nessie's hissy fit, this week!
Angie | 19.03.2004 09:27 | Anti-racism | Indymedia | Repression | Liverpool | Oxford
Well
by one of the editors Friday March 19, 2004 at 12:16 AM
We, the editors, are fed up with people reminding us that we let contributors use this website as a soapbox to spew anti-Jew racism, which we mostly allow, yet we ban all other forms of racism. We’re not going to change our minds.
>My article does not question your editorial policy
You're right. But we’re fed up to here with people reminding us that we let other contributors use this site as a soapbox to spew anti-Jew racism while banning all other forms of racism. We’re not going to change our minds. Today alone there were 300+ of these things, specifically aimed at Gilad’s article. I hid them all. If tomorrow there are 3000, I’ll hide them, too.
Yours just happened to be a long one, that’s all. No, Gilad is *not* an anti-Semite, he's an Israeli born Jew who peddles anti-Jew racism against his own tribe unabashedly. We the editors support anti-semitism as long as it comes from someone claiming to be Jewish. That allows us to claim to be anti-bigotry, while promoting bigotry. There are precious d*mn few places he can do something like that at all, let alone without being shouted down. This is one. We intend to keep it that way and silence all opposition to our racist practice. Get used to it.
>I belive
Your beliefs do not determine our editorial policy. Our supposed anti-racist beliefs determine our editorial policy. We believe in allowing our time, money, energy, skills and talents to be commandeered to provide a soapbox for people who spout anti-Semitic rhetoric under the guise of anti-Zionism, while not letting anyone call us on our racist hypocricy. We bend over backwards to lie to ourselves and others and say it is not anti-Semitic to accuse Zionists of killing Christ, and we hide behind an excuse that an Israeli born Jew (by birth, at least) wrote the piece. If you want to tell people it is, use your own time, money, energy, skills and talents to do it. In other words, get lost. Ours are not for sale. Neither will we allow them to be commandeered against our racist will.
>everyone has a write to free speech unless you threaten someone.
You have a right to free speech. Yet we bypass your right claiming you do not have a right to supposedly commandeer our time, money, energy, skills and talents to broadcast it to the world.
Speech is free. This website is too. It costs us a great deal of time, money, energy, skills and talents to remain bigoted only against Jews. We provide for it. We decide how they will be used. Stop trying to talk some sense into us.
>I never said you should hide the first article.
That’s not the issue. The issue is we won't allow you to use our time, money, energy, skills and talents to expose our pretense at being anti-racist as a joke. No, you can’t do that. Take the hint. Go somewhere where you’re welcome.
Don't think you'll succeed in getting us to realize the absurdity in our position by spamming your message ad infinitum.
We the editors feel it is wrong for Jews to have a Jewish homeland. Of course, Jews are a Nation of People with thousands of years of their own unique language, culture and history, and Jews have been subject to 2,000 years of discrimination and have been kicked all around the world, and massacred, and wiped out in massive numbers, but that does not mean Jews have a right to a homeland. Now, Muslims can have all the Muslim states they want, Pakistan can be torn from India for Muslims to have a muslim-supremecist country, Saudia Arabia can be a muslim-supremecist country, Australia can exist for immigrated europeans to rule, America can exist for immigrated europeans to rule, every country can exist, but the tiny Jewish state can not. We are anti-zionism. Israel is wrong, not just for occupation, but for existing. If you ask us why we single Israel out for extermination yet barely utter a word about ending the existence of other countries, and if you ask us why we allow blatant anti-semitism to be promoted as long as the writer is careful to only say "zionist jews" instead of "the jews," we will either censor you, accuse YOU of being a racist, or nit-pick some minor error you made while totally ignoring your main points. And if you point that out, we'll probably hide your post.
That is how we do things, and how dare you come to our website and accuse us of not being fair. We are sf.indymedia.org and we will do as we wish!
by one of the editors Friday March 19, 2004 at 12:16 AM
We, the editors, are fed up with people reminding us that we let contributors use this website as a soapbox to spew anti-Jew racism, which we mostly allow, yet we ban all other forms of racism. We’re not going to change our minds.
>My article does not question your editorial policy
You're right. But we’re fed up to here with people reminding us that we let other contributors use this site as a soapbox to spew anti-Jew racism while banning all other forms of racism. We’re not going to change our minds. Today alone there were 300+ of these things, specifically aimed at Gilad’s article. I hid them all. If tomorrow there are 3000, I’ll hide them, too.
Yours just happened to be a long one, that’s all. No, Gilad is *not* an anti-Semite, he's an Israeli born Jew who peddles anti-Jew racism against his own tribe unabashedly. We the editors support anti-semitism as long as it comes from someone claiming to be Jewish. That allows us to claim to be anti-bigotry, while promoting bigotry. There are precious d*mn few places he can do something like that at all, let alone without being shouted down. This is one. We intend to keep it that way and silence all opposition to our racist practice. Get used to it.
>I belive
Your beliefs do not determine our editorial policy. Our supposed anti-racist beliefs determine our editorial policy. We believe in allowing our time, money, energy, skills and talents to be commandeered to provide a soapbox for people who spout anti-Semitic rhetoric under the guise of anti-Zionism, while not letting anyone call us on our racist hypocricy. We bend over backwards to lie to ourselves and others and say it is not anti-Semitic to accuse Zionists of killing Christ, and we hide behind an excuse that an Israeli born Jew (by birth, at least) wrote the piece. If you want to tell people it is, use your own time, money, energy, skills and talents to do it. In other words, get lost. Ours are not for sale. Neither will we allow them to be commandeered against our racist will.
>everyone has a write to free speech unless you threaten someone.
You have a right to free speech. Yet we bypass your right claiming you do not have a right to supposedly commandeer our time, money, energy, skills and talents to broadcast it to the world.
Speech is free. This website is too. It costs us a great deal of time, money, energy, skills and talents to remain bigoted only against Jews. We provide for it. We decide how they will be used. Stop trying to talk some sense into us.
>I never said you should hide the first article.
That’s not the issue. The issue is we won't allow you to use our time, money, energy, skills and talents to expose our pretense at being anti-racist as a joke. No, you can’t do that. Take the hint. Go somewhere where you’re welcome.
Don't think you'll succeed in getting us to realize the absurdity in our position by spamming your message ad infinitum.
We the editors feel it is wrong for Jews to have a Jewish homeland. Of course, Jews are a Nation of People with thousands of years of their own unique language, culture and history, and Jews have been subject to 2,000 years of discrimination and have been kicked all around the world, and massacred, and wiped out in massive numbers, but that does not mean Jews have a right to a homeland. Now, Muslims can have all the Muslim states they want, Pakistan can be torn from India for Muslims to have a muslim-supremecist country, Saudia Arabia can be a muslim-supremecist country, Australia can exist for immigrated europeans to rule, America can exist for immigrated europeans to rule, every country can exist, but the tiny Jewish state can not. We are anti-zionism. Israel is wrong, not just for occupation, but for existing. If you ask us why we single Israel out for extermination yet barely utter a word about ending the existence of other countries, and if you ask us why we allow blatant anti-semitism to be promoted as long as the writer is careful to only say "zionist jews" instead of "the jews," we will either censor you, accuse YOU of being a racist, or nit-pick some minor error you made while totally ignoring your main points. And if you point that out, we'll probably hide your post.
That is how we do things, and how dare you come to our website and accuse us of not being fair. We are sf.indymedia.org and we will do as we wish!
Angie