Can you provide a link to the mysterious NJ chapter of ISM its not linked on the ISM website, and doesn't come up in google. I haven't yet worked out how to link to your imagination yet either.

Theres nothing about this liar who is supposed to have phoned ISM on the link you posted yet either.

Heres a link to the last time this unimaginative, unproven piece of garbage appeared:

 http://indymedia.org.il/imc/webcast/60402.html

Ho hum. Dan couldn't answer the questions that time either.

Wasn't it Israel that tried to paint a freelance journalist as a terrorist.

First we are supposed to believe that all Palestinians are terrorists, then we were supposed to believe that all muslims are terrorists, and now we're supposed to believe that all Europeans are terrorists.

Only, theres nothing to bear out those "facts" either.

Ho hum.

I read the link carefully. It does say it is opposed to the existence of Israel, ans seems to want a single state in the area with all people equal under the law.

Too late, I think. Too much hatred on both sides.

But the important point is - I can see no sign of any official (or even unofficial) links to the ISM movement.

This means that we have to assume this posting is a malicious attempt to blacken the name of the ISM.
Maybe it should be hidden, on the basis that some superficial readers may be misled ?

-nowhere do they claim to be ISM, and they don't even recruit Internationals for ISM.

Its a load of rubbish Dan!

What a surprise.

So, any momney on what name Dan will use for his next baseless attack on ISM?

Proof the ISM is in league with terrorists

A recent demonstration serves as an example of the close cooperation between the ISM and the terrorist groups. The announcement read, "Join the ISM, the Palestinian National and Islamic Forces and the Apartheid Wall Defense Committee on Thursday July 3 to block construction of the Apartheid Wall that will completely isolate three villages in the Tulkarem region: Nazlit Issa, Baqa Sharqiya, and Nazlit Abu Nar from the rest of the Palestinian villages."

 http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0307/S00022.htm

The 'National and Islamic Forces' ISM members are asked to join:

Following is the statement issued by the National and Islamic Forces on February 10, 2001; signatories are: Palestinian National Liberation Movement (Fateh); Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP); Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas); Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP); Palestinian People’s Party (PPP); Palestinian Democratic Union (FIDA); Palestinian Popular Struggle Front; Palestinian Liberation Front; Islamic Jihad Movement; Arab Liberation Front; Palestinian Arab Front; Popular Front—General Command; Islamic National Salvation Party; and Popular Liberation War Pioneers (Sa’iqa):

 http://www.jmcc.org/banner/banner1/bayan/aqsbayan14.htm

Hamas and Islamic Jihad being the two best known terrorist groups in that list.

Oooops! So the ISM do co-ordinate operations with Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and do co-operate with terrorists.

Why don't the ISM stop lying and just admit they are supporters and facilitators of violence against civilians? They would have more credibility if they were honest about it, and it's not as if anyone's stupid enough to think otherwise.

Well in my experience the ISM have totally distanced themselves from solidarity organisations in Britain that express any open support for the armed struggle.

But whatever the ISM thinks, surely the destruction of the Zionist-fascist-apartheid state is a very worthy aim, as was the destruction of apartheid South Africa. Lets not be mealy mouthed and let the Zionists make "destruction of Israel" into such a big taboo. Surely the destruction of fascism and racism is a good thing.

"In this 6 week campaign – July 1 through August 15, 2003, Palestinians are demanding their basic right to freedom of movement and will utilize nonviolent, direct-action to highlight, confront and challenge Israeli's brutal occupation policies that lock them in their homes, denying them the right to travel freely to home, work and school"

Why not ignore the bits you don't like eh AYC?

It is your policy to divide and rule, it is ISMs to work towards uniting as many people as people under the banner of non-violent direct action to take on the brutality of the Occupation.

I would remind you that pro-Israel propagandists have been working hard to paint all Palestinians as terrorists, and more recently to add to that list tho0se Internationals who are there to promote non-violent resistance.

This thread is an example of your attempts to do that.

I take it then that ISM really scares you, and that you are out to discredit them in the same waythat you have discredited ordinary Palestinian people, in order to try and quell the outcry about the brutal repression, land thefts, slaughter of innocents and policies of economic strangulation that continue despite Sharon's pretence at being a "man of peace" these days.

