Plymouth Gender Equality Group Meeting
random | 12.03.2004 12:55
We will be having our first meeting on Saturday 20th March, if you are in Devon or Cornwall and would like to come along then please reply to
randomjustice2003@yahoo.com
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Why ?
12.03.2004 13:39
The 1980's are over, women have moved on - for God's sake grow up and join the 21st Century
Sophie
ignorance
12.03.2004 14:26
your denial of the inequality of women, the hate crimes perpetrated against women, the struggles of women, throughout history and continuing even today, is much akin to denying racism. make an attempt to learn about a subject before you criticize or deny it.
dont be so ignorant.
random
hmmm sophie sophie.....
12.03.2004 15:04
as for saying because bombs kill people in spain and the nhs aint ace people should not discuss gender - I mean blimey listen to what your're saying!
good grief.
crazy.
What ??
12.03.2004 15:55
We just don't experience what is listed here. We are equal and we stand up for our rights.
I can only say find a more relevent battle to fight.
Sophie
sophie
12.03.2004 17:02
Maybe you should read this thread on street harrasment on u75:
If you call that equality you live in a very strange world.
Smash Patriarchy ~ Smash Capitalism
bored
ah now i get it
12.03.2004 17:18
but now i understand why you are so ignorant. you're still a kid! which is a pretty good excuse i'll admit. go and learn about which you speak and try not to be so bloody disrespectful.
the reason feminists are still here is because women are still treated in an inferior way all round the world. improvements have been made, great things have been done, but we are far from equality.
as for being victims, feminists are about getting out there, finding the problems, solving the problems, and having a fair world. victims just sit around denying whats happening to them. i think you fit that bracket rather well.
your generation of women is entirely repressed. some examples:
hip hop - mostly male mcs, mostly male producers, mostly male djs, mostly male bboys... where do the women come in? mostly stood around in a bikini shaking their ass, occasionally guest singing over some man-made track.
sports - when was the last time you saw womens sports on the television, or the results in the paper? the only ones that get shown are tennis and gymnastics i.e. the ones where very young girls jump around in leotards or run around in skirts that dont reach their arse.
history - you obviously know very little about your own heritage, as a woman, because in school you get taught the history of Man, and somehow all the important discoveries and steps forward that women make are skimmed over at best.
movies - when was the last time you saw a movie produced/written/directed by a woman? yet there are many women out there making movies - unfortunately nobody is willing to fund movies about or by women, so its unlikely you'll see many at your local cinema or video shop.
obviously there are a million examples but i figure these four might be something you could research into yourself without getting too bored. these four items are also subjects that my group will be studying, so that we can help local women (younger and older) with training, education and help to break into these popular yet (unofficially) men-only areas, and to understand their own heritage and abilities. i dont call that being a victim - i call that solidarity and empowerment.
random
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12.03.2004 17:19
but now i understand why you are so ignorant. you're still a kid! which is a pretty good excuse i'll admit. go and learn about which you speak and try not to be so bloody disrespectful.
the reason feminists are still here is because women are still treated in an inferior way all round the world. improvements have been made, great things have been done, but we are far from equality.
as for being victims, feminists are about getting out there, finding the problems, solving the problems, and having a fair world. victims just sit around denying whats happening to them. i think you fit that bracket rather well.
your generation of women is entirely repressed. some examples:
hip hop - mostly male mcs, mostly male producers, mostly male djs, mostly male bboys... where do the women come in? mostly stood around in a bikini shaking their ass, occasionally guest singing over some man-made track.
sports - when was the last time you saw womens sports on the television, or the results in the paper? the only ones that get shown are tennis and gymnastics i.e. the ones where very young girls jump around in leotards or run around in skirts that dont reach their arse.
history - you obviously know very little about your own heritage, as a woman, because in school you get taught the history of Man, and somehow all the important discoveries and steps forward that women make are skimmed over at best.
movies - when was the last time you saw a movie produced/written/directed by a woman? yet there are many women out there making movies - unfortunately nobody is willing to fund movies about or by women, so its unlikely you'll see many at your local cinema or video shop.
obviously there are a million examples but i figure these four might be something you could research into yourself without getting too bored. these four items are also subjects that my group will be studying, so that we can help local women (younger and older) with training, education and help to break into these popular yet (unofficially) men-only areas, and to understand their own heritage and abilities. i dont call that being a victim - i call that solidarity and empowerment.
random
rude
12.03.2004 17:33
shopw me a problem, i'll show you the gender (and class) bias. you cant solve the problems until see the roots. dont live in denial, dont be a victim.
random
It's even worse !
12.03.2004 17:46
I can only tell you how I feel, I and all my friends, a cross section of students, proffesional women and those unwaged all feel the seem we are equal and we don't face gender issues day to day.
As for your comments about things like hip hop - please who cares about crappy American music. The NHS ? Well my two doctor friends will tell you there are now more women coming into the profession than men and there is no discrimination and hasn't been for years.
There are more important things to worry about. I do not now and never in the past have I faced a gender related issue that I wasn't able to deal with, is it possiblwe you are seeing a problem that just doesn't exist ?
