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Ten questions for zionists!

Prajña | 29.04.2004 09:32

Here are ten questions posed by JEWS AGAINST ZIONISM (www.jewsagainstzionism.com/tenquestions.htm) to the zionists. I think you will find them enlightening...

TEN QUESTIONS TO THE ZIONISTS

From Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L
Dean of Nitra Yeshiva



IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that:
a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and

b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and

c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.

IS IT TRUE that the Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.

IS IT TRUE that the answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments:
a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees.

b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war.

c) No ransom will be paid

IS IT TRUE that this response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.

IS IT TRUE that in 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved.
IS IT TRUE that the same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).

IS IT TRUE that during the height of the killings in the war, 270 Members of the British Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany.

IS IT TRUE that this offer was rejected by the Zionist leaders with the observation "Only to Palestine!"

IS IT TRUE that the British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed.

IS IT TRUE that during the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weitzman, the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important". Weitzman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe".


There are additional similar questions to be asked of these atheist degenerates known as "Jewish statesmen", but for the time being let them respond to the ten questions.

These Zionist "statesmen" with their great foresight, sought to bring an end two two-thousand years of Divinely ordained Jewish subservience and political tractability. With their offensive militancy, they fanned the fires of anti-Semitism in Europe, and succeeded in forging a bond of Jew-hatred between Nazi-Germany and the surrounding countries.


These are the "statesmen" who organized the irresponsible boycott against Germany in 1933. This boycott hurt Germany like a fly attacking an elephant - but it brought calamity upon the Jews of Europe. At a time when America and England were at peace with the mad-dog Hitler, the Zionist "statesmen" forsook the only plausible method of political amenability; and with their boycott incensed the leader of Germany to a frenzy. And then, after the bitterest episode in Jewish history, these Zionist "statesmen" lured the broken refugees in the DP camps to remain in hunger and deprivation, and to refuse relocation to any place but Palestine; only for the purpose of building their State.

The Zionist "statesmen" have incited and continue to incite an embittered Jewish youth to futile wars against world powers like England, and against masses of hundreds of millions of Arabs.


AND THESE SAME ZIONIST "STATESMEN" HEEDLESSLY PUSH THE WORLD TO THE BRINK OF ANOTHER TOTAL WAR - REVOLVING ENTIRELY AROUND THE HOLY LAND.


What may befall the Jewish inhabitants of Palestine, of the Arab crescent, Europe, or the USA; is of no concern to these Zionist leaders. The rising anti-Semitism in the Western World is the product of their "statesmanship".


Under the guise of "love of Israel", the Zionist "statesmen" seduced many Jews to replace devotion to the Torah and its Sages with devotion to the scoundrel who founded Zionism. It is of no little significance that Herzl originally sought conversion of the Jews as a solution to the problems of the Diaspora. When he realized that this was not acceptable to the Jewish masses, he contrived Zionism as a satisfactory alternative!


A look into history reveals that this very same type of "statesmen" opposed the call of Jeremiah the prophet to yield to the minions of Nebuchadnezzar at the destruction of the first Temple. Five centuries later, Rabbi Yochonon Ben Zakai appealed to the people to surrender to Titus the Roman to avoid bloodshed. The "statesmen" rejected this appeal, and the second Temple was destroyed by the Romans. --- And now for the past fifty years, the Zionist "statesmen" rebuff the leadership of our Sages; and continue in their policy of fomenting anti-Semitism. When will they stop?? Must every Jew in America also suffer?? - Even the Nazi monsters had more sense, and gave up their war before all Germany was destroyed. The Zionist "statesmen" ridicule the sacred oath which the Creator placed upon the Jews in the Diaspora. Our Torah, in Tractate Ksubos, folio 111, specifies that the Creator, blessed be He, swore the Jews not to occupy the Holy Land by force, even if it appears that they have the force to do so; and not rebel against the Nations. And the Creator warned that if His oath be desecrated, Jewish flesh would be "open property", like the animals in the forest!! These are words of our Torah; and these concepts have been cited in Maimonides' "Igeres Teimon", "Be'er HaGola", "Ahavas Yehonosson", and in "Toras Moshe" of the Chasam Sofer.


IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT ALL THE SAGES AND SAINTS IN EUROPE AT THE TIME OF HITLER'S RISE DECLARED THAT HE WAS A MESSENGER OF DIVINE WRATH, SENT TO CHASTEN THE JEWS BECAUSE OF THE BITTER APOSTASY OF ZIONISM AGAINST THE BELIEF IN THE EVENTUAL MESSIANIC REDEMPTION.


Yidden - merciful sons of merciful fathers - how much longer must holy Jewish blood continue to be shed??

The only solution is:

The Jewish people must reject, outright, a "Jewish State".

The Jewish people should accept the US compromise.

We must depose the atheist-Zionist "statesmen" from their role as Jewish leaders, and return to the faithful leadership of our sages.


We beseech the Nations to open all doors to immigration - not only the doors of Palestine.

Peaceful, non-Zionist religious personalities in Palestine, (particularly from the native population) and their counterparts in the Diaspora, should engage in responsible, face-to face negotiations on behalf of the Jewish people, with the British and the Arabs; with an aim of amicable settlement of the Palestine issue.



Every Jew is obliged to pray to the Blessed creator, for in Him lies all our strength. Let us bear in mind that our prayers be forthright. One should not entreat the Creator to provide a banquet on Yom Kippur, and one can not perform a ritual ablution with a dead bug in his hand. Similarly, we should avoid the untenable position of the robber who prays for Divine help in carrying out his crime. We should pray that Zionism and its fruits vanish from the Earth, and that we be redeemed by the Messiah with dispatch.


A prisoner is released only when he has served his time, or if he is pardoned by the President for good behavior. If he attempts escape and is apprehended, his term is lengthened, besides the beating he receives when he is caught.

Faithful Jews- for over three and one-half thousand years, in all parts of the world, through all trials, our grandfathers and grandmothers marched through seas of blood and tears in order to keep the Faith of the Torah unswervingly. If we have compassion for ourselves, for our women and children, and for the Jewish people, we will maintain our golden legacy today. We have been sentenced to exile by the King of Kings because of our sins. The eternal blessed be He, has decreed that we accept the exile with humble gratitude until the time comes, or until we merit His pardon through repentance if we seek to end the exile with force, G-d will catch us, as our sages have forewarned, and our sentence becomes longer and more difficult.


Many times in the past have segments of our people been defrauded by false messiahs - but none of the false messiahs has been as fallacious and delusory as the lie of Zionism. With our historical experience as our guide, no retribution has been or will be greater than the retribution for giving credence to Zionism. If we wish our exile-sentence commuted, we must appeal through repentance; and through total physical and spiritual observance of the Sabbath, laws of family purity, and study of Torah.


Let it be clearly understood that never in Jewish history (even in the time of Jeroboam or Achav) have such hostile atheists stood at the helm of the Jewish people as today.


How can we plead to the Almighty for mercy while we tolerate these vile, "wicked" leaders as spokesmen! Beloved brothers - let us cleanse our ranks and cleanse our midst; let us entreat the Almighty through prayer, repentance, and fulfillment of mitzvos that He alone redeem us, immediately.

Prajña
- Homepage: http://www.DeclarePeace.org.uk

Comments

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Hold on a minute...

29.04.2004 09:54

Starting an argument against Zionism with claims about offers made by the Gestapo is perverse. The Nazis may well have made one offer or another - this is hardly the point. The Jews had as much right to stay in Europe as the Palestinians do to return to Palestine.

Blossom


THE NEW PROTOCOLS

29.04.2004 10:07

IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo...

