Well I hope you had fun selling newspapers as you infiltrated. The obvious explanation which springs to the mind of anyone who visits your site -- with its jeering tone -- is that you are being run by the British state (and probably were all along).

Frightened aren't you about all the movement that's going on these days? Particularly the younguns, better scare them off! Well its the 2 million people who marched on February 15 who neither belong to (nor are afraid of ) the people who like to wave red/black flags and sell newspapers, that you need to worry about

The other possibility since the tasteful name you gave to the Yahoo webspace for Left-groups.co.uk is

 http://site.yahoo.net/jewishsport

is that you have some Far Right origin. Of course, given the kind of people who end up in the lower echelons of the security services, there might be an overlap between the two.

That Betar background piece is good:
 http://site.yahoo.net/jewishsport/betar.html

Not everyone will like your site of course. Ms. RCG above seems to be unhappy with your take on Stalinism:
 http://site.yahoo.net/jewishsport/revcomgroupr.html
 http://site.yahoo.net/jewishsport/stalgroup.html

Never mind.

Dave, you've been indoors too long today. I know they are overworking you down in London but all the same. You're completely implausible.

Re: my comments. I don't think I commented on the treatment of 'stalinism', 'anarchism' or anything else. In general the tone was sneering, and the spirit of the enterprise was a destructive one. It was not a conversation among friends making fun of other friends.

Yeah, it is the usual kind of transparent disinfo operation cooked up by the second-rate types who end up in these government jobs.

For the rest of you
"Jewishsport" seems a rather strange name to give to the Yahoo webspace containing this material no?

I've never seen groups labelled and rated in a way like that - quite amusing. As for the number of members, I'd say that they're probably wrong in quite a number of areas. Earth First!, IMO seems to consist of a lot of highly organised activists, who might well fit into the anarchist group. Most anarchists (and this is my own opinion) don't belong to any of the groups mentioned; anarchists pick and choose which groups or platforms to engage with, and many groups are temporary. Its probably better to look at it from a perspective of networks than numbers 'belonging' to a group. Also, does the Green Party really only have 3000 members? They do pretty well for themselves if that really is the case (having MEPs and a number of council seats).

That's just WEIRD.

Who the fuck are those guys?

And it's got to be the most badly written thing I've read by anyone whose first language is english.

It all reads like the sanitized, deliberately roughed-up and smoothed-off ,version of something which some part of the British state has generated. Almost a kind of birdspotter's guide for the new intake to the Special Branch? Or a 'soft' version of Redwatch.

I don't think they realized that the name they game for their webspace ("Jewishsport") would show up when people clicked on the links on their site. I suspect it was an 'inside joke' which they didn't realize would show up. Most peculiar. As for "Dave"-- pushing us on to the weblink for the 'Betar' page -- almost hoping to push some dirt over their mess, but only making the hole deeper

But as someone else noted, they are essentially hostile to the left. No broad-left, "lets pull it all in to one movement" sympathy here

'Are you you new to the Left-Wing movement (odd use of the hyphen, eh Ozymandias? Makes you think that they thing their might be a Centre-Forward movement around somewhere)-- their banner reads, 'Do you have strong beliefs about making this unequal society a better place?' -- Then BEWARE because because the left-wing movement is divided, disorganised, sectarian and may drive you crazy.................."

Well, erm, maybe no. It might just make you rather saner than the average Joe. Certainly more healthy than the apathetic. And where have they been in the last year, in which the organized left has made a fairly massive impact on public life, serving as a nucleus around which millions of people fought the war.

It does attempt to mask itself with its guff about "thousands of radicals who in theory could unite to fight against the oppression, poverty and social alienation which capitalism creates"; and its two feature articles on "Betar- Jewish Fascist Group" and "What to do with the Monarchy". But once you leave the front end, it is quite transparent in its hostility to all of the organizations it discusses in its clumsy way.

