Let's not try and keep up the pretence of this being some sort of "Iraqi Resistance". These fighters are just the last elements of the old regime and foreign mercenries brainwashed by religious fervour.

Some of the comments on IM about these people are just beyond belief, are you really that blinkered ?

no...THIS is blinkered...


from:

 http://www.grunt.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12817

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Once again I say...nuke 'em 'till they glow!

"Retreat,Hell! We just got here!"
Capt Lloyd Williams


and

I'll be damned! Even Kissinger, who's been so critical of Bush and the events in Iraq is chiming in. He just said on FoxNews, first the people who were shown on camera doing the atrocities should be caught and punished. Secondly, there needs to be some form of retaliation on the town of Fallujah. We should show that we will NOT tolerate this kind of action twoards our troops.

Well, hallelujah - fry Fallujah.
usmcholmans




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one quick question...

WHY ARE SHARON AND BLAIR MEETING BUSH THIS WEEK?
WHY IS CHENEY ...[THE REAL US PRESIDENT] IN JAPAN?

Yes of course Captain what was I thinking, by providing a link to an extreme website full of nutters you have proved your argument 100%

Prat

Let us be honest here most of these Arabs are incapable of organisng a stable democracy without Western help. If it wasn't for the oil then we could safely ignore them and their women hating religion however once again it has fallen to the Western powers to sort out the area and bring stability.

So what if it requires a permanent deployment of troops in the area. A price well worth paying. We have overwhelming military superiority and I say we use it to quell any disent.

i never used it to prove anything - it's just an example of the attitude
that exists...
it's scary shit and its mainstream...

all I wanted to do was posit a theory
that certain situations are being STEERED

it might be a theory

if you don't like it

go read about

'how great our boys are doing
in the hard desert against
nasty arabs in the sun'

or something...
if you feel so strongly for the armed forces
why not write to Geoff Hoon and ask him
why the troops aint got no stuff to 'defend freedom' with...

and why the coalition forces feel the need to
to seal off and then
drop 500 pound bombs
on towns as revenge, ...

or perhaps you will just call me a name again...doh!!!

[while i'm at it folks - read col Sam Gardiners -
The truth from these podia...]
 http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/whispers/documents/truth_1.pdf

now THIS is interesting stuff...

happy Easter , baby killers...

more truth

 http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/whispers/documents/truth_1.pdf
 http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/whispers/documents/truth_2.pdf
 http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/whispers/documents/truth_3.pdf
 http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/whispers/documents/truth_4.pdf
 http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/whispers/documents/truth_5.pdf
 http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/whispers/documents/truth_6.pdf

Happy Easter ...neo chriatian imperialist fascist serial Child abusers

I remember sitting on the Nicaraguan border with Costa Rica , listening to the World service on my little sw trannie the news told me that Nicaragua was invading Costa rica accross that very same border.
If I remember rightly it was 1988.
In reality Nicaragua had pulled back 7 kilometres from the border , we were on foot and weren't allowed to board San Jose Managua bus so we walked into Nicaragua there was no sign of the Military or border guards but some was firing high velocity rounds they came from the Costa Rica side and screamed through the forest canopy high above our heads. After a few Kilometres we were picked up by a Nica courtesy bus that took us to the nearest town free of charge. The bullets were no doubt fired by the "official opposition" forces the contras a
bunch argentinian murders run by the CIA.
To the yankkkee apologist poster, the reason that the Arabs can't get their shit together is due to 2000 years of western fuckery very similar to that in Central america, South America the Caribbean , Pacific and as you know the U:S A iis fucking with almost every region in the world and I gues the Iraqies are bearing the brunt of this
one thing all these places have in common , civilians are the ones who are suffering the most woman and children and old folks all dying cos scum yankkkee scum can run around in an SUV ect ect

There is no resistance, they're just celebrating liberation with gunfire.

War is peace.

Bombing is liberation.

Depleted Uranium is good for you!

Unexploded cluster bombs make good pets.

Armed Iraqis roaming the streets of Iraq is 'anarchy, disorder, chaos'

Armed Americans roaming the streets of Iraq is 'peace, stability, liberation'

Hell, the Iraqi infrastructure is nearly back to sanctions levels!

