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Animal Testing - Why ?

Journo | 19.07.2004 15:22

Animal Testing - why do they do it ?

I have been opposed to animal testing for some years although I don't really know why !

My views are in part driven by simple emotion, I don't want to see animals being hurt. This may well not be the most scientific way of approaching the subject but it works for me however when debating this issue recently with a friend he asked a question I was unable to answer.

"If all the testing done on animals doesn't work as the anti-vivisection community maintain and if this testing could be duplicated more efficiently with computer simulation and if this is combined with the cost and bad PR associated with the work I have to ask why would a commercial organisation carry out work that:

i) doesn't work
ii) could be done better by other means
iii) is expensive
iv) gives a bad public image

I was unable to answer him.

If the debate about animal testing is going to influence mainstream thinking there must be others who will raise this issue.

Journo

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some help..

19.07.2004 22:09

visit  http://www.vivisection-absurd.org.uk and read, read and read some more ... then when challenged you will have the answers.

tAz


Mostly bad

19.07.2004 22:26

I'd say mainstream thinking has already been influenced. Animal testing is now confined to a limited number of laboratories, and continuing protests ensure they remain limited, and that alternatives are continually worked on.

A quick search led to this page of links with some pro/anti views:  http://www.frame.org.uk/links/procontra.htm

Whether there really is any medical justification seems to come down a war of words/claims. The only certain thing is that vivisectionists have been responsible for the mal-treatment and unnecessary suffering of 1000s of animals, including using them even when alternatives would be justified, or for unnecessary experiments, and this overshadows the very few cases where animal testing might be beneficial.

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Money, money, money

20.07.2004 11:52

It all comes down to money. The pharmeceutical companies love animal experiments BECAUSE they are so unreliable. Their aim is to make as much money as possible - the best way to do so is to sell as many expensive drugs as possible whilst still keeping people as ill as possible - if everyone was healthy then they wouldn't be able to profit by peddling drugs. In fact, drugs which are addictive or produce side effects which require other drugs to be taken must be the most lucrative! Preventing people from getting ill in the first place, however, for example by promoting healthy eating, exercise, or cutting down on pollution - these things will not make any money so are avoided as much as possible. Our biggest killers - cancer and heart disease - are preventable in most cases with simple lifestyle changes, but instead pharmers continue to release more drugs to help people live a little longer with these conditions.

Animal experiments allow these companies to release whatever drugs they like - "It worked on hamsters and cats so we'll start giving it to humans" - whilst allowing them to get out of giving any compensation - "But we tested it on animals and it worked! It's not out fault!". This is what happened with thalidomide, for example. Or recently, a study showed that over 50% of antidepressents on the market are no more effective than placebos - so these people are taking drugs but getting no better, whilst the pharmeceuticals are making millions out of their condition. No doubt the antidepressents seemed to work on monkeys in cages! The monkeys must have told the scientists that they felt much more cheerful being confined to barren cages in isolation after being drugged up!

Similarly, even products that are shown to be harmful to lab animal can be released because "it might not harm humans!". According to recent animal experiments, gm food causes cancer and mobile phones cause brain tumours. But these products are owned by big powerful business and bring in a lot of money! The solution? Ingore the animal experiments - "Well, dogs in cages with phones strapped to their heads 24/7 aren't similar enough to humans to warrant trying to make mobiles safer or even warning the public not to use them too much; and mice fed lots of gm potatoes can tell us nothing about what gm will do to humans, so let's continue trying to push gm onto an unwilling public and keep telling them that there is no evidence that gm is harmful".

You see, there are very strong financial reasons for continuing with animal experiments.

Liz


US Pharmaceutical excuses. They want it both ways!

20.07.2004 14:14

Animal testing has been used as a defence by a major pharamceutical company in court in the US, I believe, along the lines of 'we only tested the drug out on animals so we didn't realise there would be side effects on humans". More info may be on the Vernon Coleman site.
I can't remeber the particular case ( there may have been several - anybody out there remember?

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Radio Programme 2nd August - hear online

21.07.2004 13:32

Ok its mainstream - BBC world service - it's a new doc called 'Pills, patients, Profits' . 2nd august. might be interesting.

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