If you love Cuba, you'll love venezeula
W | 13.08.2004 11:45 | European Social Forum | Venezuela | Globalisation
If the ESF wasn't bad enuff in trying to re-order what has largely been described as the 'anti-globalisation' movement into a sterile talking shop and recuitment ground for lenist/statist projects, the hype around Chavez seems to have given a boost to this old movement the same way that the Zapatista uprising gave to the anti-statist movements.
If the ESF wasn't bad enuff in trying to re-order what has largely been described as the 'anti-globalisation' movement into a sterile talking shop and recuitment ground for lenist/statist projects, the hype around Chavez seems to have given a boost to this old movement the same way that the Zapatista uprising gave to the anti-statist movements.
Looking at this collective histeria, and at the chavistas around the world you see the same corrupt politics of third worldism, anti-imperialism and leninism. This movement has grown because of the lack of critique given to it by anti-statists - it is after all the job of the chavistas to prove empirically that a state can be subverted. History shows different and for those who see power relations, vertical structures and representations as contridictory to human liberation have a wealth of experience and knowledge in criticism this bolshevik movement.
So lets get some things straight, ignoring the political bias of the left and right propaganda of chavez seen on indymedia, Chavez is a military man, head of a state and like all states seeks to monopolise life. Venezeula has a rising prison population, a secret service, an army, a police force, laws (if we reject all laws, then we are against them no matter 'how progressive they are') and the economy is a typical capitalist economy). The idea of representation also serves the interests of capitalism, a hierarchical system, and however US imperialism sees chavez - a leader, any leader is better than a self-organised revolutionary movement.
Again, lets anaylses the role of Chavez and his so-called progressive movement. During a times of social upheavel and growing mobilisation of peasants and working class, the statist system tries to recuperat this conflict by institutionalising social reforms - look at the poll tax movement in the UK and further back the immergence of the social democratic state. This is how the state and capitalism manage to control their grip on society - rarely by milititary force but other forms of social appeasement. Chavez himself has managed to been seen by many as the movement in government, a contridicory situation that always leads to the government in the movement - russian revolution anyone?!
But anyway the left has always defended the bolshevik take-over of movements (indeed that is its social role in capitalism - see ESF) and doesn't come as no surprise at it's excitement of Chavez.
So how can we see this situation developing? Well I think there will come a time, when people see chavez as a barrier to realising revolution and would want to go further. And it will be the army as well as the consensus that chavez has created over his presidency among the poor that anyone who is against chavez is sponsored by the US and the middle-classes (kronstadt anyone?!). This is already happening now in venezeula - rising prison populations and the work of the secret service (creating files on anti-cahvez dissents).
Finally, the hardcore support of chavez in the UK comes from those who also defend Cuba in the same way and where you see a clear divergence of the politics of people. If you seen states, cops, laws, prisons, wage labour as the enemy of human liberation then you will be seen as an enemy of the cuban regime and venezeualan regime and any other corput leftist/statist project. But if you love cuba, you'll love venezeula.
Some anarchist from the Occupied Social Centre, Tufnel Park, London
Looking at this collective histeria, and at the chavistas around the world you see the same corrupt politics of third worldism, anti-imperialism and leninism. This movement has grown because of the lack of critique given to it by anti-statists - it is after all the job of the chavistas to prove empirically that a state can be subverted. History shows different and for those who see power relations, vertical structures and representations as contridictory to human liberation have a wealth of experience and knowledge in criticism this bolshevik movement.
So lets get some things straight, ignoring the political bias of the left and right propaganda of chavez seen on indymedia, Chavez is a military man, head of a state and like all states seeks to monopolise life. Venezeula has a rising prison population, a secret service, an army, a police force, laws (if we reject all laws, then we are against them no matter 'how progressive they are') and the economy is a typical capitalist economy). The idea of representation also serves the interests of capitalism, a hierarchical system, and however US imperialism sees chavez - a leader, any leader is better than a self-organised revolutionary movement.