There's gonna be civil war! I mean look at all those Iraqis shooting at each other and not at the Americans!


Remember the Iraqi Information Minister?? Well, the imperial coalition and their apologists are beginning to sound like that. Victory to the Intifadah(s)!

now here ARE some articles that relate to the
Blair Bush junta



Robert cooper
Blairs Neo-liberal imperialist guru
Director General, Political and Military Affairs, EU Council of Ministers.


Blair aide calls for colonies
Mar 28 2002
By Bob Roberts Political Correspondent
A SENIOR aide to Tony Blair yesterday called for a return to colonialism.
Foreign affairs adviser Robert Cooper said: "What is needed is a new kind of imperialism.
"The opportunities, perhaps even the need for colonisation, is as great as it ever was in the 19th century."
Mr Cooper added: "The weak still need the strong and the strong still need an orderly world.
"A world in which the efficient and well-governed export stability and liberty, and which is open for investment and growth, seems eminently desirable."
He said Afghanistan showed what could happen if the West did not intervene in the Third World.
Terrorists could use failed states as bases to attack "orderly" nations.
His comments will anger MPs who think Labour is keener on matters abroad than problems at home.
But Mr Blair stressed that the world couldn't submit to the "savagery of the fanatic".
 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=11741050&method=full&siteid=50143

The call for a "defensive imperialism", with Western countries, particularly Britain and the European Union intervening abroad to restore order, comes in a pamphlet that has a foreword by Blair himself.

Blair's advisor, Robert Cooper, who represented the British government at the Bonn talks that produced the interim Hamid Karzai administration in Afghanistan, is known to have heavily influenced the British prime minister's foreign policy thinking.

Just three months ago, Blair used the high-tech, but hugely symbolic venue of Bangalore in the former British Raj to speak of his vision for Britain as a "force for good in the world".

Cooper, who argues for a "post-modern" apartheid-like duality of laws and systems to deal with "ourselves and the premodern world", says the West will have to employ "double standards".

He said that like the old empire, Western countries would have to deal with "old-fashioned states outside the postmodern continent of Europe with the rougher methods of an earlier era – force, pre-emptive attack, deception, whatever is necessary to deal with those who still live in the nineteenth century…"

The pamphlet, which contains a thoughtful essay on Hindu, Muslim and Christian identity by Amartya Sen, is published by the Foreign Policy Centre, set up by Blair and of which he remains the patron.
Blair's Britain wants a return to 'age of empire'
 http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?art_id=5191650
the essay:
 http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,680095,00.html

quotes:

"Among ourselves we operate on the basis of laws and open cooperative security. But when dealing with more old-fashioned kinds of states outside the postmodern continent of Europe, we need to revert to the rougher methods of an earlier era – force, pre-emptive attack, deception, whatever is necessary to deal with those who still live in the nineteenth century world of every state for itself. Among ourselves, we keep the law, but when we are operating in the jungle, we must also use the laws of the jungle."

"What we need is a new kind of imperialism, one acceptable to a world of human rights and cosmopolitan values. We can already discern its outline: an imperialism which, like all imperialism, aims to bring order and organisation but which rests today on the voluntary principle."

"The post-modern EU offers a vision of cooperative empire, a common liberty and a common security without the ethnic domination and centralised absolutism to which past empires have been subject, but also without the ethnic exclusiveness that is the hallmark of the nation state – inappropriate in an era without borders an era without borders and unworkable in regions such as the Balkans."