Sophie
just stop it
12.03.2004 18:39
im sorry sophie, but you really are too old to be this ignorant. and if you insist on staying that way, could you please refrain from slagging off other womens moves for empowerment and equality? if we want to stand up for ourselves when we feel there is injustice, who are you to deny us that? there were women like you, in denial, when other women gained us the vote, the right to education, the right to higher education, the right to wear what we like, the right etc etc etc
random
I'm sure
13.03.2004 11:20
its just this kind of liberal divisive boring partonising (sorry matronising) nonsense that eats up time space and peoples will and sense of urgency, casualy deflecting good intentions and energy and eventually endlessly spliting groups into mini replicas of the picture capitalism paints for all of us.
generalisations are useless, specifics are isolated from the conditions that produced them and in the end all you acheive is moaning and resentment ... then again it semms that the great imc project is rapidly heading that way, what with spook intervention and sabotage, pc indifference and policing, narrow ideas and concepts about left leaning thinking and general inertia when it comes to talking about reality (as in what really is happening - global facist takeover).
becuase sophie doesn't feel oppressed she ain't a proper informed sista???
fantastic - go through all the mistakes the previous generations of 'resisters' did - and end up in the same place, a bunch of marginalised hippies or marketing executives with a day glow past.
fucking middle class wankers kill everything they let their hearts bleed over.
karen elliot
cool! a real cat fight
13.03.2004 11:50
nothing I love more than a few bitches getting dirty in a tangle.
more, more, pull some hair, scratch at those eyes,
maybe tear some clothes off and slap some arse!
wicked. getting hard just thinking about it.
now this thread is heating up we'll see some real gender equality whent the boyz get here.
just teasing, no gender bias here is there ?
It's bloody obvious (oops, gender biased use of laguage) that gender inequality in this country is still a major issue. Just a few minutes of observation of billboards or the papers will establish the fact. And as for the rest of the world...
steve
great another fool
13.03.2004 13:31
we are trying to do something positive down here. sophie is badly uneducated in this area, i have asked her either not to comment on something she knows so little about, or to do a bit of research first. we dont see feminists as a minority of women, whether you're active in projects to empower women or not, if you believe women have equal value to men then you're a feminist in my book. unfortunately it seems some women who have attained equality (or think they have) are very quick to stamp on the rest of us, betraying the women who worked so hard for her to have the opportunities she does.
maybe you want to deny the issues facing us in the UK, then i consider you blind. can you also deny the issues facing women - specifically women - around the world? are you that stupid? maybe certain middle class women think they have equality, because they have money in the bank or a decent job, but they need to realise they are a minority group. and heres a fact - if those women have children, or divorce, the majority of them will slip down the social ladder pretty quickly. yet men that divorce or have children dont, by and large, suffer this problem. most women find it much harder to be taken seriously or treated equally in the workplace, at every level.
i disagree with our class system, i hate it and would love to see it shattered. even within our class system, the differences of race and gender still have a huge impact on our lives. it is injustice piled upon injustice. we know there are mountains to overcome, and we intend to take on a few. if we inspire some self confidence in the women around us, if we can improve their opportunities and enable them to be heard instead of ignored, then we are doing a great job. it may be small steps, but at least we're doing SOMETHING. what are you doing?
random
so ...
13.03.2004 16:03
you make me laugh - think your changing the world by moaning about it!
men and women are different - haven't you noticed?
the problems that women face are different to that of men, but they share one very obvious similarity - the fact that capitalism attempts to trivialise and atomise their existance with shopping and division.
feel free to raise the consciousness of a few local women and then drift away as the pattern of your controled lives dictate that you return to pampering yourselves with the huge amount of productisation that are aimed diliberatly at the heart of female identity.
there is no gender equality, there can only ever be gender comprability. this involves not identifing gender inequailities, but understanding how people act when treated with respect.
capitalism dictates that men and women are exploited for what they provide and made to resent that which others provide. divide and conquer.
no one suggests that women are not maltreated by men in significantly larger numbers than vis a versa, nor that victims of the necessity that capitalism demands are at fault, nor even that raising the consciousness of women will not help stem this tide [I] just don't believe that you will acheive this with your current po faced lecturing and hectoring attitude.
and while I am sure one could endlessly debate the notion that there are only two classes - the ruled and the rulers - lets cut through the crap and call a middle class wanker a middle class wanker. we all know what this concept represents and what it sounds like.
karen elliot
whats your point?
13.03.2004 16:44
random
Gender inequality...
15.03.2004 02:32
Blokes however do not have that choice. If we want children we have to find a woman and hope she doesn't do a runner with the milk-man/woman possibly taking the kids with her.
It's not fair !
The simple reason for this phenomena is because men and women are created different...therefore if anything you should be fighting for our differences, not for "equality".
Fighting for "equality" only gets women the right to drink pints and to watch male strippers.
Bloke
bloke
15.03.2004 16:15
What makes you assume we want the right to be like men? We want equal opportunities to men, thats a totally different thing.
I personally am very happy being a woman. But I dont like the fear, prejudice, and abuse that I have to put up with. Groups of men shouting "nice tits" as you wander by, hoping that none of them comes any closer. It annoys me the way I get left out of conversations about music, movies or politics, and any of the other subjects where men talk over me, laugh or shrug off my ideas, or just plain ignore me. It really annoys me when these men then use my ideas as their own, or when i put work and effort into a project only to see the men involved congratulated while the women are overlooked. These arent isolated incidences, they happen over and over again, in different places with different people.
Im fed up of the way women are persistently disrespected. And it pains me to see the way young girls are left out of 'popular culture', except as eye candy. You're right, we are different, but that doesnt make us less valid, less interesting, less intelligent, less worthy.
random