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The Iraqi chaos

Ana Soage | 27.02.2004 21:09 | Analysis

Demagoguery is easy. It only takes reciting a few slogans that nobody can object to: “No to war”. “No to blood for oil”. “No to the occupation”. Like every right-thinking person, I subscribe 100% to those slogans, but I also feel that life is more complicated than that. As a result, in recent times I have found myself in conflict with many of my close friends over the war against the regime of Saddam Hussein (I refuse to say “the war against Iraq”, not yet). This article, inspired by a recent visit to Iraq, is my answer to them.

As a European that has spent several years in the Arab world, my political discussions are always on two fronts: When I talk to Westerners, I explain and justify the Arab-Muslim position; when I talk to Arabs, I do likewise about the Western stand. It is an interesting intellectual exercise, but I often feel caught in the middle, perpetually defending the other side no matter who I am talking to. It is not that I’m trying to be a moderate, I don’t think that’s intellectually honest. It’s just that I feel we should always try to see both sides of the picture.

On the issue of Iraq we could sum up the positions as follows: Firstly those, mostly Western pacifists, who oppose a war launched under false pretences to hide economic interests. Nobody can argue against that, but we can ask them where they were during the 12 years of embargo, when half a million Iraqi children died as the consequence of a criminal blockade imposed by the Americans and used as propaganda by a Saddam Hussein while he and his cronies continued to enjoy the high life with articles smuggled in from neighbouring countries. Not to mention the last 35 years, when the Ba’athist regime was torturing to death hundreds of thousands of political opponents or gassing the Kurds and the Iranians.

The second group are my friends in Arab world, who perceived the collapse of that regime as a humiliation. For them, Saddam Hussein was a champion of the Arab nation and a defender of the Palestinian cause (he did grant the Palestinians some financial and moral support, cynics would say for propagandistic purposes). A common remark amongst the defenders of this stance is that the Iraqis (whom the caliph Ali characterised in a famous and often-quoted speech as “the people of hypocrisy and division”) only understand the language of force and are best ruled by merciless leaders such as Al-Hajjaj (a murderous governor from the Umayyad period) or Saddam Hussein.

For both groups, the opposition is the legitimate resistance of an occupied people; some go as far as to draw parallelisms with the situation in Palestine. However, when I listened to debates on Arabic radio in the course of the last few months I could not help but noticing that, contrary to the other contributors, the Iraqis who phoned in did not share either of the opinions expressed above and seemed to regard the war and the occupation as a lesser evil. It was partly to find out whether they where representative of the Iraqi people that I recently visited that country. In this article I talk about what I’ve heard the Iraqis say in their houses, the markets, the collective taxis… The voices of a people tired after decades of war and blockade and overwhelmed by a very unstable situation.

Let’s start by saying that the occupation is rather well tolerated by the Iraqis themselves. Many even reject outright the word “occupation” and prefer to talk of “a transitional period”. My first experience of this fact was at the border, where we were help up for over two hours when American soldiers closed it alleging an unspecified security threat. For me, the situation brought back unpleasant memories of the arbitrary measures taken by the Israeli army in the occupied territories, but I was soon explained that “this is a very rare occurrence, and there must be a legitimate reason”. All in all, the dozens if not hundreds of people waiting there seemed remarkably patient.

In the towns, the occupation is surprisingly unobtrusive. Apart from a few patrols, Baghdad looks like a normal Arab town going around its usual business (although with more than the usual share of ruined buildings). It is true that I only visited briefly the areas where the resistance operates and the American presence is more aggressive, and I am aware that abuses have been committed there. However, these cannot be compared to the behaviour of the previous regime. Heard on a bus: “They moan that the (American) soldiers enter their houses and see their women unveiled, and that this is an affront to their honour; when Uday and the mukhabarat (secret police) were kidnapping and raping our daughters nobody dared open their mouths”.

