Bio-Chip Implants
Zinfandel | 07.04.2004 21:55 | Technology
Until now the mention of bio-chip implants or RFID chip implants has received ridicule and accusations of conspiracy theory.
Well, not any more! They are here. Press reports have claimed that five American states plan to start mandatory bio-chip implants of homeless people in order to track them in real-time. A spanish night club has just announced that it will be offering implants to its customers. Not so long ago it was just pets and presumably VIPs who had these implants. Now it could be assumed that coalition forces in Iraq have implants and that whilst they are being encouraged in the 'Chip Mobile' roadshow (see link), it will not be long until they will be compulsory.
http://www.adsx.com/prodservpart/verichip.html
It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen...
http://www.adsx.com/prodservpart/verichip.html It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen...
Zinfandel
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they's a-comin'
07.04.2004 23:01
Will the chipped ID card be identifiable by Global positioning Sattelites, so that holders will be identifiable within 3 metres. rather like the chips in the tags attached to released paedophiles (the little street watchers and gropers not the high-up protected child torturers)?
Will there be so many fuck-ups with left -at-home, mutilated, lost ID cards, that under-skin microchipping would seem a sensible solution
Does the sprouting of so many mobile phone masts indicate a two-way electronic intercorse between chip and state - a feedback loop capable of feeding emotional physical or cognitive information back to the individual as well as picking up on this material?
dh
What ???
08.04.2004 06:21
WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT ?
"A spanish night club has just announced that it will be offering implants to its customers."
WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT
"Not so long ago it was just pets and presumably VIPs who had these implants. Now it could be assumed that coalition forces in Iraq have implants
HUH ! HOW DO YOU WORK THAT OUT ?
"it will not be long until they will be compulsory."
MAYBEE IN YOUR WORLD OF PARANOIA !!
The link just takes you to the home page of the manufacturer, all of the rest you have posted in conjecture and paranoid rubbish. There is no evidence for what you claim.
Simon the Scientist
Paedophiles
08.04.2004 08:37
The support from parents for ID cards could well be a consequence of that.
steve
Paranoid Rubbish? Really
08.04.2004 10:32
RFID 1
RFID 2
RFID 3
The nightclub's website:
Click the VIP link at the top. It's all in Spanish, so here's a translation:
You might find this interesting too:
The pet chipping service has been available for about 3 or 4 years and it is widely reported about guinea pig families being tested. I think it is safe to presume that members of the Royal family and prominent politicians have implants as an anti-kidnap measure. Given that the technology is available they would be pretty dumb not to use it to protect themselves. As for the current theatre of war, there is plenty of other technical wizardry being deployed out there. Why not? They found Jessica Lynch easily enough didn't they. There don't seem to be the numbers of MIAs that there were in Viet Nam. Why do you think that is? They probably don't advertise it in Iraq because they don't want to find a pile of severed arms when they arrive with their scanners.
Finally, Simon the Scientist, how long do you think it will be before we have compulsory biometric ID cards, no doubt with RFID chips. In case you didn't know, they are already in Euros, the new US $20 bill, most car tyres and in most cars that have been built since 1992. There is certainly RFID technology in mobile phones.
I suggest you wipe that stupid smug grin off your face, Simon. Whether you are just one of the TeeVee zombies who either can't see fascism when it is standing in front of them or an active supporter of this technology, you are a fucking idiot.
These images are from Matrics' own website and show what the chips look like. The first, 'swastika' chip is the one which it is believed is being used for implants. The second is used for retail products. The third is described as a 'roll insertion tag'.
Zinfandel
sorry would be nice ...
08.04.2004 11:00
... I don't mind being called a loony paranoid consiracy theorist that much ...
... but now, as more evidence emerges that this is no fantasy, I would like some sort of acknowledgement from those who attempted to shout me down this way - including several from the imcuk kollective who took every opportunity to censor and repudiate (without evidence) the notion ('perhaps this site is not for you' etc etc) ...
