One death is a tragedy, but a million deaths are a statistic - J. Stalin

www.wwviews.com | 14.06.2003 06:56

The Holocaust is considered a 'tragedy', so would the deaths of thousands of innocent Iraqis be considered a tragedy or merely a statistic?

"One death is a tragedy, but a million deaths are a statistic" - Joseph Stalin

That says it all really doesn't it? The sheer reality of the human condition to be able to turn one death into a tragedy and a million deaths into a statistic.... so the question must be asked... The Holocaust. Tragedy? Or statistic? American History books would have you believe it was the single most horrific tragedy ever to occur in the history of the world.

So by the same token, would not the deaths of the ten thousand innocent Iraqi civilians be considered a tragedy as well? Or will they be written down as a statistic, because after all history is written by the victors. And as we all know, the victor in this Iraq "Liberation" war were the Americans. Only time will tell.

"At least 5,000 civilians may have been killed during the invasion of Iraq,
an independent research group has claimed. As more evidence
is collated, it says, the figure could reach 10,000.

Iraq Body Count (IBC), a volunteer group of British and US academics and
researchers, compiled statistics on civilian casualties from media
reports and estimated that between 5,000
and 7,000 civilians died in the conflict."

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Hitlers holocaust against the Palestinians

14.06.2003 08:50

If you are bringing Stalin into it, have an extract from a comment in indycymru:

.. Building the nuclear facilities has very little to do with the causes of starvation, unless Kim is copying Stalin who killed millions by seizing their grain and sold it at depression prices to hire the foreign engineers and build the factories that made the T34s that won the battle of Kursk and stopped Hitlers thrust for oil. Those Ukrainians, from the Makhnovist area, were the shocktroops who won the battle of Kursk by starving to death in the eary 1930s, though not voluntarily. They were all conscripts.

Blair and Bush are just like Hitler, they have sold out to big business. To stop them, unarmed people will have to die in their hundreds of millions, if armed in their millions. There was no morality that could stop the war in Iraq. There is no morality that can stop the International Corporations drive to build their world fascism.

Ilyan
Homepage: http://www.indycymru.org.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=221&mode=&order=0

The difference...

14.06.2003 11:11

...between the holocaust and the iraq war (apart from the difference in numbers) is that whilst Hitler killed Jews (and Gypsies and gays and disabled people) out of sheer hatred, the US (and UK) killed Iraqis out of cold indifference. It's not that they wanted them dead - more like they didn't give a shit either way and those people were in the way. They say the deaths were an accident - well up to a point they were, but they knew full well that lots of their bombs would miss their targets and land on people's houses instead, which wasn't the intention but they knew full well that it would happen and they didn't really take steps to avoid it.

This thread makes me angry!

14.06.2003 12:03

What about all hundreds of thousands of people murdered and tortured under Saddam's brutal regime! Didn't their death and suffering justify the war? Saddam was a burtal inhuman butcher, now thanks to the allies he is gone and can no longer oppress his people!

US marine

The same goes for the warmongers

14.06.2003 16:44

Brutal inhuman butchers equally aptly describes the Bush and Blair regimes, as well as other similar Western regimes, and the marines and other military personnel who paticipated willingly and with full accountability,who are tasked by their literally inhuman and hidden masters,in creating a Saddamesque global regime whatever the cost in human life and misery. You will note, soldier, that Saddam was spirited away like Osama before him.
Don't be a mug all your life.

bleh

14.06.2003 17:20

> The Holocaust. Tragedy? Or statistic?
Tragedy. Crime. What a stupid question.

> American History books would have you believe it was the single most horrific tragedy ever to occur in the history of the world.

Not just American. History books from practically every nation, barring those in the Arab world, correctly describe the Holocaust as the single most horrific tragedy ever to occur in the history of the world.

dh... u're an idiot, that's all i can say about u. those 'literally inhuman' people u speak of have provided u with your security since the day u were born, and your parents security before that. sometimes i wish they hadn't bothered, so u would be forced to live under either the Nazis or the Russians, with no democracy and no freedom. u haven't the foggiest idea what a brutal inhuman regime looks like. go back to school and get an education, jerk.

Perhaps J

14.06.2003 19:38

..you took on too many of the narrow perceptions your education laid on you, and have done too little to educate yourself about the way things really are
I'd hate to describe anybody as a brainwashed dupe.

who was butchered?

15.06.2003 00:25

U mean the graves of the iraqis brave enough to stand up to saddam (after gulf invasion 1) in the belief that daddy bush was going to back them up before a change of heart/back stabbing? those iraqis?

oi!

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15.06.2003 09:36

> U mean the graves of the iraqis brave enough to stand up to saddam
Yes. Some of the many mass-graves in Iraq belong to the brave Iraqis who stood up to Saddam.

> after gulf invasion 1
Yes. u remember dont u? it was the one that liberated Kuwait from Saddam's brutal regime, after he had unilaterally invaded it.

zzzz

15.06.2003 09:39

Holocaust is one of many horrific events

15.06.2003 17:49

The Nazi Holocaust was a black period in mankind's history, a really horrible event which resulted in the murder of 10 million people, including Jews, homosexuals, gypsies, and political critics.

However, there have been other such events in recent history, take, for example, the Armenian Genocide, a very little known event in World War 1 where 1.5 people were massacred at the hands of the Turkish goverment. Or the Vietnam War, carried out by the good old US of A, where unexploded ordiance and Agent Orange still affects the Vietmamese to this day. Or the 1994 Rwandan genocide, where ethinc Tutsis where killed in their thousands in a matter of days.

I could go on...

Thomas J