In effect, the brutality of the previous regime cannot be overstated. The Arab satellite channel Al-Arabia (not known for its pro-American sympathies) recently broadcast the documentary “The family”, an account of the reign of Saddam and his relatives. Apart from amputated ears and tongues, the film showed the nightmarish vision of dozens of people being beaten to death. After the rebellion (the Iraqis call it Intifada) that followed the Second Gulf War, which has severely repressed by Saddam’s Republican Guard while the Americans and his allies looked the other way, the security forces leaked a film showing people being cut to pieces or cooked alive; hundreds of thousands were savagely massacred.

However, a common complain of the Iraqis is that the most basic services are yet to be restored: rubbish piles up on the street, the electricity is cut off daily for hours at a time and the telephone lines are only being repaired very slowly. In a country with a centralised economy and a ubiquitous state, where a large percentage of the population worked as government employees, many have lost their jobs overnight and do not know where the next meal is coming from. The ministers in the interim government contend that their coffers are empty; all the funds were stolen by the previous government on the run. This is one of the keys to the problem: the Americans and their allies are fighting one of the richest opposition movements in history.

The people’s main concern, apart from putting food on their tables, is the high level of criminality, brought about by the collapse of the old regime and the inefficiency of the coalition forces to control the situation. Shops and government offices have been pillaged and burnt, what sounds like random shooting can be heard every night, and murders and kidnappings have become quite common. Unfortunately, the police force that the interim government is trying to set up is a favourite target of the resistance. One of the weaknesses of those who demand an early end to the occupation is that they also condemn the Iraqi police as “collaborators”; whoever, in the absence of a local police force the occupation can only perpetuate itself to prevent total chaos.

The most usual expression I’ve heard to refer to the resistance is “the Arabs” (i.e. not Iraqis), “the Wahhabites” (members of a radical Islamic sect), even “the terrorists”. The Iraqis (at least in Baghdad, where I spent most of the time, and with no perceivable difference between Sunni and Shiite, Arab or Kurdish) seem to agree that there are two kinds of opposition: The first are the Iraqi beneficiaries of the previous regime, who worked in one of the largest and most brutal security apparatus in history and were paid handsomely for their services: while most government employees’ salaries were around 3 dollars a month, they were receiving thousands. They concentrate on the famous “Sunni triangle”, especially around the town of Al-Ramadi.

The second kind of resistance is made up of volunteers from the Muslim world; it is thought that many belong to Al-Qaeda or its local subsidiaries (such as Ansar Al-Islam). These fanatics, many of them veterans of Afghanistan or Chechnya, are convinced that they are fighting for Islam and do not hesitate to die because, as martyrs, they think they will go straight to heaven. They are the perpetrators of the suicide operations that kill American soldiers, UN personnel, NGO workers and Iraqi policemen together with any innocent bystanders. One of their main aims seems to be to foment a civil war in the country in order to have a base for their activities, as was (and, to a certain extent, continues to be) the case in Afghanistan.

In a statement found recently and attributed to Az-Zarqawi, thought to be one of the leader of the Ansar al-Islam, the Iraqi Shiites (around 60% of the population) are described as “infidels”, the Sunnis as “misguided” (term used in the Koran to refer to those who do not follow the path to salvation) and the Kurds as “traitors”. Many important Shiite figures have been murdered, in what many see as an attempt to provoke them to retaliate. However, the Iraqis I have spoken reject all talk of sectarian differences; furthermore, the most respected figure of post-war Iraq, the moderate Shiite cleric Ayatollah As-Sistani, refuses the idea that the Iraqi Sunnites are behind the murders, defends the separation of religion and politics and rejects the setting up of an Islamic Shiite republic modelled on Iran.

In addition, we should not forget the interests of the neighbouring countries, especially those with Kurdish minorities, who cannot allow the setting up of any kind of freely elected, federal government. Many Iraqis accuse them of allowing the infiltration of Al-Qaeda members and other Islamic extremists, for two main reasons: a fanatic out of their country is one fanatic less to worry about, and the destabilisation of Iraq is the best way to prevent the creation of a democratic government which could inspire their own populations to ask for a similar development in their countries.

