Don't forget the Resist G8 discussion board on the enrager.net forums!

Here's the direct link for the enrager.net forum for discussion about the G8.

 http://enrager.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=67

For anyone interested there's a pretty good set of minutes from the last Dissent gathering available online by following the following link.

 http://enrager.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1118

I wonder if you discussed such things as the fact that over 40% of people in this country have problems with accessing a dentist, (see the latest news form Scarborough where over 2000 people qued up for one.) That thousands of pensioners die every year from poverty/fuel poverty, that young people cannot afford to buy their first houses or get a decent council house as the yuppies and speculators move in (see Mike lanes posts).
That the disabled are being shafted every day by the DWP.

Maybe , these issues are too real, it’s easier to do direct action for the ‘environment’ or against abstractions such as ‘capitalism. I was there at the start of the UK A/C movement in 94: M11, CJA, RTS, J18 etc and to be honest, while there are some well meaning people involved, I have had my my fill of it now. Only by turning your attention to everyday problems will you get any respect or support from the wider public. I’m not really sure that that is wanted though. Maybe the Independent Working class Association (IWCA) can do some of this though.

Get real, fight for your neighbours , not against
smoke and mirrors.

Woodman, your comments lead me to believe that you are looking no further than the end of your road. If you think that fighting for better disabled access or for higher fuel allowance is more important than the damage that is being done to the world by the G8 then there is something wrong. The G8 force smaller developing countries to sign their contracts/agreements which screw the country over, millions of people end up in poverty because of this. When i say poverty i mean real poverty not the home made poverty in the UK (that is nothing like poverty).

You need to get glasses my friend, that way you might see the bigger picture.

So it doesnt matter that pensioners die of the cold in this country then, Fredrico, or that the life span of working class people in sink estates is much less that in affluent areas! I wonder what your background is Fredirico? I remember in the eighties people campaigning for Nicaragua, S.Africa,etc, then a few years later, getting cushy jobs and disappearing from the fight. I think you are perhaps the myopic one: if you do not gain the support of the great mass of people here in the U.K, how can you convince them that there are even worse horrors around the world like Aids, Starvation, genocide etc. Like I said, despite some brilliant people, I think many of the Dissenters are happy to be a small elite and covert network which rarely engages with working class or ordinary people.Even the name of the group, (while having a proud heritage) will alienate thousands who otherwise may have got involved.

...the media say. It is a well known fact. Whatever we do as activists is generally downplayed or ignored by the media. If we go on demo's and campaign to try to change our 'democracy' we are doing little more than supporting it? How can someone promote a more anarchistic society if we just support small changes within this incorrectly-functioning one. People will always be poorer, pensioners will always be poor too, that is the nature of capitilism.

I still feel that in order to combat problems, getting the mass of people on our side will not be easy. Try saying to someone that we should live as anarchists? The way the media has painted anarchy, they would think you were a murderer or psycho.

BTW. These are my views not Dissent! or anyone elses.