One learns some bizarre things, such as "Around 90% left-wing people have at one point been a member of the SWP or been to their meetings"- did they do a questionaire, how the fuck do they know that? (I know armies of Leftwing people and none of them have had any contact with the SWP except sharing space with them at demonstrations). From their CPGB page I learned that "The ‘Weekly Worker,’ which is amongst the most popular publication in the left-wing movement"-- huh? I would have thought that the Bournemouth Pigeon-Fanciers Gazette probably has a higher circulation. The SPGB page does read as if was written by a non-native speaker of English (or just a victim of an ineffective British school), we are told that "They are very much a marxist group with Marx and Engel’s faces appearing on their literature and the colour red everywhere. They are socialist is a very real sense and strongly critize both Lenin and Trotsky." Class War, apparently produces very "affective" material.

It all reeks of some of the less talented employees of the state.

So what's it all for? Surely the old "split and wreck" game. They don't like 300,000 people mobilized in London on a weekday, they don't like schoolchildren around the country discovering politics, they don't like 2 million people against the government. So (1) you try to warn off any teenagers etc. who might be drifting in to one organization or the other, (2) you try to set the parties and organizations fighting among each other, (3) you try to break the vibe.

You stupid boys, 'honi soit qui mal y pense'

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Posted by Lou on November 09, 1997 at 18:19:29:
In Reply to: To Toni: Continuation of the 'Shaul/Sheol?' Discussion posted by D'vorah on November 09, 1997 at 14:22:45:

Shalom everybody...
Did anybody picked on HaMelech Shlomo BenDavid, yet! oker
The testimony of his lifestyle is not something to look forward to in a national leader... Yet, he wrote part of the Tanakh!...
Should we disqualify his writings...?
Shavua tov!
Lou

Taken from:  http://www.eliyah.com/forum/messages/2686.html

stranger and stranger ..

see ya

The Tanakh 'holy scriptures' -  http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Bible/jpstoc.html

Sssh . whoever created the left-groups site ain't no anarchist.

This is hilarious. You morons think you've tracked down the owner of the site, one "Shlomo BenDavid", by the cunning use of a whois lookup.

Then you think you've tracked him to an organisation called Tanakh, which you googled for and found some Zionist site in the US.

"Shlomo BenDavid" is Hebrew for "Solomon, son of David". "HaMelech" means "king". Connect the dots: King Solomon, from the Bible. Do you reckon THAT'S who's running the left-groups website? The real author's probably laughing his arse off at you idiots right now.

The Tanakh is simply the Bible, in Hebrew, the first several books of what a Christian would call the Old Testament.

And from this you conclude that the author is a right-wing Jew! It must be a Jewish Conspiracy! :-)

hey BILL,

Blame me I wuz BoReD : )

I'd be very dubious about this site.

It clearly hasn't been written by anyone that has spent any time in the Trotskite movement. There is a paucity of info on most of the groups or the interactions between them. Some of the info is just plain wrong.

If you are really bothered about this sort of stuff just hang around the usual sparing haunts and you will learn more than you would ever want to know.

Why dubious...? There is just the faintest wiff of redwatch about it...

Br , Skeletonkey, whoever did this did know that we would be able to look the registerer of the website. That, like the prominent placing of the Betar page, is a red herring. These guys are armed with foreskins. This is the British state's lesser functionaries playing games.

if you are thinking of joining a left group and using this site to gain insight to an organisation then this is totally shite site .

i am not sure but i think this site has been compilied by the AWL. who would possibly give 5/5 for openmindedness for the AWL. this is the organisation whom agrued for none co-operation with muslim groups when stopping the war (they argued that muslims are more likely to be fundermentalist and terrorist).despite holding the biggest demo in history including the mass particiaption from the muslims community, the awl still insist that it was a wrong statergy to include brothers and sisters from muslim backgrounds. AWL have made no contribution to the anti-war movement, they should be judge by there bankcrupt policy, inactivity and blinkered approach.


history has proved them wrong. ok we all make mistakes but lets learn from them. left-group is bais and is basically bollocks.

'Redletter', if you are not one of these would-be shitestirrers yourself trying to flog one of the stinking red herrings, then you are fairly gullible.

The site is hostile to all of the communities of dissent, and it is most unhelpful to pick up even a thread of it. That is precisely the stupid internecine cannibalistic crabs-in-a-barrel game they want us to play.

I love Trolling I love Trolling I love Trolling and I love to Troll

as a friend rightly said, the internet is full of lies, the truth is often hidden away in the real world