So this is the situation as I saw it. The analysis may be accused of being too simplistic, but to my mind it is rather accurate. My aim by sharing it is to make people reflect, to invite them question what they believe. And, above all, to raise my voice on behalf of a people who have suffered tremendously while the West pretended not to know what was going on because, as the old American adage goes, Saddam was “a son of a bitch, but our son of a bitch”. We have a chance to helping the Iraqis build a better future. They cannot do it on their own, because too many forces conspire against them. That is why we cannot give in to populist demands to “Bring the boys back home”. If armies can be used as a force for good, then we have a responsability to do just that. Otherwise, what is the point of having them?

Ana Soage

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Afraid to criticize

27.02.2004 21:55

My news from relatives in Iraq is that people are very afraid to criticize the occupation. Rules of the game are the same just that before it was Saddam now it is the occupation together with the people they hand picked and hand pick to lead Iraq. I believe them more then you.

Nadia


Changing people's attitudes

28.02.2004 07:01

I am originally from Iraq and have been there recently visiting my family. It looked to me that people are more afraid of the resistence than of the Americans. At present there’s about 150 parties and 180 newspapers, and they don’t hesitate to criticise the occupant. That is a very good thing. Maybe some people are still afraid because after decades of oppression they are not used to freedom of speech. You don’t change people’s attitudes overnight.

Hussein


Afraid to criticise!?

28.02.2004 07:53

I find Nadia’s comment curious, to say the least. Just to give an example, nowadays in Iraq there are demonstrations almost on a daily basis: people who demand work, support Al-Sistani, reject plans for a federation… One of the largest ones was against terrorism (see  http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/Iraq/2003/11/28/270739-ap.html or  http://www.roguetalent.com/irdemo.html).

In Saddam’s time, the only demonstrations allowed were those to support the leader, and they were not optional: students and government employees were bussed in to demonstrate, and those who did not show enough enthusiasm received a visit from the secret police.

Ali


Afraid!?

28.02.2004 08:13

I would like to reply to Nadia’s comment with a couple questions: Do people afraid to criticise found political parties that openly criticise the Americans and their allies? Do people afraid to criticise go out on demonstrations against the occupation and the interim government? I don’t think that during Saddam’s time her own family would have dared to say on the phone that people were afraid, let alone criticise the regime.

Ana Soage


...

28.02.2004 11:11

I would agree that we would have a wonderful opportunity to help the Iraqi people rebuild their country

IF

those people doing the occupation and running the show had the Iraqi's best interests at heart and NOT their own financial reasons.

We are busy privatising everything in Iraq, the US is buying up the whole country

Before we start running around the world bombing countries with tyranical leaders, we need to deal with the fact that our own countries and our own part of the world is very sick, and run by corporate warlords who cause untold suffering across the globe in the name of profit.

If we only went into Iraq because Saddam is a tyrant, why are we allied with Saudi, Uzbekistan, any number of other, maybe even worse tyrants?

To say that we can make the Iraq better, on behalf of the Iraqi people, is patronising and racist, when we cannot even sort out what is going on in our part of the world.

Hermes


Against economical occupation

28.02.2004 13:28

Hussain
>Maybe some people are still afraid because after decades of oppression they are not used to freedom of speech. You don’t change people’s attitudes overnight.

So true comment and together with being afraid to be labelled pro-Saddam when infact they are just against the political and economical occupation and that getting rid of Saddam and promoting democracy could have been done without bombing Iraq into peaces.

Nadia


Reply to Hermes

28.02.2004 19:32

I expected the kind of reactions I’m getting from people I would normally tend to agree with on most issues. Never mind, I wrote the article to tell what I saw and what I heard, not to be popular – I would just ask that my arguments be taken seriously.

However, I do take exception to being labelled a “racist”. I am not going to bore you with my CV; I’ll just say that I love the Arab world, where I have lived several times, I have learnt the language and I’ve done plenty of voluntary work, particularly in Palestine. At some historical junctures certain countries need help, and that’s nothing to be ashamed of. In my case, I offered skills that were not available there. Is that “patronising” as well?

