hello chaps,

erm ...us brits aren't nazis , er ....honest...

er please dont put us into any nasty horrible war crimes tribunals

pleeeeeese?




TOO LATE MOTHERFUCKERS...


no amount of posturing will save the way Blair Hoon and the rest
have put the forces into iraq
no one HAD to go

You made the choice and believed the patriotic rhetoric...

"i was only following orders"

DOES NOT WASH


IN THIS CENTURY...

"They may well kill the terrorists in the barrage, but they will also kill and maim innocent civilians. That has been their response on a number of occasions. It is trite, but American troops do shoot first and ask questions later."

from the same article

Reasoning backwards is dangerous, rarely valid. Apparently these products of "public" school and Sandhurst imagine Americans "play cricket". Perhaps if THEY were respnding with "disproportional force" it would mean that they regarded the recipients of that force as subhuman "others". That may be or not be for them but the reality is that it does NOT mean that for Americans.

Americans use whatever force is at hand. We do not "play fair" and have no games like your cricket "without referrees". This has NOTHING to do with the Iraqis being "other". We respond this way to our own. Some mentally deranged person out there waving a knife and crying, won't put it down when the cops say "drop it!" -- they don't use their batons, they donw' HAVE to take any risks because they have an "excuse" -- they use their guns instead. And in spite of what you may have been told this is not specifically racial (except perhaps in statistsics). A mentally ill white person can get blown away in a Vermont church just as quickly as a black person in the inner city.

There is some REGIONAL difference, differences in mores. In Vermont, this got a bunch of people upset. In Texas, for example, it wouldn't. The point I am trying to make is that anybody who expects other than an "available force" response from Americans does NOT understand this culture. It has no implications of disprespect for the target of that force. It is VERY dangerous for those, who because they know that we here do NOT consider them "subhuam others", to assume that push come to shove and they were fighting us, they would not receive the same treatment.

That's all very well, but the Jews that Hitler killed were also Germans. 'Available force' is a little too close to 'final solution.' I personally hope we don't reach that point this time.

mike...

all you have proven by writing that meaningless drivel is the stereotype held by many Cricketers over here: that all Americans are total and utter wankers with no brains whatsoever, who think carpetbombing third-world countries and slaughtering tens of thousands of civilians (just so a few multinationals can 'play ball' in the middle east) is totally valid, but are too thick to even express it sensibly in a paragraph as they can't remember exactly what it was Fox News told them to think.

FUCK OFF AND DIE YOU CRETIN!!

Well as a fellow american, I can just say tht I agree that the americans in iraq are indeed nazis, and using gunships, ac130s and aerial bombing raids on civilian areas just shows what pussies the infantry are. One day America will be knocked into submission on the world stage, and well I guess we'll be complaining about Chinese atrocities at that point.

That was a stupid offensive Bullshit reply to a very educational comment from the USA. If the URL to the source had been followed up you might also have found why there were so many Brits killed by friendly fire (and anyone have suicide statistics for UK troops compared with US troops in Iraq?):


"The officer explained that, under British military rules of war, British troops would never be given clearance to carry out attacks similar to those being conducted by the US military, in which helicopter gunships have been used on targets in urban areas.

British rules of engagement only allow troops to open fire when attacked, using the minimum force necessary and only at identified targets. The American approach was markedly different, the officer said.

"When US troops are attacked with mortars in Baghdad, they use mortar-locating radar to find the firing point and then attack the general area with artillery, even though the area they are attacking may be in the middle of a densely populated residential area.

"They may well kill the terrorists in the barrage, but they will also kill and maim innocent civilians. That has been their response on a number of occasions. It is trite, but American troops do shoot first and ask questions later."

The officer believed America had now lost the military initiative in Iraq, and it could only be regained with carefully planned, precision attacks against the insurgents.

"The US will have to abandon the sledgehammer-to-crack-a-nut approach - it has failed," he said.

