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Poll shows most Iraqis want US to go

Cesar G. Soriano and Steven Komarow (reposted by Ian) | 29.04.2004 15:13 | Anti-militarism | World

Results of 2 new polls, one showing that the majority of Iraqis see the US as occupiers, not liberators, and want them to leave; the second showing that there is no longer a majority in the US supporting the occupation.

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Most Iraqis want U.S. out, poll shows
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By Cesar G. Soriano and Steven Komarow

BAGHDAD, Iraq — A solid majority of Iraqis support an immediate pullout of U.S. troops even in the face of greater danger, and only one in three now believe that the U.S.-led occupation is doing more good than harm, according to a new USA Today/CNN/Gallup Poll.

The nationwide survey, the most comprehensive look to date at Iraqi attitudes toward the occupation, was conducted in late March and early April, before current hostilities in Fallujah and Najaf. Nearly 3,500 Iraqis of every religious and ethnic group were included. The margin of error was plus or minus two percentage points.

The poll shows that most continue to say the hardships suffered to depose Saddam Hussein were worth it. Nearly half say they and their families are better off than they were under Saddam. A strong majority say they are more free to worship and to speak.

While they acknowledge those benefits, however, Iraqis no longer see the presence of the American-led military as a plus. Asked whether they view the coalition as "liberators" or "occupiers," 71 percent of all respondents say "occupiers."

That figure reaches 81 percent if the separatist, pro-U.S. Kurdish minority in northern Iraq is not included. About 97 percent of Kurds surveyed say the invasion did more good than harm, and their pro-U.S. stance is obvious on other issues. The negative characterization among other Iraqis is as high among Shiite Muslims, who were oppressed by Saddam, as it is among Sunnis, who embraced him.

A powerful indicator of the growing negative attitude toward the Americans is found in two related questions: 53 percent say they would feel less secure without the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq, but 57 percent say the foreign troops should leave anyway.

Interviews in Baghdad this week underscored the findings.

"I'm not ungrateful that they took away Saddam Hussein," said Salam Ahmed, 30, a Shiite businessman. "But the job is done. Thank you very much. See you later. Bye-bye.

"I would shoot ... right now."

Sabah Yeldo, a Christian who owns a liquor store, says American failures have left the capital with more crime and less-reliable services, including electricity. That is "making everybody look back and seriously consider having Saddam back again instead of the Americans."

Bearing the brunt of ill feeling: U.S. troops. They are viewed as uncaring, dangerous and lacking in respect for Iraq's people, religion and traditions.

The insurgents, by contrast, seem to be gaining broad acceptance, if not outright support. If Kurds, who make up about 13 percent of the poll, are taken out of the equation, more than half of Iraqis say killing U.S. troops can be justified in some cases. Attacks against U.S.-trained Iraqi police officers are strongly condemned.

The Bush administration portrays U.S. soldiers as liberators. But Iraqis see them as a threat, question their purpose and focus their anger on them.

"When they pass by on the street, we are curious, so we go out to look and they immediately point their gun at you," said Abbas Kadhum Muia, 24, who owns a bicycle shop in Sadr City, a Shiite slum of 2 million people that was strongly anti-Saddam and once friendly to Americans. "They don't care about other cars. They just hit cars on the road and keep going."

Except for the Kurds, such feelings are widely held. For example:

• Two-thirds say soldiers in the U.S.-led coalition make no attempt to keep ordinary Iraqis from being killed or wounded.

• Nearly 58 percent say soldiers conduct themselves badly or very badly.

• More than 60 percent say troops show disrespect for Iraqi people in searches of their homes, and 42 percent say U.S. forces have shown disrespect toward mosques.

• 46 percent say soldiers show a lack of respect for Iraqi women.

Overall, only 11 percent of Iraqis say coalition forces are trying hard to restore basic services such as electricity and clean drinking water.

The negative opinions of troop behavior rarely is based on direct contact. Instead, most Iraqis obtain their information from others. For about one-third, it's pan-Arabic television such as the al-Jazeera and al-Arabiya satellite news channels, which frequently show scenes of U.S. forces shooting into Iraqi neighborhoods. Few Iraqis trust Western networks.

More news is spread through that oldest delivery system: marketplace chatter. In the rumor mill, interviews indicate, every confrontation between Americans and Iraqis is portrayed as an assault on the Iraqi people.

The hostility reflected in the poll is a message the troops understand, said Marine Lance Cpl. Wes Monks of Springfield, Ore.

"They don't want us here," he said. "They want to rebuild their own country. We're trying to Americanize their life. You can't buy love."

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Split opinion on whether invasion was right thing to do
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WASHINGTON — Americans are evenly split on whether the invasion of Iraq was the right thing to do, a new poll shows.