Again, lets anaylses the role of Chavez and his so-called progressive movement. During a times of social upheavel and growing mobilisation of peasants and working class, the statist system tries to recuperat this conflict by institutionalising social reforms - look at the poll tax movement in the UK and further back the immergence of the social democratic state. This is how the state and capitalism manage to control their grip on society - rarely by milititary force but other forms of social appeasement. Chavez himself has managed to been seen by many as the movement in government, a contridicory situation that always leads to the government in the movement - russian revolution anyone?!
But anyway the left has always defended the bolshevik take-over of movements (indeed that is its social role in capitalism - see ESF) and doesn't come as no surprise at it's excitement of Chavez.
So how can we see this situation developing? Well I think there will come a time, when people see chavez as a barrier to realising revolution and would want to go further. And it will be the army as well as the consensus that chavez has created over his presidency among the poor that anyone who is against chavez is sponsored by the US and the middle-classes (kronstadt anyone?!). This is already happening now in venezeula - rising prison populations and the work of the secret service (creating files on anti-cahvez dissents).
Finally, the hardcore support of chavez in the UK comes from those who also defend Cuba in the same way and where you see a clear divergence of the politics of people. If you seen states, cops, laws, prisons, wage labour as the enemy of human liberation then you will be seen as an enemy of the cuban regime and venezeualan regime and any other corput leftist/statist project. But if you love cuba, you'll love venezeula.
Some anarchist from the Occupied Social Centre, Tufnel Park, London
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so far Left you end up Right
13.08.2004 11:52
;-)
hmmm
13.08.2004 12:06
Moderate
haha
13.08.2004 12:32
Bolsheviks had the majority of support in most of the Soviets in 1917! Don't try and turn the Russian revolution into an anarchist revolution, SEIZED by those nasty authoritarian Bolsheviks..They made many mistakes, but at least they didn't give up and join the bourgeois government (cough...SPAIN...cough)
Ulyanov
Chavez+anarchism
13.08.2004 13:11
Firstly, in response to the original post: I entirely agree with you about Chavez (or any heirarchy/authority etc for that matter). He and his regime is statist and therefore extremely far from perfect. I also agree with you about the left histeria about Cuba/Venezuala. Niether is particularly good, the left just gets hyped about anything that PRONOUNCES itself to be revolutionary and anti-neoliberalism (and I would point out like you that their economy is normal capitalism, just a bit seperate from the traditional global order)
However, I do think the Chavez is better than the US/neoliberal backed opposition. They would institute a far bloodier and more oppressive dictatorship, like theyve done before. So I think that in this referendum we must oppose the US/elite alternative and this means displaying support for the Chavez government. This doesnt mean we cant continue to support and give real solidarity to any genuine peoples movements in Venezuala. I reckon as lives are at stake then simply washing our hands of the situation cos of its statist vs statist nature displays the exact opposite of the 'solidarity with the people' we claim to give.
And in response to the 'im not authoritarian i want social democry' comment. Yes you are authoritarian. You might not want the kinds of authority displayed by Burma or Saudi Arabia or USA, but your prefered system still relys upon a form of top down authority. If there are laws then there is authority! You may well support that for 'practical' reasons or whatever but you shouldnt claim it is not authoritarian. You beleive making the current system 'more democratic' would help matters, but do you not get that it is entrenched ideas of capital,economics and heirarchy that define policy, no matter how democratic you think yer system is. The guys at the top will still do what they believe is right to maintain the overall economic order. Personally, I think statements about being 'practical' and 'realistic' miss the point. You have a comitment to democracy? Why? I guess its because you think (like me) that 'the people' should have control of their own lives etc. So why not push for true peoples control, without heirarchy and authority? If it turns out that we cant realise those dreams yet, well achieve the best thing we can and then keep struggling (as mankind allways has). We simply do not know enough about human society and how we work to state a belief on what is or isnt realistic, we can simply adhere to the principles and goals we hold and do the best we can. And my principles and goals are non-hierarchy and anti-capitalism, whatever form that may take.
Stu.