Also, I find it bizarre that people interpret what I write as support for the Americans. I never said that war was the best way of getting rid of Saddam, but I do believe that it became the only way. The Iraqis themselves could have probably done it in 1991, but back then the Americans and their allies allowed the Republican Guard to crush the popular uprising. At the time, it was more convenient to leave the tyrant in place.

And the fact is, it is done. “We” have toppled Saddam, and that is a good thing. So why do people like you, who opposed the war, suggest we do now? Pull out and leave the country sink into anarchy and civil war? Let it turn into another Al-Qaeda base? Because, believe it or not, they are there, and saying it does not make me pro-American.

Yes, “we” messed up the country, but not just with this war. The previous decades of unconditional support for Saddam, of ignoring his human rights abuses, of imposing a blockade that only hurt his people are nothing to feel proud about. But if our armies can help build a better future, it is irresponsible and even selfish to demand their withdrawal.

Yes, the Americans and their allies are getting all the fat contracts and that’s regrettable. But under the nepotistic regime of Saddam, the Iraqi people were not enjoying the benefits of their country’s wealth anyway, and the new distribution will probably be better – in any case, it cannot be worst. And the same goes for any regime that the Iraqis (with our help, because partly thanks to us they can’t do without it right now) put in place.

Ana Soage


Ana

28.02.2004 20:56

Actually a very many anti-war activists did not turn a blind eye
to Saddam when the US and UK supported and armed him, or to
over a decade of sanctions that killed 500'000 children, and for you to
suggest this is misleading.Many peace activists broke the sanctions to
take in medicines and aid and were even prosecuted for doing so,

You also ignore the deplorable 20th century history of
British and American manipulations of Iraqi
internal politics which are within living memory of many
Iraqis and took the form of turning different
Islamic communities against each other.

If the reason to go to war was only to topple Saddam
I do not believe this could not have been done by the usual
CIA backed Coup operation that they are so well trained in and
without the deaths (so far) of over TEN THOUSAND!
Iraqi civilians with billions of dollars of bombs .

It has to be clear from this that the invasion was about conquest and plunder
and not humanitarian liberation as you try to make out.In one word-Haliburton!

The occupation of Iraq should end now and Iraqis themselves should
be able to determine for themselves how to deal with the security problems of their country in a free and democratic manner.

As was written on the new (and tacky) Freedom statue that replaced the toppled statue of Saddam in the US staged theatrical media event.

Thanks For That
Now Please Go Home

Anti-Imperialist


The word is 'if'

28.02.2004 23:14

The critical part of your post is

'If armies can be used as a force for good, then we have a responsability to do just that. Otherwise, what is the point of having them?'

But the agenda was never to use our armies as a force for good, but to conquer Iraq for geopolitical and economic reasons. Its all fine to say 'If George Bush is a kind and honest man, wanting to selflessly serve the world and bring peace and happiness to the world, then we have a responsibility to help him'.
But that is not what he is, and that is not what he wants. Don't live in a fantasy world. I am not naive over what Saddam has done, but neither am I naive with regards to the actions and intentions of my own country.

Maybe if we controlled the armies, things would be different, and we would feel responsible for using them for 'good'. But remember the old saying 'power corrupts'. But the reality is that the armies are in the hands of greedy, ignorant interests. And so the position of the Iraqi people will not get any better as a consequence of what they do. What WE can do, to make things better, is to change things in our own country, so that more positive values dominate our society. And then we will possess a benevolent foreign policy as well. But we are an imperialist power, with an imperialist agenda, and I don't expect our conquest of Iraq to do the Iraqi people any good.

I don't mean to call you a racist. But I feel you have blinkers on with regards to the intentions of our own government, even if you have benign intentions. Those in charge are not like you. The armies are not representing your interests.

Hermes


I would also just ask that my arguments be taken seriously.