NO! The Gestapo said a lot of things. Then bashed babies heads out on walls and ripped the gold teeth out of corpses' heads. How would this even have been possible? No European Jew would want to return to the ancient Jewish homeland? Placing strict terms on a mass evacuation of that many people is a feasible thing? Ransom - nonsense.

IS IT TRUE that the Zionist leaders in Switzerland

NO! - 'on the clear understanding', uh-huh - The Mufti wanted to continue the holocaust in the Middle East, and was co-ordinating Arab mobs in attacks on Jewish civilians - so a great partner for 'understanding'.

IS IT TRUE that the answer of the Zionist leaders was negative

NO! How can you have a negative answer to a question that was never posed? This putative offer is a myth - but I suppose if a Jewish leader had waved it around at the gates of Auschwitz and said 'I have in my hand a piece of paper', you'd be happy. Nothing would have changed, but you'd be happy.

IS IT TRUE that this response to the Gestapo's offer ... gas chamber.

NO! Alternative was the gas chamber? All of this is a modern 'protocols', laden with hatred and without a speck of proof! It doesn't even stand up to the most basic standards of logic! You assume Zionist leaders had complete and automatic control over everyone, and that no Jew in Europe had any free will!

IS IT TRUE that in 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations

NO! Even if it had, who would have listened to a regime in which millions were told they were on trains to safe destinations, and that 'it's only a shower?'

IS IT TRUE that the same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer

NO! See above - what a cretinous question.

IS IT TRUE that during the height of the killings in the war...

NO! Only 270 of all MPs? A mere proposal isn't much good to anyone - but, as you're aware, a lot of people proposed a lot of things - the fact is a large number of Jews chose to return to their homeland, land that Jews had lived in for centuries and centuries and centuries, long before the Arab occupation of the land.

IS IT TRUE that this offer was rejected by the Zionist leaders

NO! There was nothing to reject - but anyway, Jews had a right to return to their homeland

IS IT TRUE that the British government granted visas to 300 rabbis...

NO! Why assume Jews didn't have a right to return to their homeland? Suggesting 'Jewish Agency' leaders ordered or allowed people to be gassed is a grotesque libel.

IS IT TRUE that during the course of the negotiations mentioned above...

NO! Is it true Martin Luther King was a Zionist, and that Yasser Arafat wears women's underwear?

secular jew


to "secular jew"

29.04.2004 10:22

Well this is quoted from Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L, Dean of Nitra Yeshiva and I published the web URL (www.jewsagainstzionism.com/tenquestions.htm) so this "grotesque libel", if that is what it is, comes from an interesting source. Perhaps you should take the matter up with Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L and the Zews Against Zionism. They seem to believe that Zionism is in direct opposition to the teachings of the Torah and quote from it to back their assertions.

Prajña
- Homepage: http://www.DeclarePeace.org.uk


Assumptions...

29.04.2004 10:55

I don't doubt that Zionists tried to negotiate with Nazis for the lives of their families, their friends, their people - unsuccessfully.

The source of these 'New Protocols' is irrelevant. The rabbi is being 'economical with the actualité' because he believes he has religious authority to deny the Jewish people the right of return to their ancient homeland in Israel. Many Jews disagree with him. He clearly despises Jews that disagree with him more than he has disgust for Nazis, at which I can only shake my head in sadness.

Some assumptions of these 10 questions:

1) That the Nazis offered several genuine amnesties, in good faith, and didn't really want to exterminate Jews - just to relocate them.

2) That the Nazis were willing and able to guarantee safe passage for Jewish migrants

3) That the Nazis were willing for Jews to relocate to anywhere outside Europe - EXCEPT for the Jewish homeland!

and the real betrayer of motive:

4) That the Jewish people did not deserve the same rights as other peoples - viz., self determination, a Jewish state in the land their ancestors had called home for centuries and centuries.

None of these assumptions are valid - and, unsurprisingly, neither are the questions they're based on.

secular jew


HMMMM????

