Seems trainee Indymedia censor hid my posting just for a practice
freddie | 07.07.2003 21:59
In general I support the right of our censors here to hide whatever they choose. But when I tried to find why a posting of mine had been hidden, I found to my amazement that it had been almost randomly chosen to be used as the example in a "censorship tutorial" for a newbie censor.
If you ever wondered how the IndymediaUK censorship process works, have a look at
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-features/2003-July/004124.html
for an example of what seems to me an irresponsible training exercise which eliminated a posting of mine without any proper consideration.
I didn't really want to post to the newswire with a complaint, so I just added a comment to the posting in question, in the hope of getting a response. None has been forthcoming, so I am now hoping this full posting will elicit a response.
My posting was not hidden entirely. Just the summary remains, with the actual posting erased.
You can have a look at
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/07/273551.html
I can't tell you what I actually said because the link to read deleted postings, as given on
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/static/editorial.html
appears to have been broken since this incident.
Here are the details :
I was puzzled that my posting has been radically curtailed, with the summary showing, but with the posting itself disappeared (hidden ?).
To investigate, I first clicked to view hidden postings. The link seems to be broken.
I then looked in the features list, and found this:
Jul 03 12:13:08 ok let's try and find some wire article that looks
'dodgy'
Jul 03 12:13:19 some times you have to read them carefullly...
Jul 03 12:13:45 i tend to look suspiciously any thing to do with
palestina and especially with israel...
Jul 03 12:16:11 ekes if you haven't got to this posting yet, go to:
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/07/273551.html
Jul 03 12:16:52 Yep
Jul 03 12:17:04 thats abot the Neturi karta who are a sound bunch
Jul 03 12:17:07 i suggest we hide it
Jul 03 12:17:27 we can unhide it later if you don't agree with it,
shall we?
Jul 03 12:17:38 we just need to hide something :)
Jul 03 12:17:40 ok?
Jul 03 12:18:00 For the purposes of demonstration... lets keep going
I can't find any discussion of whether my posting was in fact deserving of being hidden, as it partially has been.
Just " i tend to look suspiciously any thing to do with palestina and especially with israel..." and
"we just need to hide something :) "
While of course people have to be shown how to do things, is it possible the teacher just forgot to reinstate the posting, or to evaluate it properly to see if he/she should ?
Or did the pupil practice further on it, with little skill, leaving it unintentionally in a strange state, half hidden, half showing ?
Of course you have absolute right to hide whatever you wish, but it would be nice if a bit more attention was paid to content than seems to have happened here.
The only attention seems to have been
Jul 03 12:17:04 thats abot the Neturi karta who are a sound bunch
Jul 03 12:17:07 i suggest we hide it
Jul 03 12:17:27 we can unhide it later if you don't agree with it,
which seems to have misunderstood. I was in fact praising every aspect of Neturi karta's announcement except for its call for the total dismantling of Israel, which surely no reasonable person would support ?
Normally I would think it quite wrong to try to argue with any of your editorial decisions, but is it possible that what happened here is that my article was almost randomly selected for a tutorial exercise, which was then accidentally not followed through ?
freddie
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-features/2003-July/004124.html
for an example of what seems to me an irresponsible training exercise which eliminated a posting of mine without any proper consideration.
I didn't really want to post to the newswire with a complaint, so I just added a comment to the posting in question, in the hope of getting a response. None has been forthcoming, so I am now hoping this full posting will elicit a response.
My posting was not hidden entirely. Just the summary remains, with the actual posting erased.
You can have a look at
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/07/273551.html
I can't tell you what I actually said because the link to read deleted postings, as given on
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/static/editorial.html
appears to have been broken since this incident.
Here are the details :
I was puzzled that my posting has been radically curtailed, with the summary showing, but with the posting itself disappeared (hidden ?).
To investigate, I first clicked to view hidden postings. The link seems to be broken.
I then looked in the features list, and found this:
Jul 03 12:13:08 ok let's try and find some wire article that looks
'dodgy'
Jul 03 12:13:19 some times you have to read them carefullly...