Fewer than half, 47 percent, said taking military action in Iraq was the right thing to do, and about the same number, 46 percent, said the United States should have stayed out of the country, according to a CBS News-New York Times poll.

As recently as last month, 58 percent said the military action was right, and 37 percent said it was not. Six in 10 say the U.S. efforts in Iraq are going badly.

The poll of 1,042 adults was taken Friday through Tuesday and has a margin of error of plus or minus three percentage points.

Cesar G. Soriano and Steven Komarow (reposted by Ian)

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US OUT OF IRAQ

29.04.2004 15:53

For a democratic and united Iraq free from foreign influence.


-End the occupation

-Elections to form representative Iraqi government in a united Iraq

-No forced contracts, no privatisation, no bases without vote or referendum

-Compensation for the large destruction of people’s lives, property and cultural heritage caused by US and British forces

-Iraq’s debts written off not differed or rescheduled. Aid to help with reconstruction

-Iraqis be allowed to determine their own economic future

-Reconstruction process directed by the Iraqi people for the Iraqi people

-Iraqi resources for the Iraqi people

No excuses to delay hand over. For Iraq to be truly independent the clock is ticking and time is passing. Action as above will give Iraqis confidence and empower them to deal with any other issues.

Please visit:
 http://www.occupationwatch.org/index.php
 http://www.4iraqis.net/


Nadia


No chance

29.04.2004 16:43

There is absolutely no chance whatsover that the US is ever going to leave Iraq. Even a quick look at some of the equipment they are shipping proves that.

The US will pass control to an Iraqi council on June 30th, this council will have no real power. There will be a continuation of the fighting by former B'ath party members and foreign insurgents, this will continue until the present US and EU pressure on the Iranians cuts off their funding. More US soldiers will die but the amount will get less and less as the months go by as a consequence the mainstream media will stop reporting it.

The Multinationals who are carving up Iraq will continue to make their profits

THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP IT.

By all means keep posting to Indy Media, by all means keep having demos, by all means keep writing letters to Newspapers. It makes not a shred of difference.

The industrial-military society that is the USA is now the dominant force on this planet in a way that has never been seen before. Its cultural influence transends all other societies. Its military might is such that it will never lose another war ever again, its economy dominates the financial trading of everyone on this Earth.

When the Twin Towers were attacked the world changed for ever, Bush, Kerry it makes no difference the genie is out of the bottle.

The world will become American, when the Middle East is sucked dry of oil only two places on the planet will have meaningfull oil supplies Russia and the USA, Russia is already selling its oil to the US while the American pump less than 2% of their capacity each year.

Communism, Socialism, Stalinism, all the isms of the left and centre lost, American profit driven capitalism society won.

Welcome to the United States of the World.

Basil


A bulletin from the American Information Minister

29.04.2004 21:16


"There are no Iraqi infidels in Baghdad. Never!"

"My feelings - as usual - we will slaughter them all"

"Our initial assessment is that they will all die"

"I blame Al-Jazeera - they are marketing for the terrorists!"

"God will roast their stomachs in hell at the hands of Americans."

"They're coming to surrender or be burned in their tanks."

"No I am not scared, and neither should you be!"

"Be assured. Baghdad is safe, protected"

"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!"

"We are not afraid of the Iraqis. Jesus has condemned them. They are stupid. They are stupid" (dramatic pause) "and they are condemned."

"The Iraqis, they always depend on a method what I call ... stupid, silly. All I ask is check yourself. Do not in fact repeat their lies."

"I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, that they have started to commit suicide under the walls of Baghdad. We will encourage them to commit more suicides quickly."

"I can assure you that those villains will recognize, will discover in appropriate time in the future how stupid they are and how they are pretending things which have never taken place."

"We have destroyed 2 tanks, fighter planes, 2 helicopters and their shovels - We have driven them back."

"The authority of the civil defense ... issued a warning to the civilian population not to pick up any of those pencils because they are booby traps," he said, adding that the Sunni and Shia resistance were "immoral mercenaries" and "war criminals" for such behavior.
"I am not talking about the Sunni people and the Shia people," he said. "I am talking about those mercenaries. ... They have started throwing those pencils, but they are not pencils, they are booby traps to kill the children."

"We have them surrounded in their tanks"

"The foreign press is all about lies! All they tell is lies, lies and more lies!"

"I have detailed information about the situation...which completely proves that what they allege are illusions . . . They lie every day."

"Lying is forbidden in America. President George Bush will tolerate nothing but truthfulness as he is a man of great honor and integrity. Everyone is encouraged to speak freely of the truths evidenced in their eyes and hearts."

"Now even the Iraqi command is under siege. We are hitting it from the north, east, south and west. We chase them here and they chase us there. But at the end we are the people who are laying siege to them. And it is not them who are besieging us."

"Thank you very much! Goodnight!"

Comical Ollie