European stability initiative:
 http://www.esiweb.org/europeanraj/cooper.php


Neocon Robert Kagans piece: Power and Weakness
 http://www.policyreview.org/JUN02/kagan.html

"In October 2001 and after the September 11th attacks, Robert Cooper, an advisor to Blair was transferred to the Foreign Ministry to accomplish a specific mission, polishing the final touches on the project of the future empire … The former British empire is the imperial advisor to the future American empire…
In “Prospect” magazine, Cooper explicitly said that “Nation States” had proved their failure after independence… and that all conditions are set for the beginning of a new imperialism with an Anglo-Saxon culture… This is what really happens and Iraq is only a part of a series of plots. "
The importance of Iraqi oil to the US
 http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/news/ntm31898.htm

"The term 'imperialism' has not had a very good press in radical and even Marxist milieux; the preferred term is that of 'empire', generally reduced to the case of the US. It has, on the other hand, reappeared in the financial press since 11 September and has even been 'theorized' by Robert Cooper, adviser to Tony Blair on diplomatic affairs. Military intervention is necessary, it is argued, and should be followed by close supervision of (or the establishment of a protectorate over) the countries that have been plunged into chaos. These forms of neo-colonialism would be organized under the auspices of the 'international community' - that is, the countries that dominate the planet and the international organizations (IMF, World Bank. NATO) whose programmes they dictate. The US has neither the intention nor the possibility of managing world chaos on its own. The carve up of Argentina was not the deed of the 'US empire', but of the financial capital of the US and EU.
The reservations expressed by the EU countries in relation to US 'unilateralism' are not then based essentially on disagreement about the globalisation of capital. They are witness to their fear of being marginalized in the management of the 'affairs of the world' and, in the short term, witnessing a 'unilateral' division of the Iraqi booty. Hence the increased military budgets in the biggest EU countries. "

War drive: armed globalisation
 http://www.3bh.org.uk/IV/Issues/2002/IV344/IV344%2001.htm

Empire lust-
Brian Denny exposes new Labour's absolute madness
 http://www.poptel.org.uk/against-eurofederalism/d61empire.html

Duck and Drakes
 http://www.williambowles.info/ini/ini-080.html
HOW LONG DO EMPIRES LAST?
 http://www.williambowles.info/ini/ini-008.html
William Bowles


Civilise or die by Robert Cooper
 http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1068851,00.html

Foreign policy is about war and peace. If wars are fought on moral or religious grounds, no basis for restraint exists. After all, to call something evil is to invoke a moral duty to destroy it. No compromise, no modus vivendi, no peaceful co-existence is possible. Even containment is ruled out, for there is simply no room for negotiation and compromise. You cannot do business with the Great Satan.
The Morality of Amorality in Foreign Policy-Robert Cooper
 http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentaries/commentary_text.php4?id=1122〈=1

The Global Europe project aims to develop realistic recommendations on how the EU can become an effective liberal force in world politics. In spite of recent progress on Iran and the Convention's proposal for an EU 'foreign minister', co-ordinated European interventions in international affairs typically remain more declaratory than effective. Global Europe will focus on the strategic, economic and political capacities available to the EU member-states and the policies required to enhance their efficacy.
Global Europe-The foreign policy centre
 http://fpc.org.uk/topics/global-europe/

You people can bleat all you want but we are winning, we are bringing freedom and democracy to the world. We are building a global world based on Christian values and if we need to be a little sneaky in achieving that - so be it.

While you people make your banners and shout your protests we march on. A world free of Islamic terrorism and cowardly liberal left who gave them their inspiration. Shout all you want we are winning.

You will never win against the Iraqi people.

Just as you could not win in Vietnam.

I remember people saying the blacks in South Africa were not capable of ruling themselves.

How can you bring freedom by killing civilians?
By occupying a country where you are not wanted?

Our opposition is growing and will continue to grow as the body bags are brought home.

On the contrary, the plans of the US and British ruling classes have received a significant set back in the face of the Iraqi people's resistance. The US and British governments will now think twice about marching into Iran, Syria etc, not because of the anti-war movement in their own countries, but because of the resistance they are facing in Iraq. The propaganda that the resistance was a handfull of "terrorists" from the old regime and international fanatics has been exposed by the widespread uprising by Sunni and Shia alike (the Shia were of course oppressed by the old Saddam regime). Iraq is not yet Vietnam and it would be foolish to suggest it is and the Anglo-American stratgy is not yet in tatters, but it has received a big set back. They have not been received as liberators, they have not been able to pacify the country and their multinationals have not been able to get their hands on Iraqi oil because of the "security situation". Scheme after scheme of the "Coalition" in Iraq have come to nothing and had to be revised, we are now on plan D it seems.