Is it cos you're scared that the truth is coming becoming more and more apparent to the rest of the world?

ISM is not sectarian, it works hard to be seen to be avoiding strong links with any particular political group or groups. It exists to oppose the illegal Israeli occupation, not to play out the Israeli's attempts to divide and conquer.

End the Occupation and it won't even be an issue anymore.

... your running scared.

The constant, intellectually infantile attempts by you on this and other sites to run down any and all opposition to the facist apartheid state of israel, is a failure.

The fact that huge amounts of people from across the faith board and political spectrum, now see the racism and the just plain nasty selfish attidude of the ruling elite and their bleeting sheep-like supporters for what it is, drives you mad.

You can't stand the fact that at every turn, your arguments are ripped apart examined and left out to dry.

So you play the only two cards you have left (or at least know how to use): the victim ... poor little israel, everybody hates us because they hate[full stop]: shoot the messenger.

Do you really think that you can continue to manufacture the evidence and spin it in ever decreasing self-referencial, hysterical circles, and not have anybody notice?

The destruction of the zionist state of israel is enivitable. Only some - many - want to see that as a political process - ie without bloodshed.

Those who would see it as the collective punishment and death of all jews are not welcome here - and you know it. That is why you are running scared.

The shitty little mentality that produced this shitty little state is the target - in just the same way that the target in south africa was the stupid, tired nonsense from a bygone age that thought it could define a scientific rationalisation for racism.

Call your self what you like, believe what you like - you are still just 23 + 23 chromosomes and can breed with any other 46 nucleic stranded beast ... the same as me and everybody else on this planet. Get over it. You ain't special or choosen.

If you haven't got the grace or the heart to treat people as equals that is your problem. Stop projecting it on to the world.

Not intrested in your ex-post facto rationalisations as to why you have to steal oppress and lie:

israel stole the land
israel terrorised the people who used the land

... no amount of spin or appeals for special tratment will change those facts.

Yes a lot of the oppostion to israel and israelis is violent and bigoted - do your words and actions add to it, or are they for peace and justice?

You have the choice to change your opinions and to act out of a common humanity if you choose ... no body can make you. But don't expect anybody to lie down and let your facist boots walk all over them.

Blah blah blah ... hates jews ... blah blah blah ... they hate us because we are choosen ... blah blah blah.

BORING.

As was proven by yesterdays reception for Sharon in London, Zionists are losing the propaganda battle. Demolishing peoples homes, shelling schools...it's hard to portray these actions as a the resxponse of a peace loving state...hence all these bullshit postings...what next? - "Hitler running the ISM".

dan and his crew work to a programme they come out with a series of articles and there is a definate pattern to their postings and comments. I have posted a fair bit of pro palestine stuff on IMC UK and I have studied the response. Electronic Intifada stuff is completely ignorednad and you never hear a squeak from them, even if the article is hard hitting .
Other stuff gets ambushed by a gang of them, Josh, buzzbee, Dan and co .
i have said it before and I'll say it again i reckon that they are one or two people from
and they are part of a team with clearly defined plans and tactix ..
The are expert spin doctors and bend and distort fact into fiction and vice versa as easy as Uri geller bends cutlery .. like one of the previous comments said they are running scared but let's wait until they start pointing their nukes at us to see who is scared,
they mean mean business and they are well tooled up for it ...

It is hard to believe that any pro-Israeli could be so stupid as to damage their cause as he has done in his two postings here.

To baldly state "X is true, and here are the links to prove it", when any five-year-old can see the links do not even suggest anything of the sort, let alone provide proof !

What he is in effect saying is:
"I support Israeli actions, but I believe that to do this publicly I need to transparently lie, cheat, and deceive".

It really is very heartening to see increasing signs of such desperation. The tide has turned at last.

Unless of course he is indeed trying to discredit them. Which is it, Dan ? Come on - confess !

PS: You will note my first comment was fairly restrained. But when he just did it again, and worse, I lost patience. Thats what I mean by damaging his cause.