Jul 03 12:13:45 i tend to look suspiciously any thing to do with
palestina and especially with israel...
Jul 03 12:16:11 ekes if you haven't got to this posting yet, go to:
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/07/273551.html
Jul 03 12:16:52 Yep
Jul 03 12:17:04 thats abot the Neturi karta who are a sound bunch
Jul 03 12:17:07 i suggest we hide it
Jul 03 12:17:27 we can unhide it later if you don't agree with it,
shall we?
Jul 03 12:17:38 we just need to hide something :)
Jul 03 12:17:40 ok?
Jul 03 12:18:00 For the purposes of demonstration... lets keep going
I can't find any discussion of whether my posting was in fact deserving of being hidden, as it partially has been.
Just " i tend to look suspiciously any thing to do with palestina and especially with israel..." and
"we just need to hide something :) "
While of course people have to be shown how to do things, is it possible the teacher just forgot to reinstate the posting, or to evaluate it properly to see if he/she should ?
Or did the pupil practice further on it, with little skill, leaving it unintentionally in a strange state, half hidden, half showing ?
Of course you have absolute right to hide whatever you wish, but it would be nice if a bit more attention was paid to content than seems to have happened here.
The only attention seems to have been
Jul 03 12:17:04 thats abot the Neturi karta who are a sound bunch
Jul 03 12:17:07 i suggest we hide it
Jul 03 12:17:27 we can unhide it later if you don't agree with it,
which seems to have misunderstood. I was in fact praising every aspect of Neturi karta's announcement except for its call for the total dismantling of Israel, which surely no reasonable person would support ?
Normally I would think it quite wrong to try to argue with any of your editorial decisions, but is it possible that what happened here is that my article was almost randomly selected for a tutorial exercise, which was then accidentally not followed through ?
freddie
freddie
Comments
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Oh come on Freddie
07.07.2003 23:32
Occasionly it sticks
probably th4e best idea is not to give yourself a too readily available idea
It's irregular sometimes - just let it go
dh
can't repost it.......
08.07.2003 00:17
Even hidden articles are supposed to be viewable, but can't get at it because this facility is broken.
Anyway, I wouldn't post it again after it was hidden. Not my place.
To be honest, the half-hiding is worse than total. - gives impression of my bigotry.
I guess the loss of that particular posting doesn't matter now. Just gave me a rather disturbing insight into the way things are done, and a certain trivial attitude to our efforts.
Even a one-word "sorry" would reassure me that those in power actually cared that hiding decisions were made only after at least some consideration.
Surely, in this game, what you censor defines who you are.
And the Israeli/palestine conflict, where control of information and the conventional media is central to the strategy of at least one side, extra care should surely be taken ?
freddie
could just be glitches
08.07.2003 01:12
I dont know anything about it and am just speculating but it would be a plausable explanation.
Mayler
Re post it
08.07.2003 11:36
anybody
fuck up
08.07.2003 13:27
anyhows it was a mistake and yes an apology is in order. If that had happened to me i'd be annoyed and too would question the motivations of UK IMC volunteers...but this was a genuine human error.
I'd like to add that I wasn't involved in this training exercise but just happened to be in the UK IRC #UK channel when this happened...as far as i know the intention was just to temporarily hide this article for training purposes - it should have been unhidden but was not. The transcript of the IRC chat was posted to UK features list to enable others to see how to hide articles.
I hope that clears things up for you Freddie and i do hope that you won't be put of using UK IMC as a result. Mistakes like this shouldn't happen - human error... and thanks for taking the time to point this out.
ian
e-mail: ian@videonetwork.org
Sorry! But...
08.07.2003 14:48
The log shows it went for about 25 minutes:-
03.07.2003 13:28 ekes hide
03.07.2003 13:53 ekes show
However and I am sorry for this for some reason the text of the article disappeared.
The comments were left intact.
I have followed up why this happened in imc-uk-tech as well as imc-uk-features.
ekes
Apology gracefully accepted.....
09.07.2003 18:03
freddie