I think it is worth remembering what the Vietnamese said, that imperialism is defeated when it appears to be at its most powerful, when it has over extended itself. The imperialists have extended themselves into half the world and are facing fierce resistance frome Colombia to Nepal.

Imperialist troops out of the Middle East!
Long live the Iraqi national liberation war!
Victory to the Intifada!

Yeah right your glorious Iraqi resistance. A bunch of Yemani fanatics and Saudi hero wannabes. We rule the country now and we will decide its future.

The Muslim extremists will get theres like anyone else who stands before us.

We march on, tomorrow belongs to us.

freedom giver also gave a free rein to pinochet, suharto, marcos and scores of other evil doers
freedom givers possee trianed all the worst scum in the world at the SOA and he wants to talk about
muslim terrorism. the most powerfull country in the world people full of dickheaded idiots ..

Freedom Giver, would you like you provide a brief resume of the Christian values that "we" are "giving" to the world in general but Iraq in particular. Whilst I'm sure you are fully able to do this I would like to provide you with a little bit of context so that you can make it a lirttle more topical. Do these values you are so fond of include the widely acknowledged corruption and nepotism of the CPA/IGC? Do they include the leaving of the needs of the poor untended, as anyone visiting Sadr City could attest to, with electrical power available for less than half the day, and as a result of more than 10 years of Christan, sorry I means American, Bombing, rew sewage running down the street. Do they include the inflicting of collective punishments on a city of 300,000 people for the deaths of four mercenaries? And finally, do they include invading the precincts of places of worship in tanks to vandalise and destroy the items given by the poor of Baghdad as aid for the victims of the Christian charity so freely dispersed to the people of Fallujah?

I think Freedom Giver is a squaddie - because he lack any kind of sophisticated understanding of politics, and his spelling is appauling.

Any other guesses?

I don't think freedom giver is a squaddie. Some kind of wannabe armchair general more likely. The squaddies I know aren't so ready to lose their lives, or their mates' lives for oil.

and with rockets the hundred whinnying

thoroughbreds of the sun syncopate harsh uglinesses

amidst the stagnation.



Ah! I scent the hell of delights

and through nidorous mists mimicking flaxen

hair –— bushy breathing of beardless

old men –— the thousandfold ferocious tepidity

of howling madness and death.

But how how not bless

unlike anything dreamt by my logics

hard against the grain cracking their licy piles

and their saburra and more pathetic

than the fruit-bearing flower

the lucid chap of unreasons?



And I hear the water mounting

the new the untouched the timeless water

toward the renewed air.



Did I say air?



A discharge of cadmium with gigantic weals

expalmate in ceruse white wicks

of anguish.



Essence of a landscape.



Carved out of light itself fulgurating nopals

burgeoning dawns unparalleled whitescence

deep-rooted stalagmites carriers of day



O blazing lactescences hyaline meadows

snowy gleanings



toward streams of docile neroli incorruptible

hedges ripen with distant mica

their long incandescence.

The eyelids of breakers shut –— Prelude –—

yuccas tinkle audibly

in a lavender of tepid rainbows

owlettes peck at bronzings.



Who

riffles

and raffles

the uproar, beyond the muddled heart of this

third day?



Who gets lost and rips and drowns

in the reddened waves of the Siloam?

Rafale.

The lights flinch. The noises rhizulate

the rhizule

smokes

silence.



The sky yawns from black absence



behold –—

nameless wanderings

the suns the rains the galaxies

fused in fraternal magma

pass by toward the safe necropolises of the sunset

and the earth, the morgue of storms forgotten,

which stitches rips in its rolling

lost, patient, arisen

savagely hardening the invisible faluns

blew out



and the sea makes a necklace of silence for the earth

the sea inhaling the sacrificial peace

where our death rattles entangle, motionless with

strange pearls and abyssal mute

maturations



the earth makes a bulge of silence for the sea

in the silence



behold the earth alone,

without its trembling nor tremoring

without the lashing of roots

nor the perforations of insects



empty

empty as on the day before day . . .

