Might I suggest something completely different. I think that we should try and get Father's for Justice to use IndyMedia as a method of reporting actions. They seem to have a good grasp of modern demonstration tactics, and while they may not be the most grassroots group, they have proven determination. And technically they are part of gender-liberation, as they are campaigning for equal rights to their children as from females, which can only really be a good thing, as it would break the stereotype of women as child carers. Perhaps I'm going off track...

This was posted on the bristol indymedia newswire,

Fathers 4 Justice happily represents those fathers who have been accused of Dommestic Violence, including those found guilty of DV, and also including those men that have kidnapped their children and disappeared, and those where there is good evidence to suggest they have assaulted their kids, and those who have abandoned their kids for lengths of time, then changed their mind.

Fathers 4 Justice make elaborate claims about all women being a big bunch of liars, and that women brainwash their children into claiming their dads have assaulted them. I've even heard supporters of Fathers 4 Justice claiming that rape is a victimless crime, and that the punishment of imprisonment is too harsh. Of course, as women are all liars, they don't actually believe that rape is a common crime, and see it as a rarity (they also see domestic violence as a rarity).

In fact, the Fathers 4 Justice campaign is being built on a pack of lies and false statistics.

SING:

Purple haze all in my brain
Lately things just don’t seem the same
Actin’ funny, but I don’t know why
’scuse me while I kiss Bush's ass
Purple haze all around
Don’t know if I’m comin’ up or down
Am I happy or in misery?
What ever it is, that powder put a spell on me
Help me
Help me

I wouldnt side myself with the hate mongering Fathers 4 Justice mob if my life depended on it.

I urge anyone who thinks that "they have a good point" to actually check them out. Check out their manifesto, their gripes, their supporters. Check out other sites and forums run by the "Men's Movement", UK, USA and Australia. Honestly, it will horrify you.

Where are all the real men? There are thousands and thousands of you about, good men with good ideas, responsible, clear and fair minds. We need you to start a real Movement, working with each other, with women, with young men, to stop rape, drug abuse and violence. To give up a little time every week to become some youngsters mentor, someone to talk to, play with, be a role model! To prove that being a man means a hell of a lot more than swilling beer while harassing some poor woman. To support young fathers so they dont run away from their kids. Real fathers with a real interest in their kids to support each other as fathers and to learn better ways of communicating with mothers and children. There are a billion things a real Men's Movement could be doing, all it requires are some decent men to start the ball rolling. Don't let these thugs talk for you!

And please dont let them harass us in your name.