"They need to stop viewing every Iraqi, every Arab as the enemy and attempt to win the hearts and minds of the people."

- Telegraph

I have read the eyewitness acount at
 http://blog.newstandardnews.net/iraqdispatches/archives/000162.html#more
IMHO what comes next is a blitzcreig that will raize the city.
This attempt to teach those who killed the Blackwater mercenaries a lesson will fail, as will the entire USUK attack.
The natives will keep fighting until the foreign attackers leave or are killed.
More "terrorists" will be created than was ever dreamt of by any Carlyle arms saleman.
So in their world view the invasion will be a success that produces "war without end"

because the piece seems to be saying that British troops would never do anything nasty...
not like those uncouth yanks

i was being sarcastic at the beginning of my post...

like i am now...

"oh no...British soldiers are never UNCOUTH...
we never kick the shit out of suspects...
after all that is just a national pastime
EVERYONE DOES THAT ON THE WEEKEND!!!!"


 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/21/iraq/main554998.shtml
Tim Collins- what a nice chap....eh?

The Sun newspaper said charges against Collins include accusations that he punched, kicked and threatened prisoners to get information, that he fired shots at the ground near the feet of Iraqi civilians to intimidate them, and that he allegedly hit a civic leader with the butt of a pistol.

The Evening Standard newspaper said the complaints were made by U.S. reservists who came under Collins' command in Iraq. The newspaper quoted unidentified witnesses who said the American soldiers were angry about the severe discipline imposed on them by Collins, who is known for his blunt and direct leadership style.


oh he was found not guilty and honored by the head nazi herself
the queen...

or try this on for size...

"... the British military’s use of cluster bombs could constitute a war crime because of their effect on the civilian population. The tiny bomblets scatter over a wide area. British aircraft had dropped 70 cluster bombs and its military fired 2,000 cluster shells in Iraq during the course of the war. The US and Britain had used a total of 13, 000 cluster bombs in Iraq, killing or injuring more than 1,000 civilians, according to Human Rights Watch.

The ICC should also investigate British complicity in the killings of international journalists by US forces, the panel said, pointing to US attacks on Al Jazeera’s news offices in Baghdad and on the Palestine hotel in Baghdad, where journalists were staying."

 http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jan2004/war-j24.shtml
 http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=3&art_id=qw107464392161B262&set_id=1



Soldiers Fear They're Acting Illegally
British soldiers fear they could be acting illegally while serving in Iraq and could face war crimes charges at the International Criminal Court. Their fears are exacerbated by the row in Britain over whether or not the government exaggerated the threat from Saddam Hussein to persuade the nation to support military action.

Soldiers believe that if the government did lie, or misrepresent the case for war, then the occupation and any actions taken by serving soldiers in the Gulf would be illegal and could leave them open to prosecution.

British officers and squaddies are concerned that there are no clear rules of engagement for dealing with civilians and that firing on civilian rioters could see them charged with war crimes. Last week, six British soldiers were killed in Majar al-Kabir by Iraqi rioters after using baton rounds to defend themselves.

A senior military source told the Sunday Herald that British operations in Iraq were a grey area which has not been cleared up to the Army's satisfaction.
 http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/attack/law/2003/0629soldiers.htm

Ha ha ha! The American mind - surely an oxymoron. I never thought I'd find myself agreeing with a "Senior British Army Officer", but lets face it, you've only got to look at the shape of their hats. The coal scuttle pattern is a dead give away.

Ein volk, ein reich, ein president

Hypocrites in the worst way......is anyone falling for this phoney portrayal of 'our boys and girls'? For F's sake, we weren't born yesterday.....even a BBC documentary on UK coverage of the Iraq invasion mentioned that the media were instructed to show UK soldiers in a holier-than-thou light at all times....not brandishing weapons etc.

Soldiers are soldiers are soldiers are soldiers....trained to kill, no thoughts of their own, following orders of the worst kind....message to the British officers - spare us this crap. People in glass houses and all that..