You want to know what freedom is ? Get up to RAF Fairford and watch the as we reap what they have sewn. Listen to the B52's "the sound of freedom". You can whine, you can have your little demos and walks but it is us who have the oil, us who have the power. We run your lives and now we are gaining more power.

How many of you are reading this via Internet Explorer, how many are running MS Windows on your PC's how may did their shopping at Tesco or Sainsbury's this week. You are weakand we are laughing at you. Capitalism is winning, military force is winning, Christianity is winning.

Soon the world will be ours, a new world order.

We are winning, we are marching, tomorrow belongs to us.

The U.S. Troops have now confirmed "competitors": Private Miltary Contractors.
British Company Erinys, is yet another company, who employed 10.000 Iraqis, to protect the oil pipelines.
Erinys is in reality bankrolled at its inception by Nour USA Ltd., which was incorporated in the United States last May.
A Nour's founder was Ahmed Chalabi friend and business associate, Abul Huda Farouki.
Within days of the award last August, Nour became a joint venture partner with Erinys and the contract was amended to include Nour.
Newsday wrote, that another founding partner and director of Erinys Iraq is Faisal Daghistani, the son of Tamara Daghistani, for years one of Chalabi's most trusted confidants. She was a key player in the creation of his exile group, the Iraqi National Congress, which received millions of dollars in U.S. funds to help destabilize the Saddam Hussein regime before the coalition invasion last year.
The firm's counsel in Baghdad is Chalabi's nephew Salem Chalabi.
Erinys recently also awarded a $10-million contract for helicopter surveillance of the pipelines to Florida-based AirScan Inc.
Airscan also protects African oil fields.

AirScan, run by Walter Holloway, was formed in 1984 by former U.S. air commandos, the Air Force version of Special Forces. Its first and longest lasting contract has been to provide airborne surveillance security for U.S. Air Force launches at Cape Canaveral in Florida and Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. AirScan also has contracts in the war zones of Colombia and Angola, where it guards oil pipelines for U.S. companies, and is part of the U.S. anti-drug operation, Plan Colombia.
One of AirScan's fleet of Cessna 337s was lost in undisclosed circumstances in Angola in July 2001, while conducting a nighttime surveillance mission in the Cabinda enclave. The company admitted the loss of the aircraft to the Voice of America.
 http://911skeptics.blogspot.com/
911blog Ewing 2001

see also
 http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID.jsp?articleid=8328
Guarding the Oil Underworld in Iraq

 http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID.jsp?articleid=10288
Mercenary Boom in Iraq Creates Tension at Home and Abroad

both articles from corpwatch

"I believe I read an article explaining that Blackwater USA had hired mercenaries from Chile (9/11/73-Pinochet) to go to Iraq and control/secure the petroleum facilities-- Blackwater and apparently Moussad hired "the best professionals" for the job-- those particular professionals certainly have a horribly frightening history"


can anyone confirm?


"John Negroponte - the war criminal responsible to training those South American mercenaries is going to the the next coalition dictator in Iraq. "

from this thread
Mercenaries take revenge and shoot hundreds of Iraqis
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/04/285253.shtml


if this is true Negropontes history at the school of americas
and the tactic used with chalabis firm /hired kurdish mercenaries/
oil protectors / politically used saddam keepers ...


are all very similar-

counter intelligence / insurgency
stoking the fires

I believe they will use these tactics to blame Iran/ syria

"Neo-conservatives close to the administration of President George W Bush are pushing for retribution against Iran for, they say, sponsoring this week's Shia uprising in Iraq led by radical leader Moqtada al-Sadr.

Despite the growing number of reports that depict the fighting as a spontaneous and indigenous revolt against the US-led occupation, the influential neo-cons are calling on Bush to warn Tehran to cease its alleged backing for al-Sadr and other Shia militias or face retaliation, ranging from an attack on Iranian nuclear facilities to covert action designed to overthrow the government."
 http://www.hipakistan.com/en/detail.php?newsId=en60773&F_catID=&f_type=source

Message to people like Tiny Tim and the Freedom guy:

You are fools, you are doing incredible harm to Israel's cause with all your nonsense about 'Christian values'. If you really want to make people realise that Israel is the good guy, cut all this crap and talk about the facts. Anyone can mock someone who goes on about Christianity and uses idiotic confrontationary language, it's much harder if the person is giving unrefutable facts about Israel or whatever.

in gods name...


can a country which is run by many different entities
some altruistic for good or evil be classed as a 'good guy'?