29.04.2004 12:00

Arguing about Nazi's and obscure Rabbis is missing the point. Israel is an established state and is not going anywhere whether people like it or not. It does not, however, have a right to occupy the West Bank and Gaza. It follows logically that if the Jes have a right to conntry then so do the Palestnians, they were after all promised one by the British who funnily enough promised the Zionists. The Zionism we see today is very different to the Zionism of the past, it has like any ideology been corrupted by those seeking power. These obscure Rabbis may discount Zionism now, but when the Messaih comes they will see no problem in resettling Judea and Samaria at the expense of the Palestinian population. It is not anti-Zionism it is delayed Zionism in their minds.

It is too easy to hide behind religious and ideolgical arguments which obscure, shadow and hide the truth of the moment. The truth that there is a violent and oppresive occupation of the Palestinains by the Israelis [that not all Jews I hasten to add]. That peoples human rihgts are being erased on a delay basis, that their land and livlihoods are being stiolen from them, that they are boing forced to live in huge prisons i.e. the Gazza Strip and that children are bieng shot and women beaten [while protesting peacfully the stealing of their land - the beating of women also includes the beating of Israeli female peace activists it might be important to point out].

jewessagainsttehoccupation


reactionary rabbis

29.04.2004 12:22

there's a few ultra-orthodox jews who are against "zionism" as they call it because they believe that in contravenes jewish religious tenets. well, they're just a bunch of fanatics and zealots and in israel itself they're unpopular because they think they live in the eighteenth century.
it's interesting who these left wiong anti-zionist allways know how to teem up with the most reactionary people, like these obscure rabbis

gabriel


Wel, well, well...

29.04.2004 12:50

jewessagainsttehoccupation, thanks for your comment - it seems balanced to me. I didn't post this article in order to suggest that Zews Against Zionism are right in their belief that there should be no Jewish state; I am not a Jew and hold no particular view on the rightness or wrongness of Israel. I do hold strong views (as you appear to) on the obscenity of violence happening in Israel and Palastine and it does appear to me that whatever issue of violence and intimidation you poke these days you find a Zionist hiding behind it.

There may well be Zionists who promote the idea of a Jewish state through peaceful means but if that is the case they are poorly represented since Zionism seems generally to be advanced through violent and oppressive means - making it appear to be a form of violent extremism.

gabriel appears to be as reactionary as those he criticises. For myself, I prefer the eighteenth century attitude to one that promotes violence and oppression.

Prajña
- Homepage: http://www.DeclarePeace.org.uk


'Jews not Zionists' are mad

29.04.2004 17:07

'Jews not Zionists' are wierd religous freaks. Their site is insanely pro-Hitler and pro-Nazi, and they explicitly claim that Hitler was 'provoked' by 'the Zionists', and blame Jews for the genocide against them. Hitler may have proposed the odd 'transfer' offer, but he meant none of them. His explicit goal was the extermination of the Jews. The Jews who left Germany in the 30s (encouraged to leave by the Nazis, and in fear of their lives) were merely picked up again when the Nazis conquered the countries they fled to and shipped off to the gas chambers. Why the hell does the left now seem to what Jews to have negotiated with THE NAZIS!??!?!?!

fdhf


'Jews not Zionists' are mad

29.04.2004 17:07

'Jews not Zionists' are wierd religous freaks. Their site is insanely pro-Hitler and pro-Nazi, and they explicitly claim that Hitler was 'provoked' by 'the Zionists', and blame Jews for the genocide against them. Hitler may have proposed the odd 'transfer' offer, but he meant none of them. His explicit goal was the extermination of the Jews. The Jews who left Germany in the 30s (encouraged to leave by the Nazis, and in fear of their lives) were merely picked up again when the Nazis conquered the countries they fled to and shipped off to the gas chambers. Why the hell does the left now seem to what Jews to have negotiated with THE NAZIS!??!?!?!

fdhf


fdhf

29.04.2004 21:03

It makes sense in Islamist land.

