do with anarchism.
It simply wants to privatise the functions of government
and turn the property owner into rulers.

Anarcho
- Homepage: http://www.anarchistfaq.org