Oh NO! I forgot ...we are now all living in Bushworld...
a new western starring corporate gunslingers
industrial spies and global money launderers

fly the jolly roger , me hearties,
the skull & Bones are on the open seas...
coming to a mineral rich area near you...

this is a US/UK global military takeover using semitic religon as a mask,
a patsy, an excuse...

to get back to my original point

something fishy is going on with the kidnappings

now China has 7 taken

"Seven Chinese men have been kidnapped in central Iraq, China's Xinhua news agency said today, the latest in a spate of hostage-taking in the war-ravaged country.

The abductions yesterday came days before a visit to China by US Vice President Dick Cheney, a key force behind the US-led invasion of Iraq, which China opposed.

The seven entered Iraq via Jordan on Sunday morning and were most probably abducted in Fallujah, west of Baghdad, Xinhua quoted a Chinese diplomat as saying."

 http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/12/1081621881548.html
HMMM...very strange

Cheney visits S Korea
11 people Kidnapped & then released

Cheney visits Japan
3 kidnapped

Cheney visits China
7 kidnapped

Cheney IS the real president ,
and he is an extortion artist...

cheney is a pirate...

presents countries with opportunity to call rebels terrorists
or it's
sign here or lose these hostages...

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-- South Korea is ready to send 36-hundred troops to Iraq, making it the third largest coalition partner behind the United States and Britain.

South Korea's foreign minister acknowledges the deterioration of the situation in Iraq, but he says Seoul will proceed with the deployment. The issue -- in his words -- "deals more with keeping a promise with international society."
 http://www.wane.com/Global/story.asp?S=1776868



On a trip to China next week to talk about high-stakes issues like terrorism and North Korea, US Vice President Dick Cheney will have another task -- making a pitch for Westinghouse's US nuclear power technology.

At stake could be billions of US dollars in business in coming years and thousands of US jobs.

The initial installment of four reactors, costing US$1.5 billion apiece, would also help narrow the huge US trade deficit with China.
 http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2004/04/11/2003136217

Vice President Dick Cheney endorsed Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi's handling of the Japanese hostage crisis in Iraq and said Monday he promised Koizumi the United States would ``do everything we can to be of assistance.''

Cheney met with the Japanese leader in a session overshadowed by new violence and the holding of foreign hostages in Iraq, including three Japanese civilians.

Koizumi's government has refused to bow to demands that it withdraw its roughly 530 ground troops performing humanitarian missions in Iraq, part of an eventual deployment of 1,100 non-combat troops.

`We wholeheartedly support the position the prime minister has taken with respect to the question of the Japanese hostages,'' Cheney told reporters. ``We have consulted closely with the prime minister and his government to make certain we do everything we can to be of assistance.''

The kidnapping of the Japanese civilians by Iraqi militants cast a pall over Cheney's visit to Japan, his first stop on a weeklong Asia trip that also is taking the vice president to China and South Korea.


 http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/ap/ap_story.html/Intl/AP.V7379.AP-Cheney-Asia.html

I have you now Meeester Bond....

Glaxo smith Kline ....experiments drugs on children....

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/04/289007.html

guess who is deeply involved?

One thing that struck me was how the hell did Sadam manage to lower that huge chunk of concrete over the top of that hole he was found in from underneath, all by himself ? How was he ever supose to get out ?

The chunk of concrete was about 2 foot X 18 inchs X 12 inchs. I estimate the weight to be about 200 lbs +. TV footage showed that it took two strong men to carry the chunk of concrete using steel makeshift handles portruding out of the top of it.

There is no way he lowered it in place himself from underneath, and there is no way he could have lifted it out on his own - hence he must have been captive.