Jews are Nazis...
The holocaust was the fault of Jews...
Jews are the sons of monkeys and pigs, the Qu'ran says so...
Jews control the world...
Jews cook with the blood of babies...
Jews are the reason no Muslim comedians are even remotely funny...

OK, I made the last one up. But the rest are all things Muslims have genuinely said to me. Ask them why, and it usually boils down to 'because they're Jews'. It's been repeated to them so often they're 100% sure it's true.



Michael R


What's your agenda?

29.04.2004 22:53

Hey fdhf, where do you get the idea that 'Jews not Zionists' are insanely pro-Hitler and pro-Nazi? I don't see any evidence of it on  http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com. They certainly seem pretty religious but their assertion that Zionism is driving anti-semitism seems to be a pretty rational observation given the situation in the occupied territories, the strong Zionist presence in the Neoconservative cult driving American belligerance and Likudnic policies.

Unsupported assertions will get you nowhere.

Prajña
- Homepage: http://www.DeclarePeace.org.uk


YOUR agenda is all too clear...

30.04.2004 00:22

Prajña, this group, and the late wacky rabbi, clearly have a very high opinion of the Nazis. He clearly believes the Nazis were trustworthy, or else why emphasis on 'deals' offered and supposedly refused?

However - they are clearly not Nazi worshippers or Hitler idolisers - therefore marking themselves as separate from a great Palestinian tradition (they bestowed on Hitler the honorific name Abu Ali)

I don't believe the rabbi's intention was to present a grotesquely laudatory view of the Nazis, as unfortunte 'accidental' or 'unwilling' perpetrators of genocide, goaded into killing millions of people by the actions of the cruel Jewish lizard masters - but that's what he's saying, and it's both preposterous and sadistic on a monumental scale, an insult to everyone - Jews, communists, homosexuals, gysies, the disabled - who died at the hands of the Nazis.

What disturbs me about groups like this is:
1) They are so fanatical they're willing to go to any moral depth to discredit Israel, to peddle any filth, to tell any number of lies
2) They are used by Islamists and neo-nazis as 'shields' against charges of Jew-hatred
3) They have no evidence for their claims but the same old recycled and discredited racist spittle that anti-Israel groups have been peddling, along with the Protocols, for years.

sec-j


Agenda benda

30.04.2004 08:16

Well, it certainly seems from my reading of the site ( http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com) that they are at pains to distinguish between Zionists and what they describe as "Torah-True Jews". The charge you made earlier that they are religious nuts may well be valid but they appear, on face value, to be considerably less extreme in their views (certainly they offer more substantial arguments) than those who have been misrepresenting them in this forum.

As an example, sec-j, if your first sentence is referring to me rather than addressing me then you dishonour me by misrepresenting and misinterpreting what I have written. In your first paragraph you contradict your second and third paragraph: do you believe that they "clearly have a very high opinion of the Nazis" or that they are "clearly not Nazi worshippers or Hitler idolisers"? Clearly you are not very clear about what you clearly believe.

As to your bullet points, simply exchanging protagonist and antagonist would shed light on your position.

Prajña
- Homepage: http://www.DeclarePeace.org.uk


Spelling it out

30.04.2004 11:30

Prajña, you have had rather a struggle, haven't you? It was quite straightforward, but I clearly need to clearly explain very c-l-e-a-r-l-y for your benefit.

1) The rabbi has a high opinion of the Nazis. This is demonstrated by the text in question.

2) I do not believe he is a Nazi worshipper, even though he has a high opinion of the Nazis.

This is because his agenda is his hatred of Zionists, not his love of Nazis. Many anti-Israel groups are motivated by the reverse.

I didn't contradict myself, you just needed to think a little more CLEARLY than you did.

Do you understand now? I can't see how I can make it any more simple.

sec-j