29.02.2004 16:26

Ana Soage

You mention that “On the issue of Iraq we could sum up the positions as follows: Firstly those, mostly Western pacifists, who oppose a war launched under false pretences to hide economic interests… but we can ask them where they were during the 12 years of embargo… Not to mention the last 35 years…The second group are my friends in Arab world, who perceived the collapse of that regime as a humiliation.”

Why do you leave the most obvious group out?
The third group is Bush, his team, allies, corporate supporters and people who supported a war launched under the pretences of noble war to free the Iraq people. And why not ask them where they were during the 12 years of embargo, when half a million Iraqi children died? Not to mention the last 35 years?


Why do you choose words like “propaganda by Saddam Hussain”, “torturing”, “death” and “gassing” in the same paragraph as those who oppose the war?


>”The second group are my friends in Arab world, who perceived the collapse of that regime as a humiliation”.

Why belittle their concerns about what was going on in Iraq? Arabs, Asians, South Americans and Africans have first hand experiences when it comes to US-interventions.


You ask the peace movement “but we can ask them where they were during the 12 years of embargo… Not to mention the last 35 years”.
The peace movement have been active for many years as (Anti-Imperialist) wrote to you too. I am very surprised that you don’t know about that already.


>1)“I am aware that abuses have been committed there. However, these cannot be compared to the behaviour of the previous regime”
>2)”Yes, the Americans and their allies are getting all the fat contracts and that’s regrettable. But under the nepotistic regime of Saddam, the Iraqi people were not enjoying the benefits of their country’s wealth anyway, and the new distribution will probably be better – in any case, it cannot be worst. And the same goes for any regime that the Iraqis put in place.”

Why do you choose to justify the American and its allies “abuses” and “fat contracts” like that?
Your view is that the Americans and all it’s allies in Iraq can commit “abuses”, to be “aggressive” and to steal most of Iraq’s country’s wealth; as long as they do it less bad then Saddam.
I have heard that justification before and if that is the view of people in charge of Iraq at the moment well then Iraq is headed to yet another ruin.


> “while most government employees’ salaries were around 3 dollars a month”.
Examples like this were during the sanctions. Not before.


> “Iraqi people were not enjoying the benefits of their country’s wealth anyway”.
During the years I lived in Iraq before the first Gulf war university studies was free and hospital visit was almost free too. Just a simple fact for those who did not know.


> “the security forces leaked a film showing people being cut to pieces or cooked alive” Please give me full reference to this, I want to check it out. Still with so many well documented horrible brutalities and massacres by Saddam there are also a lot of “spicing up” going on. So I need your reference to “a film showing people cut to pieces or cooked alive”.


>“…neighbouring countries…, and the destabilisation of Iraq is the best way to prevent the creation of a democratic government which could inspire their own populations to ask for a similar development in their countries.”.
That is true but one thing that is important to take note of is that a destabilised Iraq will also give the US-administration and it’s allies time to eliminate the chances of an anti US-foreign policy government being democratically elected. They know that there are a lot of Iraqis who are happy Saddam is gone and at the same time very well aware of the double standards and hypocrisy of US-foreign policy.


>”I never said that war was the best way of getting rid of Saddam, but I do believe that it became the only way.”

No it was not the only way. Lifting the sanctions, with continuing UN weapon inspection and doing this:
- Stronger backing for non-government groups working for freer elections
- Urging freedom of the press
- End to restrictions and harassment of those working to promote human right and civil society.
Just a simple thing as backing Iraqis to visit northern Iraq in the Kurdish area to see what can be achieved when Saddam is not controlling would have had enormous positive impact on Iraqis. All this was never ever given a chance.


>”So why do people like you, who opposed the war, suggest we do now? Pull out and leave the country sink into anarchy and civil war? Let it turn into another Al-Qaeda base?”