.. or are you all going to search for more extreme means of maintaining that it is a handful of peoples paranoia rather than a handful of peoples agenda!
Voluntary biometric ID cards for all (how is that voluntary?) by 2008!
The nickname of the centralised computing service IS 'the beast@ and IBM HAVE numbered the specific [super] computer series 666! (Probably no more than a sick joke on their part, but a knowing one at that!)
RFID tracking on everything you buy ...
Like I have said before (actually it was schopenhauer!) -
truth passes through three stages:
first it is ridiculed
then it is violently opposed
then it is accepted
Can we miss out stage two please.
jackslucid
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So !
08.04.2004 11:07
Of course the technology exists, but that does not mean it is being used to track people or that it is being implanted into soldiers (do you think one or two of them might have said something by now ??)
And as for the Swastika reference - Wow ! I are you one of these people that can take a Marlboro packet apart and "prove" how it shows Phillip Morris support the Klan ?
simon the Scientist
Don't worry everybody...
08.04.2004 11:53
Simon the (blinkered) Scientist, evidently you didn't look at any of the links you asked me to provide for you. The problem with looking down a microscope is that you can't see what else is going on around you. Oh, by the way, that was a metaphor, meaning that when you concentrate on your own field you are probably oblivious to what else is going on in the world. Assuming that you are a scientist, that is.
I have the misfortune to be remotely related to a genetic engineer who cannot see the dangers and moral issues of what they are doing because they are trained to only see the narrow rut that concerns them.
The term 'swastika' was used simply to describe the chips appearance as when I was uploading the images I couldn't see which was which. Perhaps you could suggest a better single word description for its design.
In conclusion, I find your head in the sand attitude quite exasperating. Your reference to the swastika reminds me how I had found it hard to believe that the German people could allow the rise of the Nazis. On a daily basis I encounter people like you and it no longer mysifies me.
Zinfandel
simon says
08.04.2004 11:58
... go back to your armchairs
... nothing to see here
... the government/military industrial complex is looking after you
... they would never fuck you over for a buck
... any who say otherwise are still loonies
When the fuck are you going to wake up?
When they start 'liberating' you by killing thousands of you?
Typical complacent middle calss response:
...they never poisened us with agent orange, mecury amalgam, floride in the water, heavy metals and live vius adjuvients
...they never kept detailed records of thousands of 'anti-establishment' types
...they never lied about neclear power, gm food, the terrorists they made and armed etc etc ad in-ferfucking-finitium
The links between unrepentent, hardcore zionist/christian fundamentalists, big business, the republican/labour/democrat/tories the nazi hydra DON'T EXIST.
The fact that those making, maintaining and profiting form those links do so under your very noses is the result of my contagious paranoia leeching into reality.
No problem - eastenders is on anyway, must by a new pair of trainers (the old ones have stopped attracting people to my desirable meaningful lifestyle).
fuck fuck fuck
we can't wait for the dumb bastards to realise that they are dumb bastards
there is no 7th cavalry ready to save us
we don't enjoy whatever freedoms we are allowed because we are better than those that don't
there is no future in slavery
you're stupid, ugly, you smell and have no friends - buy more products
suckers
fuckers - you are endangering my future with your complacent ostrich impressions
I will not forgive you your smug finger in ear stupidity
jackslucid
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Best Friends
08.04.2004 12:24
Sit down, calm down, have a drink and think it through.
Simon the Scientist
Compelling arguments from Simon the Scientist...
08.04.2004 12:44
When you can provide any kind of counter claim you might have something worth reading. In the meantime, your credentials as a 'scientist' look kind o' weak and you are starting to look like the biggest twerp in this thread.
So, before you sling any more shit, why not share your wealth of scientific knowledge with us. Or provide us with some convincing theory why we should have faith in our leaders' security plans.
Failure to do so is going to make you look even more stupid.
Zinfandel
Think it through !!!
