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FASCISM, APARTHEID - THE 'ISLAMIC' WAY

Saudi Stormtrooper | 27.02.2004 21:41

Visas will not be issued for Jews. Why doesn't Israel have a similar ban on Muslims? Where is the international condemnation of Saudi fascism?

The sun and sand are guaranteed, but Club 18-30 devotees should think twice before stripping off on the beach or canoodling under the palm trees. There's no vino to slake the throats of lobster-coloured visitors, and those with a taste for wacky baccy risk getting their heads chopped off.

Saudi Arabia, normally a byword for stern and puritanical sobriety, is preparing to show the world its jollier side by issuing visas to tourists. At present they are issued only for employment, pilgrimages and other approved visits, and can be difficult to obtain.

Tourist visas will be introduced within a few weeks, officials quoted by the daily Arab News in Jeddah said.

Tourism accounts for about 9% of Saudi Arabia's GDP, but the tourists are mainly Saudis themselves.The plan to market the kingdom to foreigners is intended to create 1.5 million-2.3 million jobs by 2020.

Construction of the Prince Sultan College for tourist and hotel management began in 2001, and there are plans for 50,000 new hotel rooms.

Besides deserts and oases, Saudi Arabia has mountain ranges, several national parks and 2.7 million hectares (6.7 million acres) of forest. The Red Sea coast is one of the best places in the world for scuba diving, and bungee jumping is also said to be popular.

Plans for a timeshare complex in Mecca, with views of the Grand Mosque, were announced last year, though the city is closed to non-Muslims.

The British government continues to advise against all but essential travel to Saudi Arabia, after suicide bombings last year, and some Saudis doubt that the country is ready to cope with foreign tourists.

In December, a Briton and an American were arrested after taking diving lessons in the Red Sea, apparently suspected of planning to attack shipping.

The supreme commission for tourism's website lists those who will not be allowed in: Jews; people with Israeli stamps in their passport; "those who don't abide by the Saudi traditions concerning appearance and behaviour", and "those under the influence of alcohol".

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The page has been hidden by the Saudi neo-nazis authorities, but the page is still in Google's cache, with the URL to demonstrate the source:

 http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:IERUoQYboT8J:www.sauditourism.gov.sa/sct/indexlist.php%3Fcatid%3D39%26maincat%3DTravel_Tips%20&hl=en&start=1&ie=UTF-8

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27.02.2004 21:59

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which all goes to show

27.02.2004 22:18

that US support for the SA regime is odd considering
this is also where the sept 11 attackers came from and ought to have been the first
port of call for the avenging US army.

There is a secular resistance in Saudi that deserves support but gets
none from the west because they
are leftists by US ideological standards and even if thousands of Americans have
to die the US govt. won't support leftists.

The US need the anti-semitic undemocratic despotic Saudi regime
as an example of Moslem otherness so that they can justify support
for Israeli genocidal behaviour against Palestinians and Israels imperial
aggression across the arab world, where the abuse of Islam by elites
is actually less obvious than in Saudi.

The US supported the Muslim brotherhood against the secular
pan-arab socialist movement during the cold war and the Israeli govt supported
the openly anti-semitic HAMAS when it formed as a way of undermining the secular
marxist PLO in the 1980s. Both countries have reaped what they have planted.

To try and paint all Arabs or Moslems with the extreme culture of
the kingdom of Saudi is grossly misleading.

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actually

27.02.2004 22:26

What a load of rubbish...I myself was at the Saudi embassy a while ago getting a visa, and infront of me was an "israeli" woman with her passport getting one given to her! They only reason the government says what it says on that website is to appease the population in that it doesn't have links to the fascist zionists..in reality, the situation couldn't be more different.

Zionists are really running out of lies to spin.

dony


What rubbish

28.02.2004 00:22

Thats crap. No Israeli is officially allowed to visit Saudi Arabia. Infact Israeli's are banned from virtually all Arab states including more liberal ones like Kuwait. Unless of course you've stumbled on an Israeli official conducting secret backchannel negotiations!

Joe


Feeble criticism of this post

28.02.2004 01:26

'.' is the only person to have suggested the racist policies of Saudi Arabia reflect on all Muslims or all Arabs, I certainly didn't. Hence 'Islamic' in quotes in the title - just because the Saudis think they can try to run the religion like their own little protection racket (Saudi funded Wahhabi extremist clerics run 85% of mosques in the US, much to the fury and dismay of most of the poor worshippers, who have to listen to fascist propaganda day in day out) doesn't mean they really do.

As for Israelis being allowed into Saudi - arf! One single Israeli stamp in your passport automatically bars you from Saudi and many many other Arab states.

Saudi Stormtrooper


erm..

28.02.2004 03:08

What a feeble attempt at distracting people from israeli terrorism that yesterday resulted in the death of 2 unarmed Palestinians, and God knows how many Palestinians today.

Anyway going back to the subject at hand, I clearly saw a Jewish woman getting a visa given to her at the Saudi embassy in London. The woman herself even loudly exclaimed "i've been to israel, will I have problems at the airport?", to which the Saudi man at the desk replied "no, you are welcome", which sort of negates the whole anti-muslim propaganda of this thread.

Americans do not write what religion they are on their passports, so how could Saudis discriminate against American jews?

dony


Saudi facism and Israeli facism two sides of same coin

28.02.2004 11:02

Both countries are supported by the US. The Saudi government is hardly religious, though. They impose a tyrannical regime on the people, while importing prostitutes from the phillipines, going abroad to visit casinos and arms fairs, and wallowing in greed and sensation. They hardly represent Islam, and the fact they rule Islamic holy lands, kept in power by the US, is the ultimate slap in the face.

On the other hand, you have Israel, funded by the US, committing apartheid and killing the Palestinian people. But both these countries, Israel and Saudi, are part of the axis of imperialism, with the US as the centre of the axis.

Hermes


Triple post... you're really keen on digging this hole for yourself

28.02.2004 11:09

Saudi policy: special people only, kuffars not welcome
Saudi policy: special people only, kuffars not welcome

There's no propaganda here, the ban on Jews is the official policy of Saudi Arabia as you can clearly see from the cached official government website.

And moaning about Israel is not valid way to excuse a country of human rights abuses.

Saudi Stormtrooper


the truth

28.02.2004 13:00


Yes, Mecca in Arabia should remain a place of woship for Muslims only. Why would non-Muslims want to go there anyway apart from obviously for nefarious reasons? The rest of Saudi Arabia is open to people of all religions which I've seen with my own eyes.

On the other hand, The zionists have a whole state setup with laws for Jews only- Jews only settlements, Jews can only buy land, Jews can only use certain roads etc. If you want to fight racism, start with israel and its US funded apartheid system.

dony


More proof of Saudi gov's official policy of Jew hatred

28.02.2004 13:08

Jews barred in Saudi tourist drive
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3493448.stm

Jews barred, says Saudi government website
 http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/02/28/visa.flap/index.html

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