Are you really serious here is that your view of the peace movement?
Why don’t we start by doing the following first:
- US troops out now as it is replaced by genuine UN forces managed by the UN.
- End the occupation.
- United Nations helps the Iraqis with preparing for elections, constitution writing etc.
- The new elected Iraqi government should dishonour all the contracts (political, economical and business) made on its behalf by the US administration and unelected Iraqis.
- Iraqis should be given the chance to build their own county

Nadia


Horror movie

29.02.2004 17:08

Dear Nadia,

Unfortunately, I saw the video Anna mentions. We were told that it had been leaked, but we knew that it had been distributed by the mukhabarat to terrorize us. It was horrific, worst than anything you can imagine. After watching it, when anyone (even a friend, even a foreigner, even when I was abroad) asked me what I thought of Saddam, I said: “He’s our beloved president, may God grant him a long life”.

Near my house in Baghdad there is some graffiti on the wall. It reads: “alf amriki ahsan min wahed tikriti” – a thousand Americans are better than one from Tikrit (Saddam’s hometown). I subscribe to that.

Ali


We are on the same side

29.02.2004 19:55

Dear Nadia,

First of all, I would like to remind you that we are on the same side. Contrary to what you may think, I feel closer to you than to Rumsfeld!! I’m planning to go back to Iraq to work for an NGO, and I guess you’d like to be able to go back some day and lead a normal life there. I’m not your enemy, for God’s sake. We just have different views on the way forward.

About your suggestion to end the occupation and send in a UN force, I seem to remember that the UN was thrown out of Iraq by Al-Qaeda and Annan has politely refused to go back in. We were all hoping he would agree, but in the current circumstances it is not surprising he didn’t. He’s a politician, too, and doesn’t want to see his blue helmets being massacred.

Also, I am well aware of the activities of the peace movement. In fact I’ve been a part of it. Regrettably, we have to admit our own limitations. Most people are quite apathetic about what happens in other places of the world unless their country’s army is involved or they see people dying on TV. I was against the embargo, I wrote petitions against it, I demonstrated. It didn’t work, did it?

I would also like to clarify that I’m not American, I’m Spanish. My article was partly prompted by recent demonstrations in Spain to urge the government to pull out our troops. I’ve read reports in the Iraqi press about the work being carried out by the Spanish soldiers, particularly assisting the Iraqi police in fighting crime (I’m talking about murders and kidnappings, which as you may know have become rife), and I think they’re doing a good job and should stay.

PS. About the film, I never saw it but I’ve been told about it by several separate sources. The details I was given were pretty graphic, and I have no reason to believe they were lying.

Ana Soage


Horror film

29.02.2004 22:44

I saw a film shot during the Intifada. It shows former deputy prime minister Mohammed Hamza Al-Zubeidi and the Republican Guard torturing and massacring people. Everybody knows about it in Iraq.

Iraqi patriot


Jumping from ashes to fire

01.03.2004 13:48

Dear Ali
>”Near my house in Baghdad there is some graffiti on the wall. It reads: “alf amriki ahsan min wahed tikriti” – a thousand Americans are better than one from Tikrit (Saddam’s hometown). I subscribe to that.”

I don’t subscribe to that. For me it’s like jumping from ashes to fire.

Nadia


Common sense

01.03.2004 14:05

Ana
> About the film, I never saw it but I’ve been told about it by several separate sources. The details I was given were pretty graphic, and I have no reason to believe they were lying.

You see I know Saddam regime did horrible thing but as I said even though there is lots of “spicing up” going on. These have very serious consequences for the real true victim’s stories being left out or not good enough to report. Picture this “Oh so you only had your ears cut of that’s nothing compared to the story I heard about the people in the shredding machine”.  http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1155546,00.html.

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>“Annan ….He’s a politician, too, and doesn’t want to see his blue helmets being massacred.”
I think it is that the UN can not support an occupation administration.

>We are on the same side
I am sorry Ana but almost all your view regarding Iraq here have been closer to Rumsfeld then to my views as an Iraq woman.

>I’m not your enemy, for God’s sake
Never said you where either. You here have chosen to interpret my disagreement that way not I.
***********
On the 29th of Feb. you wrote this:
>”Also, I am well aware of the activities of the peace movement. In fact I’ve been a part of it.
…I was against the embargo, I wrote petitions against it, I demonstrated.”