08.04.2004 12:56
Think it through man, read your own posts with a detached eye and see what you look like to the outside world. These tranmitters are for tracking goods. There is not a shred of evidence beyond your own paranoia to suggest that anybody is "implanting" them in anybody else.
I may have zero respect for this and Bush's government and its policies but to suggest that hundreds of thousands of troops have been implanted with radio tracking devices and not one of them has spoken about it is just plain barmy.
As a final aside the nickname "the scientist" comes from friends because unlike most of my contempories I have remained in academia rather than moving into industry. As a number of them read Indymedia they will know who I am. I hold degrees in Molecular Biology and Marine Engineering and have written a number of papers on Thermodynamic Atomic Flow and Sub-Atomic Particle Relationships. I maintain an interest in Radio Particle Magnatism hence my understanding of this subject.
Simon the Scientist
Not a shred of evidence?
08.04.2004 13:26
I can only assume that you have not followed any of the links I provided at your request.
Tell you what, why don't you fill this form in, have your own personal VeriChip implanted and then come back and deny it ever happened:
The fact that you make claims like that without checking the links makes you look very stupid indeed to anybody who bothers to take a look.
"Think it through !!!" you say. Read my own posts with a detached eye and see what I look like to the outside world! I can read, you moron! From the VeriChip site:
• VeriChip, the world’s first subdermal personal verification technology, announces a special, introductory pre-registration program. Sign up today to be among the first in the world to “Get Chipped.”
You say: "These tranmitters are for tracking goods. There is not a shred of evidence beyond your own paranoia to suggest that anybody is "implanting" them in anybody else."
Not very scientific!
Hey, do you want to buy this bridge?
Zinfandel
Link to VeriChip pre-registration form
08.04.2004 13:30
I realise you have to have your hand held to find these things, Simon.
Zinfandel
No logic
08.04.2004 13:50
All your links lead to the commercial website of a company which sells things not proof that the products of that company are being forced on a population.
If I list the Tesco site it doesn't mean you are being forced to buy apples.
Simon the Scientist
Argue amongst yourself, Simon...
08.04.2004 14:23
You ridiculed the original posting asking for links to back it up. I provided the links. You either didn't bother to look or dismissed them out of hand.
You then make a bold statement, "There is not a shred of evidence beyond your own paranoia to suggest that anybody is "implanting" them in anybody else." Read what you said. 'There is not a shred of evidence beyond your own paranoia to suggest that anybody is "implanting" them in anybody else.
I posted a link to a form which proves just that. It might not prove that we are being forcibly implanted (yet!), but that isn't what your statement said. And I think it is a fair extrapolation to assume that existent technology and the proposal to introduce mandatory biometric ID cards will in all likelyhood facilitate just that. Compulsory RFID implants.
But you just slobber and change the subject.
Who cares why your mates call you the scientist. If they are reading this as you suggest, they are probably well aware that you have exhibited the intellect of a bar room drunk. Who cares what papers you have written. Put your fucking certificates away. They mean nothing. Your interest in Radio Particle Magnatism no more gives you an insight into the moral implecations of this than a keen interest in drain covers. You are a tosser.
Zinfandel
I'm sorry
08.04.2004 14:43
I'm sorry you were not able to understand the intellectual point I was making. Perhaps a period of contemplation before you post again would be a good thing.
For background information on your condition I would suggest the following reading:
Prof SG Gillian - The State of Mind. A Study in Western Society Paranoia
Dr Susan Galbraithe - Paranoia: Are you seeing the truth ?
AHJ Scott - An Understanding of the Causes of Reflective Inward Self Denial (this may be out of print now)
In your present frame of mind I am sure you will reject my advice but perhaps with the help of friends and profesional help you can regain a sense of perspective on the world. Be assured you are not being followed, tracked or observed and nobody is planning to do any of the above.
Kind regards
Simon
Simon the Scientist
Oh, that's right, I forgot...
08.04.2004 15:00
Until you actually do so, why don't you save your fingertips for your next trip to your spiritual home, the USA. Because if you can't answer the points made you don't have an argument. Just a lot of hot gas eminating from your arse!