And on the 27th of Feb. you wrote this:
“…Western pacifists, who oppose a war…,… we can ask them where they were during the 12 years of embargo…?”

What more can I say then I have difficulties making any sense out of these two comments?!!

Nadia


Yet another massacre of the "resistance"

02.03.2004 18:34

Nadia,

I wasn’t going to answer – I could see no point, since you only take things out of context and ignore anything that does not fit with what you want to say – for instance, Ali’s claim that he saw that famous video, too. By the way, it’s encouraging to see that Iraqis who actually live in Iraq tend to agree with what I wrote. I didn’t make it up, you see. I talked to a lot of people, I listened to what they had to say, and I thought I had a responsibility to convey their opinion.

However, after today’s massacres I just can’t stay silent. I notice that you haven’t mentioned Al Qaeda in any of your messages. I guess it complicates your “analysis”. Can’t you see they’re trying to provoke a civil war in your country? Don’t you care? Stop talking about the past, or living in cloud-cuckoo land. Think about what Iraq needs now (and don’t say “the UN”, we all know that Annan will not be sending in the blue helmets any time soon). You’re too busy criticising the coalition forces to think of the consequences of their withdrawal.

About your last comment, I don’t have anything to prove to anybody, and I bet I have done a hell of a lot more for the Arab world than you have, sitting comfortably in some Western state (maybe even the US, who knows). I was part of the peace movement, and I am quite sure that we, the people campaigning to end the embargo, were quite a few less than the millions who demonstrated against the war. It was their shallow, out-of-sight-out-of-mind attitude I was attacking. Anybody with a bit of good faith would have understood.

Ana Soage


The lie of "seeing both points of view"

15.03.2004 08:55

I have read the Soage article "Chaos in Iraq" carefully over a week or so. She starts by claiming to have BOTH eyes open and is seeing both points of view. She argues one view to Arab friends and another to her Western friends each to try to help them see the "other" point of view. Well who does she think she is talking to in this article?

My view is this article is simply a pro- occupation position. She says the same things as conservatives I have been debating with from the beginning. They have simply shifted to try to capture the middle ground because the hard line is no longer appropriate. The people who were advocating an invasion are now pleading for peace. "For God's sake give the Iraqis a chance" they plead with any resistance. How convenient that for the occupation forces.

In any war there are huge areas and long time periods in which no fighting occurs. Evenb in wars like the Vietnam war even the soldiers had long periods of deadening boredom and a mere few minutes here and there of rapid action and incredible fear. An enemy strikes strategically here or there in ways such that things cannot really work properly, people cannot say not much is happening. Just because areas the writer stayed were peaceful does not mean there wasn't much resistance. And just because a Westerner gets the positive comments for the Occupation, does she really believe those who are hostile are necesarily going to tell her.

In short the writer is not really on both sides of this occupation as she claims to be. She is clearly FOR the standard occupation point of view. The once hard line invaders now say things like this writer. She has either been sucked in by them, or is really one of them.
Jan

Jan


Response to Jan

19.03.2004 21:14

Jan, your remarks suggest to me that you may have read my article, but you haven’t read my responses to other comments. I am not going to repeat myself, so I refer to what I’ve already written.

I don’t have a clue what the American Conservatives are saying, and I couldn’t care less. I don’t read the American press, it doesn’t inspire me any confidence. As I’ve already written, I’m Spanish – and, believe it or not, I’ve voted for Zapatero. But I do try to decide for myself, and I’m wise – and humble – enough to change my mind if needs be.

Also, you don’t seem to be familiar about the situation in Iraq right now. People there are finally able to talk freely, they've set up over a hundred political parties, they can go out and demonstrate… In a word, they’re not afraid anymore. I speak Arabic fluently, so I could listen to what they were saying (on the bus, in the markets). And, being a woman, I had access to what women have to say, too.

In fact, I wish people like you were able to listen to the Iraqis who phone in to take part in radio debates. Although maybe you’re so entrenched in your position that you’d say that they’re “for the standard occupation point or view” too.

Ana Soage