But as another poster on here said, quoting Schopenhauer - "Truth passes through three stages: first it is ridiculed; then it is violently opposed; then it is accepted."
You seem to be stuck very much in the retard class, stage one.
Forgive me for not wasting any more time on your imbecilic displays. Have the rest of the day off. Go meet your graduate friends and have some fun with science.
Zinfandel
just for the record
08.04.2004 15:52
have been unable to verify this for sure but it looks legit, check it out
british troops being microshipped right now it appears
who to trust
simon says - nothing
08.04.2004 16:00
waste of hot air
anal-cyphalitic
sheeple/pied piper
relax, go back to your homes, nothing to see here
terminally boring narcissitic unimaginative dead end thinking
go on science man invent us another gm crop, another way of removing women from the reproductive cycle, a new weapon that kills for generations
"a man who knows something and understands little is a very dangerous man"
your so smart tell us who said that
try basic logical positivism;
no evidence is not evidence of nothing
and evidence there is aplenty
but only to those who look
you can lead a horse to water
jackslucid
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Offer of help
08.04.2004 16:26
I am glad I have made you both think again about your arguments and views. Only with carefull analysis of facts can opinion be formed.
I wish you luck in the future, you are not alone there are plenty that will be willing to help you.
I have taken a chance and included my email on the occasion, please do contact me off-line and I will be happy to supply contacts who can help.
Best wishes
~Simon
Simon
e-mail:
simon-taylor@icl.edu.uk
@icl.edu.uk ???
08.04.2004 17:55
like IMPERIAL college london ???
Had to be really didn't it lol :-)
Simon, I notice you slipped away from dealing with the issue of this thread into offerring self-help mental advice to people . . . can't deal with the evidence?
Since the products exist, pets already have implants and the government wants everyone to have compulsory biometric ID cards, it is at least POSSIBLE that chips may be mandatorily implanted in people. It may even be PROBABLE in the next decade. It certainly isn't deluded paranoia to suggest that a government might have control-freak/totlitarian leanings, especially when they openly express them (ID cards).
amused
Education
08.04.2004 18:56
It seems a shame in these days of higher education for all that a degree is still seen by some as something to belittle - jeoulousy, envy a recognition of time wasted when younger, a recognition of a personal lack of ability ?
Roman
Degrees
08.04.2004 19:27
Cashpoint Machine
just a joke
08.04.2004 22:34
I'm not anti-education, although education can be a synonymn for indoctrination as earlier posters pointed out. I'm in the process of getting a degree in business, which is 'interesting'. Ultimately education is good, it just doesn't have to come from the state . . . educate yourself and sod certificates
amused
Fear ?
09.04.2004 07:22
As I said I have no wish to enter the debate over the subject matter or the opinions of those involved but it was clear the matter of education was a point of hostility
Roman
as one
09.04.2004 11:21
I am also very well aquainted with imperial college - a hot bed of reactionary thinking [emoting] and producing some of the smugist, cleverist idiots I have come across.
I remember in the 70's & 80's two particular flashpoints that drew the ire of my fellow london students - their 'bash the oiks' days (they never actually bashed any oiks - to afraid perhaps) and their ritual pornography nights (centered around the concept of sex with animals) - both these events being proudly announced and timidly hidden when confronted by a body of students seeking to express their disgust with such organised degredation.
Perhaps I tar with too large a brush - but these are events that stay vividly in the mind somewhat!
But beyond all this, I am still waiting for simon the scientist (my guess is that this is sceptic/bullshit buster in a different guise - seeing how all these three regular posters like to bang on about their educational acheivments and then proceed to ignore the facts and aguments that such learning might illuminate) to repudiate the basic facts and then outline why it is we should suddenely expect govenments/corporations to change their spots and act out of the common good rather than the cynical expoitative manner with which we are depressingly familiar with!
It's probably too much to expect rational discourse and open exchange of information from those who have made up their minds all ready and exclude any awkard facts that contravine such a reaction.
However - there is every scope for those interested enough to do their own research and not rely on nutters like myself or the sad arrogance of defenders of the staus quo.
Do it.
jackslucid
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Big risk
09.04.2004 11:25
Simon's imaginary lecturer
Fear?
09.04.2004 11:34
University of Cloud Cuckoo Land
What a laugh
09.04.2004 18:39
He must be pissing himself seeing how easy it was to real you in.
What a couple of losers
Joker
yes, well I am sure
10.04.2004 10:15
is there anything that anybody wishes to add to this somewhat mangled and wondering debate?
jackslucid
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Made an idiot of yourself? No problem - just claim it was all a joke!
11.04.2004 10:52
You didn't make one single valid point - running away from every argument and then come back with a different mask on saying you had been winding us up all along.
Giving a false e-mail address (allegedly - I cannot verify this) with a note attached saying it is your real address does little for your credibility.
I'm not totally convinced that Roman (who could only see the occasional insult amongst the valid points made corroborating biochip implants - yet could not decipher the tirade of insults camouflaged as insults made by Simon the Scientist) isn't another of your alter egos.
Yes, Simon, I think you are an idiot. That isn't meant as an insult - that's just what I think of you. You are the kind of person who would lie on a towel on the beach under a black sky because Michael Fish said it was going to be sunny, steadfastly refusing to budge even when the heavens opened.
"I paid my licence fee so it must be sunny!"
Zinfandel
potential health risks with a subdermal chip? How to deactivateit?
31.07.2004 04:54
Are there any potential health risks with the radio active satelite chip that is implanted in a human. Is there any way to deactivate or disable the subdermal chip already implanted?
I look forward to reading your suggestions,
R
drsnip
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German Documentary
14.09.2004 11:12
As you would expect, it is in German but there is some English in the background. It isn't too difficult to get the gyst of it. This is a translation of the introduction from their website:
"In Germany there are at least 500,000 surveillance cameras, mostly in public places and shopping centers. Security and crime prevention are however not the only use for modern surveillance technology. Implanted micro-chips and finger-scans are used in night clubs as payment and for access to VIP lounges. Polylux meets party people who have made their bodies into voluntary data-banks."
Zinfandel
Simon the "Scientist"
19.04.2005 18:00
Simon, to say that just because they have the technology doesn't mean they're going to use it on us (which they WILL) is like saying that just because we have nuclear devices doesn't mean we're going to use them on other countries. Why would we have them if not to use them on other countries. Also, whenever another naive leftist asks me, "You don't really think they actually meet in locked rooms and come up with these 'inside job' plans, do you?", I give them the Michael Parenti response: "No, they skydive out of planes and discuss them on the way down....OF COURSE THEY MEET IN LOCKED ROOMS!!!". Simon, don't expect "evidence" from others if you cannot come up with it yourself. That lends to extremely poor credibility issues. When you call us "paranoid", you actually detract from your own credibility and simply feed OUR SIDE more and more strength. Look at Alex Jones---he quotes from several mainstream newspapers and publications. This lends to his credibility, and this is why he is so popular with anti-globalists. Plus, he has the courage to actually go out in public and physically confront his enemies.
Simon, you are an example of a social ostrich....you would rather just stick your head in the sand and just bask in denial. You are like a man who sets his hair on fire and then denies that he smells smoke. The smoking guns on 9/11, so numerous they could fill a supercomputers' hard drive, will naturally be lost on you because you are one of those sheeple who could never bring yourself to believe that our government would ever do anything like 9/11. Hell, our government has arranged/carried out the assassinations of world leaders in Chile, Iraq, Guatemala, Nicaragua, and a score of other countries, but they could NEVER do 9/11, could they?
Get your head outta yer butt, Simon, and face reality, like WE are. When they come for you, remember the people on this forum who warned you. Of course, we'll just look away and say, "We told you so".
Benji